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Most immediate impact

Of the main changes a club can make (players, managers, Chief Exec, Owners) Which of these changes would make the most immediate impact on our football performances, results, finishing position and why?

Try and rate them 1 being most, 4 being least.

posted on 7/2/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
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Not ignore but apply some perspective.

No exec is perfect Woodward may have paid over the odds on some deals, but money isnt exactly a huge issue for us. It could be a lot worse
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I don't know why you think that is the only thing he has gotten wrong. United wouldn't be in the position they are right now if that was the case
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We are where we are primarily because the majority of our signings over the last 7 years havent been good enough, and that this has coincided with Liverpool and City peaking and prem.clubs never being richer.

That's down to the managers
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Who has appointed all those managers?
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What alternatives did he have?
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He could have appointed managers with similar philosophies, so the squad would be decently kitted out between each new manager. Not jarringly different who then fill it with their players who are not what the next boss wants.

Basically have a brief on how we want the team to play and hire to fit, not seemingly random picks.
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Similar to Moyes, LVG, Jose's?

And who are all these managers and when were they available?

Its no good just saying stuff. Think it through first kid.
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Jesus. Like talking to an AI computer stuck in a loop. A really, really stupid AI. In any business, those at the top set out a vision, then they hire, or train people to deliver that vision. Football is no different. What Ed needed to do was look at the club’s core values and translate that to a vision (this had been done for him by saf and Gill).

He failed. His scattergun approach was never going to work. It’s the equivalent of having del trotter as your ceo, deciding on what vision to take depending on what he can buy from monkey Harris that week.

Hope this explains it. Don’t know why I bother, you’ve been told by EVERYONE on here this before, but cannot grasp the simplest of things.
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Woodward has said the club wants attacking football with a mix of youth players and world class signings

SAG and Gill decided on Moyes. After that Wooodward was just having to go with the best available when needed.

Who would you have appointed instead of LVG and Jose?
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If that was true, what’s he been doing for the last 8 years? He’s completely failed to deliver that, and the buck stops with him.

posted on 7/2/20

What are the cons of having a director of football? I genuinely cant think of any really.

Some managers may not like working with one? That's about all I can think of. Is there anything else?

posted on 7/2/20

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
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What are the cons of having a director of football? I genuinely cant think of any really.

Some managers may not like working with one? That's about all I can think of. Is there anything else?
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Some of them aren't very good, which isnt a problem with the role itself but just with certain individuals

posted on 7/2/20

comment by Christopher (U20930)
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comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
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What are the cons of having a director of football? I genuinely cant think of any really.

Some managers may not like working with one? That's about all I can think of. Is there anything else?
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Some of them aren't very good, which isnt a problem with the role itself but just with certain individuals
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Yeah I guess. I did think of that but that's like anything. I guess I just mean in theory.

I was reading a piece about how the ones at top clubs differ. So Juves is there purely to schmooz agent apparently - they get loads of players on frees.

City's is apparently to provide a 'holistic approach of continuity' (their words!) and they rarely, if ever, make a bad signing now and all of them seem to slot in perfectly.

It used to be that it was accepted 50% of transfers don't work out but I think clubs like City, Liverpool, Bayern and Juve have shown that's not the case. There's always exceptions to the rule but top clubs can ill afford it now.

posted on 7/2/20

I should add the top ones have all been in the game. Edwards for us was a footballer himself and as in recruitment being sector savvy is very important as is being liked.

Utd have a couple of guys with Economics degrees from Bristol University.

posted on 7/2/20

comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
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comment by Busby (U19985)
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"3) Have Poch recommend a DoF"

Since when do employees recommend their own boss?
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The football industry isn’t like an office workplace

It’s not quite as hierarchical as that - we need a good DoF and if Poch is a guy we want to hire and he has worked with Mitchell before then we should listen to his recommendation.

A successful club is one where everyone is working to a clear goal rather than seeing everyone as a superior and not wanting them to collaborate in the process
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You’ve got it backwards though robb, it should be getting a dof in place, who then decides on how he would like to shape things and hires a manager who fits his vision.

posted on 7/2/20

comment by Tiddles (U17634)
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comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
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comment by Busby (U19985)
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"3) Have Poch recommend a DoF"

Since when do employees recommend their own boss?
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The football industry isn’t like an office workplace

It’s not quite as hierarchical as that - we need a good DoF and if Poch is a guy we want to hire and he has worked with Mitchell before then we should listen to his recommendation.

A successful club is one where everyone is working to a clear goal rather than seeing everyone as a superior and not wanting them to collaborate in the process
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You’ve got it backwards though robb, it should be getting a dof in place, who then decides on how he would like to shape things and hires a manager who fits his vision.
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You all seem to be forgetting that Poch pushed for control of transfers at Spurs, and didn't want to work under a DoF.

posted on 7/2/20

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
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I should add the top ones have all been in the game. Edwards for us was a footballer himself and as in recruitment being sector savvy is very important as is being liked.

Utd have a couple of guys with Economics degrees from Bristol University.
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Manager, coach, scouts. Surely that's enough opinion?

posted on 7/2/20

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
Name one con
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They might not be any good
They might move on
They might not get on with the coach

posted on 7/2/20

comment by Tiddles (U17634)
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comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
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comment by Busby (U19985)
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"3) Have Poch recommend a DoF"

Since when do employees recommend their own boss?
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The football industry isn’t like an office workplace

It’s not quite as hierarchical as that - we need a good DoF and if Poch is a guy we want to hire and he has worked with Mitchell before then we should listen to his recommendation.

A successful club is one where everyone is working to a clear goal rather than seeing everyone as a superior and not wanting them to collaborate in the process
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You’ve got it backwards though robb, it should be getting a dof in place, who then decides on how he would like to shape things and hires a manager who fits his vision.
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It kind of depends, as there are certain coaches that a club will make certain allowances for and fit the other pieces around that. Pep after Barca is an obvious example of that.

United’s issue, regardless of coach and dof, is the ownership and the ceo that have no clear strategy to be successful on the pitch.

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