makes no difference whatsoever.

getting a new manager in wont make a massive difference as the squad is too depleted.
getting rid of the owners or Ed at the minute wont make a difference as its not like we can into the market.

if we are gonna make top 4 we have to do it with what we have.

Manager of course.

1. Manager
2. Players
3. Chief Exec & Owners (essentially the same entity)

What a cheif exec and owners do to reshape takes time, a manager can make a difference with one trainign session or a new player can make a big difference to a team if they're the right player.

Short term - Manager and/or the right signings (look at Cantona).

Mid to long term - Chief Exec & Owners

Yes a change of manager would certainly have the most immediate short term impact. Long term the structure of the club has to change to get to where we all want to be which takes time. If we get somebody like Poch and he gets us CL football, great. Where do we build from there? If we still have the same recruitment problems there is only so far we can go. I don't know about anyone else but I don't want to be hoping from manager to manager that simply grinds the best he can out of squads with some talent but glaring limitations.

So yes more immediately a change of manager could help the club, but long term we will struggle without proper recruitment and a structure to build a team around. I have said this many time before that I believe Ole has the right idea of how to play but perhaps doesn't have they ability to implement it (as of yet). If we get the right players to play this high press mixed with counter attack play (under Ole) and then a manager to take them forward then Ole's time here will have been a success.

Mumbai, it's a bit of a weird one at united, like you'd think a strong manager could come in and reshape things, but LVG and Jose both very strong characters and they seemed to struggle to make any real difference in how the club operates.

I guess it's more about building the right team of people to work together, that's what happened at Liverpool, took a few years but now you can see how well it's all working.

Manager - Needs to happen yesterday.
New Ed - Needed before the summer.
Players - Can't buy until the summer.
Owners - Not going to happen.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 22 minutes ago
Manager of course.

1. Manager
2. Players
3. Chief Exec & Owners (essentially the same entity)
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But in terms of getting it right long term, the order is reversed. And that’s been our problem.

Immediate impact.
A striker as good as RVP.

If we signed a goalkeeper measuring 24ft x 8ft then that player would make an immediate difference however it wouldn't solve the long term problem of conceding chances.

Change has to come from the top for long term effect but short term changes also need to be made to help us along the way. As MU52 said a proper top class centre forward could hide a lot of our sins for now but wouldn't be sustainable in the long term.

Immediate impact for United IMO is manager, players then management.

However, most desirable to United fans should be management, manager, players.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
Immediate impact.
A striker as good as RVP.
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RVP a great example of the right player making a huge difference immediatley, VVD for us another.

If we signed a goalkeeper measuring 24ft x 8ft


play Luke Shaw in goal maybe?

The best immediate impact for us imo would be

1) Telling Poch he has the job whatever happens in the summer
2) Have him and our transfer team work together to identify targets and get them bought before the Euros
3) Have Poch recommend a DoF (ideally Paul Mitchell who he’s worked with before but has gone to Leipzig)

Not a guarantee of success but IMO our best bet to improve things in the next 6-12 months

I mean that sentence to read - he gets the job in the summer whatever happens regarding Ole and what he does this season

comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 22 minutes ago
Manager of course.

1. Manager
2. Players
3. Chief Exec & Owners (essentially the same entity)
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But in terms of getting it right long term, the order is reversed. And that’s been our problem.
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Exactly

"3) Have Poch recommend a DoF"

Since when do employees recommend their own boss?

comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 29 minutes ago
The best immediate impact for us imo would be

1) Telling Poch he has the job whatever happens in the summer
2) Have him and our transfer team work together to identify targets and get them bought before the Euros
3) Have Poch recommend a DoF (ideally Paul Mitchell who he’s worked with before but has gone to Leipzig)

Not a guarantee of success but IMO our best bet to improve things in the next 6-12 months
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so ship out a manager who has not been given a chance ( despite what you say, 1 summer transfer window and a squad full of shiiiiite is not long enough to impliment a style, especially if the players at your disposal arent the right players) for another manager who may not again have the same style and who may have to start from scratch AGAIN?

im not saying ole will get it right, but feck me, give him a chance at least.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
"3) Have Poch recommend a DoF"

Since when do employees recommend their own boss?
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The football industry isn’t like an office workplace

It’s not quite as hierarchical as that - we need a good DoF and if Poch is a guy we want to hire and he has worked with Mitchell before then we should listen to his recommendation.

A successful club is one where everyone is working to a clear goal rather than seeing everyone as a superior and not wanting them to collaborate in the process

comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 29 minutes ago
The best immediate impact for us imo would be

1) Telling Poch he has the job whatever happens in the summer
2) Have him and our transfer team work together to identify targets and get them bought before the Euros
3) Have Poch recommend a DoF (ideally Paul Mitchell who he’s worked with before but has gone to Leipzig)

Not a guarantee of success but IMO our best bet to improve things in the next 6-12 months
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so ship out a manager who has not been given a chance ( despite what you say, 1 summer transfer window and a squad full of shiiiiite is not long enough to impliment a style, especially if the players at your disposal arent the right players) for another manager who may not again have the same style and who may have to start from scratch AGAIN?

im not saying ole will get it right, but feck me, give him a chance at least.
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Many managers can implement a style a lot quicker than Ole is seemingly doing

Poch had his players playing a pressing style as soon as he took over Espanyol.

Klopp implemented the seeds for the style of play fairly immediately at Liverpool

Ole hasn’t done anything of the sort and was always a huge risk with him having zero pedigree and we’re seeing just what happens when you give a nobody a role at United. Our worst season in decades and we have deluded fans like yourself who think time is the best cure.

Some managers don’t deserve time. Poch is a better manager by far and he’s available. It would be a monumentality stupid move by our club to just listen to well meaning but naive fans like yourself and let him keep digging

are utd a better team now then went ole first took over? if not im not sure how you could be happy to keep him

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
Immediate impact.
A striker as good as RVP.
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RVP a great example of the right player making a huge difference immediatley, VVD for us another.
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Technically RVP didn’t make a huge difference when you consider we were on the same level the season before.

Not the same as VVD elevating Liverpool’s defence, and the team, as soon as he came in.

comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 29 minutes ago
The best immediate impact for us imo would be

1) Telling Poch he has the job whatever happens in the summer
2) Have him and our transfer team work together to identify targets and get them bought before the Euros
3) Have Poch recommend a DoF (ideally Paul Mitchell who he’s worked with before but has gone to Leipzig)

Not a guarantee of success but IMO our best bet to improve things in the next 6-12 months
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so ship out a manager who has not been given a chance ( despite what you say, 1 summer transfer window and a squad full of shiiiiite is not long enough to impliment a style, especially if the players at your disposal arent the right players) for another manager who may not again have the same style and who may have to start from scratch AGAIN?

im not saying ole will get it right, but feck me, give him a chance at least.
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Many managers can implement a style a lot quicker than Ole is seemingly doing

Poch had his players playing a pressing style as soon as he took over Espanyol.

Klopp implemented the seeds for the style of play fairly immediately at Liverpool

Ole hasn’t done anything of the sort and was always a huge risk with him having zero pedigree and we’re seeing just what happens when you give a nobody a role at United. Our worst season in decades and we have deluded fans like yourself who think time is the best cure.

Some managers don’t deserve time. Poch is a better manager by far and he’s available. It would be a monumentality stupid move by our club to just listen to well meaning but naive fans like yourself and let him keep digging
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the same poch who had spurs near the foot of the table before they sacked him?

the same poch who has never won a trophy?

poch walking in now would hardly make any difference at all, the squad is too depleted.

there is a difference between being naive and seeing past the end of your nose.

comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 29 minutes ago
The best immediate impact for us imo would be

1) Telling Poch he has the job whatever happens in the summer
2) Have him and our transfer team work together to identify targets and get them bought before the Euros
3) Have Poch recommend a DoF (ideally Paul Mitchell who he’s worked with before but has gone to Leipzig)

Not a guarantee of success but IMO our best bet to improve things in the next 6-12 months
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so ship out a manager who has not been given a chance ( despite what you say, 1 summer transfer window and a squad full of shiiiiite is not long enough to impliment a style, especially if the players at your disposal arent the right players) for another manager who may not again have the same style and who may have to start from scratch AGAIN?

im not saying ole will get it right, but feck me, give him a chance at least.
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Many managers can implement a style a lot quicker than Ole is seemingly doing

Poch had his players playing a pressing style as soon as he took over Espanyol.

Klopp implemented the seeds for the style of play fairly immediately at Liverpool

Ole hasn’t done anything of the sort and was always a huge risk with him having zero pedigree and we’re seeing just what happens when you give a nobody a role at United. Our worst season in decades and we have deluded fans like yourself who think time is the best cure.

Some managers don’t deserve time. Poch is a better manager by far and he’s available. It would be a monumentality stupid move by our club to just listen to well meaning but naive fans like yourself and let him keep digging
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the same poch who had spurs near the foot of the table before they sacked him?

the same poch who has never won a trophy?

poch walking in now would hardly make any difference at all, the squad is too depleted.

there is a difference between being naive and seeing past the end of your nose.




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Yes, that Poch

comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
Immediate impact.
A striker as good as RVP.
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RVP a great example of the right player making a huge difference immediatley, VVD for us another.
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Technically RVP didn’t make a huge difference when you consider we were on the same level the season before.

Not the same as VVD elevating Liverpool’s defence, and the team, as soon as he came in.
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Disagree, RVP was the difference in us winning the title. He was worth 20 points alone