…before people start acting?
‘Climate change: IPCC scientists say it's 'now or never' to limit warming’
‘A key UN body says in a report that there must be "rapid, deep and immediate" cuts in carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.
Global emissions of CO2 would need to peak within three years to stave off the worst impacts.’
‘Even if all the policies to cut carbon that governments had put in place by the end of 2020 were fully implemented, the world will still warm by 3.2C this century.
… That sort of temperature rise would see our planet hit by "unprecedented heatwaves, terrifying storms, and widespread water shortages".’
‘To stay under 1.5C, according to the IPCC, means that carbon emissions from everything that we do, buy, use or eat must peak by 2025, and tumble rapidly after that, reaching net-zero by the middle of this century.
To put it in context, the amount of CO2 that the world has emitted in the last decade is the same amount that's left to us to stay under this key temperature threshold.’
‘The next few years are critical, say the researchers, because if emissions aren't curbed by 2030, it will make it nigh on impossible to limit warming later this century.’
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60984663
How dire do the warnings have to get…
posted on 5/4/22
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 5 minutes ago
‘A key UN body says in a report that there must be "rapid, deep and immediate" cuts in carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.
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Many have been told this since the 70's.
The song remains the same.
The man on the news says that the problem is me.
Ever get the feeling that you've been 'had'?
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So, Tux, how does it work?
Is it all a giant, planet-wide conspiracy like with the vaccine(s)?
Are all the scientists a part of these conspiracies, or have they just been fooled by people smarter than them but not quite as smart as you?
Is all the evidence presented phoney?
Are the hundreds if not thousands of then-and-now photos demonstrating vanishing glaciers all doctored?
How does it work? You woken up to some reality that was hidden from you in plain sight since you were a kid? Were you stupid and suddenly became smart, or did a tree fall on your head?
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You obviously don't understand what you replied to.
Trying to be 'cleffer' is never a good stance when you don't understand what is written.
posted on 5/4/22
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 5 minutes ago
‘A key UN body says in a report that there must be "rapid, deep and immediate" cuts in carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.
-----------------------------------------------------
Many have been told this since the 70's.
The song remains the same.
The man on the news says that the problem is me.
Ever get the feeling that you've been 'had'?
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So, Tux, how does it work?
Is it all a giant, planet-wide conspiracy like with the vaccine(s)?
Are all the scientists a part of these conspiracies, or have they just been fooled by people smarter than them but not quite as smart as you?
Is all the evidence presented phoney?
Are the hundreds if not thousands of then-and-now photos demonstrating vanishing glaciers all doctored?
How does it work? You woken up to some reality that was hidden from you in plain sight since you were a kid? Were you stupid and suddenly became smart, or did a tree fall on your head?
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You obviously don't understand what you replied to.
Trying to be 'cleffer' is never a good stance when you don't understand what is written.
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Try not to type gobbledegook then.
posted on 5/4/22
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 5 minutes ago
‘A key UN body says in a report that there must be "rapid, deep and immediate" cuts in carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.
-----------------------------------------------------
Many have been told this since the 70's.
The song remains the same.
The man on the news says that the problem is me.
Ever get the feeling that you've been 'had'?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So, Tux, how does it work?
Is it all a giant, planet-wide conspiracy like with the vaccine(s)?
Are all the scientists a part of these conspiracies, or have they just been fooled by people smarter than them but not quite as smart as you?
Is all the evidence presented phoney?
Are the hundreds if not thousands of then-and-now photos demonstrating vanishing glaciers all doctored?
How does it work? You woken up to some reality that was hidden from you in plain sight since you were a kid? Were you stupid and suddenly became smart, or did a tree fall on your head?
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You obviously don't understand what you replied to.
Trying to be 'cleffer' is never a good stance when you don't understand what is written.
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Try not to type gobbledegook then.
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''Many have been told this since the 70's'', my first sentence and the one that should absolutely have struck a chord.
The rest was relevant to the conversation..........................to anyone that understood the above.
Hopefully that helps
posted on 5/4/22
Right, so let me try again then...you're not denying the problem, just saying the system's been rigged to make Joe Public think it's his fault while corporations and governments make a killing without actually doing anything (or anywhere remotely near enough) to solve the problem?
If that's your position, then I don't disagree.
That said, it's also been up to us all along to vote for stronger governance rather than lower taxes. If we've been equally greedy, then as a society it's been as much our fault as it has been our leaders'.
posted on 5/4/22
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
Right, so let me try again then...you're not denying the problem, just saying the system's been rigged to make Joe Public think it's his fault while corporations and governments make a killing without actually doing anything (or anywhere remotely near enough) to solve the problem?
If that's your position, then I don't disagree.
That said, it's also been up to us all along to vote for stronger governance rather than lower taxes. If we've been equally greedy, then as a society it's been as much our fault as it has been our leaders'.
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Firstly, thankyou for finally talking rather than mocking
Secondly, i recently turned 54 but stopped voting in my mid-20's when i realised that ultimately it's irrelevant. Red/Blue are two sides of the same coin so there is no ''stronger governance'' available however much we wished there were.
We are all being pushed in one direction whether we like it or not. And sadly it isn't one one that benefits us, the people.
Strong governance will never ever come to the rescue bud. That 'aint the game.
posted on 5/4/22
Ok, I'm sorry I misunderstood your opening post.
I get where you're coming from, but those aren't the only options in my eyes. I live in a country that generally requires coalition governments, so I can cast a vote for a fringe party in the hope that they will be able to sway some policies towards the changes I'd like to see made.
But even in the UK, there's been ample evidence in recent years of severe cracks in the traditional two-party system. Political change is painfully slow, but not entirely impossible. And it also makes sense that a lot of people are reluctant to change, because there's probably never been an era quite like the second half of the 20th century in terms of the material comforts large swathes of the population have enjoyed.
posted on 5/4/22
The average joe wanting lower taxes isn't greed. Its wanting to have some semblance of a life. Should corps be paying more? Absolutley.
From a British perspective would there be much change climate policy wise from tory to Labour?
I don't think so. There's only so much than can be done. And that's not praise of the tory Party at all.
posted on 5/4/22
Call it greed, or call it short-sightedness, we've only got ourselves to blame for largely dismantling the welfare system.
You say there's only so much that can be done, but think for a moment of the impact all those voters who stayed home might've had if they'd been voting Green for the past 40 or 50 years. Think of the impact they might've had if Labour had truly been forced into seeking climate solutions, of the synergies that Green parties across Europe might've created if all the environmentally-conscious voters had come together in the 80s or 90s, when Germany's Greens were the only environmental-political force amongst Europe's largest democracies, of what might have been done if Europe's massive research potential had been harnessed to find solutions yesterday to today's problems.
posted on 6/4/22
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 57 seconds ago
Ok, I'm sorry I misunderstood your opening post.
I get where you're coming from, but those aren't the only options in my eyes. I live in a country that generally requires coalition governments, so I can cast a vote for a fringe party in the hope that they will be able to sway some policies towards the changes I'd like to see made.
But even in the UK, there's been ample evidence in recent years of severe cracks in the traditional two-party system. Political change is painfully slow, but not entirely impossible. And it also makes sense that a lot of people are reluctant to change, because there's probably never been an era quite like the second half of the 20th century in terms of the material comforts large swathes of the population have enjoyed.
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The 'Baby Boomers' will never understand the benefits that they've been fortunate enough to enjoy because that is all they've ever known. From a job for life, a great pension scheme and inflation of around 1500% since the early 70's boosting their assets massively they still never believe they are the luckiest generation in the history of mankind. I know this because i look after 4 of them daily. None of them worked particularly hard but have a combined wealth of around £2.5mil. (and no, i don't need their money)
The world has since got harder for many and the young today struggle massively so what's gone wrong? Fiat-currency. A deliberate fraud cast upon a unaware public. The closer to the top of the pyramid you are (our oldies) the better off you will be. Our youngsters work longer and harder yet are worse off due to a constantly devaluing currency. We need a new currency that suits us all, not just those who print it from thin-air at cost (interest).
It really is that simple.
posted on 6/4/22
I read you post something very similar the other day, but I’ll be honest with you, to me it seems anything but simple and reads like a protracted ad for cryptocurrency.
I turn 54 this year too, so we’re of the same generation. Most of my mates are worse off now than when we were just a few years into employment, but so many things have changed in our lifetimes that I’d be reluctant to pin it on a single factor.
The population boom has to be one of them. The ageing population another. In some countries at least, the seismic shift in family and and workforce structures. The throw away culture we’ve all gone for - the textile industry mentioned here is a prime example, but the same can be seen everywhere you look. Our years have seen the commodification of everything. Home appliances, electronic gadgets, cars, people...
Personally, I also think the dismemberment of the Soviet Union and the fall of the Berlin Wall removed an essential counterbalance that kept the capitalist system in check and forced it to make workers’ rights part of the equation. It basically allowed big business to reset the rules. Ever asked yourself how “free market capitalism” only deregulates to the point that is beneficial to corporations, and will re-regulate when it suits those same corporations? Remember the banking sector bailouts? Our governments erect all kinds of trade barriers, tariffs and even sanctions where suitable - but cannot demand that any imported goods be manufactured in compliance with the same or similar labour laws and rights we conquered in our own societies. It’s obviously a great thing for developing nations, but that has been merely circumstantial - the real reason all of this has happened is because it’s allowed big business to completely circumvent the restrictions workers’ rights imposed on their unfettered greed.
During all these years there have been people who understood the long game and how it would play out, but appeals to the rational brain have been drowned out by the short-circuiting of the reptilian brain in response to the 24/7 advertising of the latest iteration of happiness a box for just £2.99, £3.99, 120 convenient £300 instalments.
And we continue to fall for it, because we’re hooked - a society of junkies that need our latest fix and just sleepwalk from dopamine hit to dopamine hit, ever closer to the cliff edge. We’ve already pushed most wildlife off it, our number is bound to come up soon.