https://twitter.com/alasdairgold/status/1610403369298055169?s=46&t=7c78gmqt6g2m_wcSrVFxjw
I thank Antonio Conte for calling out these owners and Levy for what they are. Finally proving to all the doubters what we have been saying all along for years. Levy/ENIC don’t give a sh** about the club winning trophies. Conte has just openly admitted the club currently ain’t looking to achieve titles, so i ask this question.
What the fu** was the point of this “game changing “ stadium? And conveniently charging the highest ticket prices in Europe! An absolute disgrace. Taking us all for utter mugs and have been for 23 years.
Now, can people see why some of us have been on this bandwagon all these years?
We have a manager that clearly wants to win, yet isn’t given any reassurances that the club share his ambition. All the club want to do is build, build, build and Take, take, take. Literally sick of it. #LevyOut #EnicOut
Antonio Conte - home truths
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
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comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
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On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Are you forgetting the concerts, nfl games and boxing matches?
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No; but plenty of concerts and other sporting events also happen at the Etihad, Emirates and Old Trafford.
The NFL gig is obviously a big deal, but other top clubs are also raking in good money from hosting non-club related events.
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The other clubs mentioned back their managers mate and plough money onto the pitch. Ours don’t which is why we are so fed up.
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"Spurs completed the permanent signings of Richarlison, Yves Bissouma, Cristian Romero, Ivan Perisic, Clement Lenglet, Djed Spence and Fraser Forster in the summer at a combined cost of £172m"
https://www.google.com/search?q=conte+signings+spurs&oq=conte+signings+spurs&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30l2j0i390l2.2928j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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Nice try, but Lenglet was a cheapo loan when the team desperately needed a top CB and we opted for a loan instead. Spence is an unproven championship player when Conte desperately needed an established RWB. Romero was actually bought the year before, but we paid off the rest to make it permanent, so Romero doesn’t count. So, basically your argument doesn’t hold. Spurs still lag behind all the top clubs when it comes to backing managers to push on for trophies
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I didn't make an argument, merely shows money was spent
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The defence wasn’t though which was a big issue last season. A common theme amongst our chairman etc is leaving us short constantly
posted on 4/1/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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It's amazing how owners get so much stick at times like this. The bottom line is that if you get recruitment right, everything else falls into place. Liverpool are the perfect example. They were very smart in the market earlier on - Salah, Mane, Firmino for sums we can afford, they then sell Coutinho and buy VVD and Allison and from there the success brings money which feeds back into any subsequent transfers. If they'd got a few of those early signings wrong they'd be where we are now and Fenway would be getting torn apart but the financial commitment remains the same. It's all about recruitment. Get that right and everyone is happy. Owners, management, players, fans. It's the most crucial part of owning a football club and we've got that badly wrong probably for about 6 years now.
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We don’t spend anywhere near enough on quality to get the recruitment right Fridgeboy. That’s the point mate ffs. Liverpool went out and spent 150 mil on Van Dyke and Allison who both completely transformed thar defence. We went out and bought Lenglet on loan and Djed Spence. This still not getting through to you mate? Sounds like you are using every excuse under the sun at trying to deflect the blame
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My point was that the first few signings they made in Salah, Mane and Firmino were the affordable ones we could match. They already had Coutinho and reinvested that cash in VVD and Allison. Any subsequent money they spent came from success and CL qualification.
So the bottom line is that the basic framework of their expenditure was built on affordable signings and players already on their books they sold.
Maybe if we'd got the 30-40m signings right, maybe sold Alli and Kane at the right price, we'd have reinvested wisely and developed the side better.
Instead we've screwed up our 30-40m signings, let Alli leave on a free when he was worth over 100m at one stage and let Kane run his contract down after which he'll inevitably leave, either this summer for a knock down price on next year for free.
The financial commitment from the two clubs is largely similar. They've been able to spend more in recent years because they've achieved more.
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Not to mention Robertson for absolute peanuts.
posted on 4/1/23
Klopp gets backed that’s the difference mate. They go out in January and splash 85 mil on Diaz. They did exactly the same with Gapko. Yes, the recruitment is obviously important, but you need to be spending big money to sustain success which is something Spurs have never had. We have had zero success with the Levy/ENIC method.
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
Klopp gets backed that’s the difference mate. They go out in January and splash 85 mil on Diaz. They did exactly the same with Gapko. Yes, the recruitment is obviously important, but you need to be spending big money to sustain success which is something Spurs have never had. We have had zero success with the Levy/ENIC method.
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Like I said, by that point it's money earned from success and repeated long runs in the CL. How can you not grasp this?
posted on 4/1/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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Klopp gets backed that’s the difference mate. They go out in January and splash 85 mil on Diaz. They did exactly the same with Gapko. Yes, the recruitment is obviously important, but you need to be spending big money to sustain success which is something Spurs have never had. We have had zero success with the Levy/ENIC method.
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Like I said, by that point it's money earned from success and repeated long runs in the CL. How can you not grasp this?
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We don’t have success ffs that’s the point. Liverpool spend the money required which brings Success. Spurs don’t. We don’t win trophies and we don’t spend the money to win major honours and never have done. Liverpool do, big difference. Why are you being difficult on purpose just to argue?
posted on 4/1/23
Sorry mate, but you ain’t changing my mind about these owners. They are an absolute disgrace and have been mugging us off for 23 years, yet still fans like you deflect the blame. After all the evidence and Conte pretty much admitting the club are not here to win major honours at the moment and yet still you’re questioning it 🤦♂️
posted on 4/1/23
I'm not defecting blame. I'm saying that money is only part of the problem. Man United fans will testify to the fact that throwing a shiiiitload of cash at a problem doesn't work. We need a much better scouting system and recruitment policy.
I accept that when Poch had us high up in the league we should have spent more to really tighten our grip and challenge but we didn't so I get that Levy deserves a lot of criticism. My point though is that Liverpool's success wasn't built on a feck load of money - it was built on really smart recruitment and buying and selling at the right time to reinvest to then be successful.
At the tipping point when us and Liverpool were about neck and neck in the league, they bought smart and we didn't. That's the difference. Up to that point, the levels of spending were very similar. From then on in it's all about net spend. Liverpool just sold well and had success which gave them more money to spend. Fenway didn't just turn up and spend. They started with a relative cap because the success wasn't there. Then Klopp started to get it right. They reinvested everything they earned from player sales too. We'd do the same but we just haven't bought and sold players that are a) smart buys or b)sold at their most premium.
posted on 4/1/23
I'm not mad at Conte like others are at his lack of movement on a new contract. If you bring in a manager like Conte then you back him or say goodbye. He is a winner and has had a lot of recent winning success, unlike Jose when we got him. I'm not saying we're going to be able to get everything he wants but we need to try, and obviously there are gaps in the squad right now. Whether we like Conte or his style of management or not, the problems go beyond him. With a few key injuries the team gets exposed as not having the required quality.
At a time when top 4 is in the balance this is a chance to act.
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I'm not mad at Conte like others are at his lack of movement on a new contract. If you bring in a manager like Conte then you back him or say goodbye. He is a winner and has had a lot of recent winning success, unlike Jose when we got him. I'm not saying we're going to be able to get everything he wants but we need to try, and obviously there are gaps in the squad right now. Whether we like Conte or his style of management or not, the problems go beyond him. With a few key injuries the team gets exposed as not having the required quality.
At a time when top 4 is in the balance this is a chance to act.
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I have my Spurtle back finally
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I'm not mad at Conte like others are at his lack of movement on a new contract. If you bring in a manager like Conte then you back him or say goodbye. He is a winner and has had a lot of recent winning success, unlike Jose when we got him. I'm not saying we're going to be able to get everything he wants but we need to try, and obviously there are gaps in the squad right now. Whether we like Conte or his style of management or not, the problems go beyond him. With a few key injuries the team gets exposed as not having the required quality.
At a time when top 4 is in the balance this is a chance to act.
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I have my Spurtle back finally
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I never really changed my stance on Levy/Enic, Don.
I do think they have shown a little more ambition the last year or so but they need to keep showing it if they want to match that of Conte, who is the one whose the proven winner, not our owners.