I wonder how Conte judged whether he should accept Levy's job offer or not?
Surely he would have known about Pochettino's experience here?
Surely he would have done due diligence and spoken to Poch and Mourinho?
A manager of Conte's class, and he was a class act as a player too, would not walk into Levy's web with eyes closed?
Was it the money? Levy doesn't make high offers, does he?
Conte must have known the shortcomings of the current squad before he took the job.
He must know that nothing, Nada, Zilch sweet faaany adams, will happen this January?
He may as well walk out now....
except maybe there's a contract clause that keeps him here?
Welcome to 2023, Spurs fans!
All the hopeless believers, and those who don't believe ENIC will change, and never have.
We have a great New Year to look forward to.
My advice.....
watch Martinelli at the Arsenholes. ....
My advice.....
watch Martinelli at the Arsenholes.
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What are rabbiting on about now Ted …
The football team is just one division of Tottenham Hotspur inc now. Unfortunately for levy it will never be the most important.
After sacking Poch, I swore that I wouldn’t give Enic another penny of my money until they started to justify the outrageous prices they won’t to charge. I bought my kids retro shirts from eBay, and watched my local team for a tenner instead.
It’s sad what’s happened to our great club. The fans have fallen for the trap. We have to pay highest prices in Europe but cannot afford to compete with others that charge similar.
But like voting Tory really.
Jesus Christ this club needs new owners
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 22 minutes ago
The football team is just one division of Tottenham Hotspur inc now. Unfortunately for levy it will never be the most important.
After sacking Poch, I swore that I wouldn’t give Enic another penny of my money until they started to justify the outrageous prices they won’t to charge. I bought my kids retro shirts from eBay, and watched my local team for a tenner instead.
It’s sad what’s happened to our great club. The fans have fallen for the trap. We have to pay highest prices in Europe but cannot afford to compete with others that charge similar.
But like voting Tory really.
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This is my major gripe. They have no right to be charging the highest ticket prices in Europe if they have zero intention of using the money to complete and win trophies. They should be halving ticket prices affective immediately after that Conte statement. Conte basically confirming at this moment in time, there’s no ambition to win trophies. Not one Levy sympathiser can hide from this now and make excuses. It’s what I’ve been fighting for all these years. Why i was spot on. An absolute joke.
There has been no real desire from ENIC to win trophies in 22 years of their miserable tenure, that is not going to change.
They are businessmen, running a business to make profits and the football operation is just one branch of their profit making enterprise, the football club is run with a strict bottom line at all times, that kind of strategy will not deliver silverware in the current climate.
The likes of Don and I have been calling out these parasites for years, and yet unbelievably there are still ENIC fanboys and Levyista`s out there who still have unwavering support for the board, these clowns are just as much of a problem as ENIC are.
ENIC have taken the football team as far as they ever will, so need to sell up. Act like a big club or fack off.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 22 minutes ago
The football team is just one division of Tottenham Hotspur inc now. Unfortunately for levy it will never be the most important.
After sacking Poch, I swore that I wouldn’t give Enic another penny of my money until they started to justify the outrageous prices they won’t to charge. I bought my kids retro shirts from eBay, and watched my local team for a tenner instead.
It’s sad what’s happened to our great club. The fans have fallen for the trap. We have to pay highest prices in Europe but cannot afford to compete with others that charge similar.
But like voting Tory really.
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This is my major gripe. They have no right to be charging the highest ticket prices in Europe if they have zero intention of using the money to complete and win trophies. They should be halving ticket prices affective immediately after that Conte statement. Conte basically confirming at this moment in time, there’s no ambition to win trophies. Not one Levy sympathiser can hide from this now and make excuses. It’s what I’ve been fighting for all these years. Why i was spot on. An absolute joke.
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I totally agree
Levy has priced me as a firefighter and my family out of attending spurs games now. However if they could justify the highest prices in Europe with what was happening on the pitch, I might save to take my lotince a year.
Thing is Levy doesn’t care about my type when hundreds of South Koreans are spending a fortune in the club shop
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 22 minutes ago
The football team is just one division of Tottenham Hotspur inc now. Unfortunately for levy it will never be the most important.
After sacking Poch, I swore that I wouldn’t give Enic another penny of my money until they started to justify the outrageous prices they won’t to charge. I bought my kids retro shirts from eBay, and watched my local team for a tenner instead.
It’s sad what’s happened to our great club. The fans have fallen for the trap. We have to pay highest prices in Europe but cannot afford to compete with others that charge similar.
But like voting Tory really.
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This is my major gripe. They have no right to be charging the highest ticket prices in Europe if they have zero intention of using the money to complete and win trophies. They should be halving ticket prices affective immediately after that Conte statement. Conte basically confirming at this moment in time, there’s no ambition to win trophies. Not one Levy sympathiser can hide from this now and make excuses. It’s what I’ve been fighting for all these years. Why i was spot on. An absolute joke.
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I totally agree
Levy has priced me as a firefighter and my family out of attending spurs games now. However if they could justify the highest prices in Europe with what was happening on the pitch, I might save to take my lotince a year.
Thing is Levy doesn’t care about my type when hundreds of South Koreans are spending a fortune in the club shop
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That’s nothing against South Koreans by the way, I’m just highlighting that nothing will change when that stadium is full every week and levy is making a fortune
Been saying this has been coming for the past 2 years, I honestly feel for those who couldn't see it.... The emotion of supporting your team does funny things to one's ability to think rationally..... Levy & Lewis are total frauds as owners of football club..... The hiring of Conte was just the cherry on top of this shlt sundae ..... Spurs are basically DEAD as a football club
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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We will find out if the bit about matchday revenue is true soon. Levy still has not published the accounts for 21/22.
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 38 seconds ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Ours is different though Rosso because we have a deal with the NFL, hold concerts, boxing matches and Rugby.
These extra curricular activities raise around £40m a season extra revenue. We also make more money per match day than any club in world football - mostly due to exorbitant prices - I mean your not allowed to bring a bag into the ground so instead they have a cloakroom you can use - £10 for 2 hours.
Meanwhile Levy is holding out for a record stadium naming rights deal. We have official paint partners in Dulux, official Jeep partners, tyre partners, fast food delivery partners. Hence why we’re about to announce record profit.
We also have the most headroom to UEFA’s financial fair play limit - we can spend £350m in Jan with no issues.
We are the 4th richest club in the Prem and 9th in Europe.
Unfortunately we are impoverished in the once place it matters - ambition. Our owners are very happy with one league cup in 23 years and don’t want to push on.
ENIC out, Levy out
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posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 38 seconds ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Ours is different though Rosso because we have a deal with the NFL, hold concerts, boxing matches and Rugby.
These extra curricular activities raise around £40m a season extra revenue. We also make more money per match day than any club in world football - mostly due to exorbitant prices - I mean your not allowed to bring a bag into the ground so instead they have a cloakroom you can use - £10 for 2 hours.
Meanwhile Levy is holding out for a record stadium naming rights deal. We have official paint partners in Dulux, official Jeep partners, tyre partners, fast food delivery partners. Hence why we’re about to announce record profit.
We also have the most headroom to UEFA’s financial fair play limit - we can spend £350m in Jan with no issues.
We are the 4th richest club in the Prem and 9th in Europe.
Unfortunately we are impoverished in the once place it matters - ambition. Our owners are very happy with one league cup in 23 years and don’t want to push on.
ENIC out, Levy out
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But but but we can’t compete according to some. This is the bulls** Levy has somehow managed to portray that we are feeding off scraps. Called it out years ago. Spurs could easily go on a 250 mil pound spending spree without batting an eyelid. Would be in with the fair play rules, although Chelsea have proven that’s a shamble’s. Spurs choose not too spend big, that’s the difference.
People who want Conte out should know the next manager will not be as outspoken as him.
He is like us fans who want the club to succeed and not afraid to say it but even then I think he is holding back!
Saw something on Twitter yday which had some Poch quotes saying we need to act differently blah blah and then comparing Conte's quotes.
Nothing has changed in Levy's mind. He will always be happy with a top 6 finish.
Forever building foundations and in constant transition FC.
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Are you forgetting the concerts, nfl games and boxing matches?
I gave up my season ticket this season as I felt like ENIC are just taking the pissss out of us now. Highest ticket prices in the world to watch dull football with next to no chance of silverware.
The problem is there's always someone to take that ticket. Their business model is superb. To get top dollar for an average product so consistently is quite impressive.
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Are you forgetting the concerts, nfl games and boxing matches?
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No; but plenty of concerts and other sporting events also happen at the Etihad, Emirates and Old Trafford.
The NFL gig is obviously a big deal, but other top clubs are also raking in good money from hosting non-club related events.
The ticket prices are obviously painfully high; nobody can sensibly dispute that.
It’s pretty much the one thing United fans can’t really argue with the Glazers about.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Are you forgetting the concerts, nfl games and boxing matches?
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No; but plenty of concerts and other sporting events also happen at the Etihad, Emirates and Old Trafford.
The NFL gig is obviously a big deal, but other top clubs are also raking in good money from hosting non-club related events.
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The other clubs mentioned back their managers mate and plough money onto the pitch. Ours don’t which is why we are so fed up.
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 22 minutes ago
I gave up my season ticket this season as I felt like ENIC are just taking the pissss out of us now. Highest ticket prices in the world to watch dull football with next to no chance of silverware.
The problem is there's always someone to take that ticket. Their business model is superb. To get top dollar for an average product so consistently is quite impressive.
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Totally agree with this. Spurs are just a tourist attraction now. A money maker for some rich people. No trophies of note in over 30 years?!?! Is there ANY other club in the world that says it’s a big club with a poorer record?
What you're all saying about Levy/ENIC is true. However, Conte cannot avoid criticism and I'm getting fed up with his excuses.
Our current squad is not good enough to win the PL. I Totally agree.
But it is good enough to beat a second string Nottingham Forest in the EFL cup and Villa at home!
Conte just seems to be covering his tracks at the moment for when either:
a) the club sack him, or
b) he walks
If we get beat tonight then I can't see how he can continue as our manager.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Are you forgetting the concerts, nfl games and boxing matches?
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No; but plenty of concerts and other sporting events also happen at the Etihad, Emirates and Old Trafford.
The NFL gig is obviously a big deal, but other top clubs are also raking in good money from hosting non-club related events.
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The other clubs mentioned back their managers mate and plough money onto the pitch. Ours don’t which is why we are so fed up.
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Every club’s fans think that though.
I understand why people are hacked off with Levy and ENIC, by the way; I really do. I would be too.
But, from the perspective of a United fan, for example, your board of directors *often* makes *relatively* sensible decisions on player acquisitions, contracts and renewals, and at least you have an incredible (and it really is) new stadium to enjoy on matchdays.
The Glazers have spent *not a single penny* of new money on developing/redeveloping Old Trafford beyond legal requirements (new legislation on disabled access). In fifteen years. Nada. They couldn’t even commit funds to patch holes in the roof which leaked rain on fans heads. (And we’re talking about Manchester here. It rains. A lot.)
And where opposition fans will argue that at least the Glazers have ‘backed their managers’, United fans will respond that an alternative ownership which hadn’t been paying an average of £50m in refinancing costs, debt repayments and dividends out of the coffers each season would have been able to do so more effectively.
It isn’t easy for fans of other top clubs to look at what has happened at City, of course. That hasn’t helped with expectations. The green-eyed monster emerges and we all wonder why it couldn’t have been our club that won the oil lottery. Abramovic at Chelsea similarly going back a couple of decades.
In an ideal world we don’t have sugar daddy investors artificially doping clubs to ludicrous extents, and equally we don’t have greedy leeches bleeding clubs dry and neglecting the ‘sporting side’ of the business.
Spurs have been in transition for 22 years, under ENIC we have never really got to the point where you could say the squad is complete and we are ready to have a real go at challenging.
The squad is always lacking something, even when we got close under Redknapp and Poch, Levy failed to grasp the nettle and kick us on, leaving us short of one or two players that could have made the difference, preferring instead to knock one out over the latest financial figures.
ENIC`s business model is no good for the football club being successful on the pitch, but it is excellent for the balance sheet and profits. Therein lies the problem, while ENIC are making profits nothing will change.
We desperately need ENIC replaced with new owners, new ideas and a new level of ambition for the football team.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Are you forgetting the concerts, nfl games and boxing matches?
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No; but plenty of concerts and other sporting events also happen at the Etihad, Emirates and Old Trafford.
The NFL gig is obviously a big deal, but other top clubs are also raking in good money from hosting non-club related events.
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The other clubs mentioned back their managers mate and plough money onto the pitch. Ours don’t which is why we are so fed up.
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"Spurs completed the permanent signings of Richarlison, Yves Bissouma, Cristian Romero, Ivan Perisic, Clement Lenglet, Djed Spence and Fraser Forster in the summer at a combined cost of £172m"
https://www.google.com/search?q=conte+signings+spurs&oq=conte+signings+spurs&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30l2j0i390l2.2928j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Firstly, I agree there doesn't seem to be any ambition from the owners to push on and progress from where we are.
They now have the following multiple streams of revenue:
- A phenomenal stadium that brings in millions in match-day revenue
- The same stadium brings in millions in NFL partnerships
- The same stadium brings in millions in concerts and other events
- Investment properties all over North London
- Tottenham Hotspur Foundation
- Player sales
- Club shop and other avenues for merchandise sales
- South Korea
- General Tourism
- Sky & other TV revenue
- Player & Club Image Rights
- Partnerships with other companies
Now consider those MILLIONS of pounds being made in any business in the world where in spite of the fact there is no real footballing success, the money keeps coming in. Why would ENIC invest more, and furthermore, why would they sell?
I absolutely hate having them there, but from a business point of view (and playing devil's advocate), I completely understand why they aren't doing more in terms of trying to get us up the table.
They're cushty and making a fortune off their business.
If you look at any successful person/business/investment group, the idea is to have multiple streams of income to ensure financial success, and this is exactly what they're doing.
I will echo what a number of other supporters have said, the ONLY way to get rid of them is by stopping contributing to these revenue streams, however, due to the expansion of the stadium and the additional events it can now host, merchandise sales and smaller crowds, whilst it would be an inconvenient concern for ENIC, would probably be just a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things.
If I put myself in their shoes, and I was the owner of Tottenham (and I wasn't a supporter) I'd also dig my heels in and keep my business for as long as possible because having said all of the above, football is a little different
In any other area, if a product or service is failing, you look to switch. You change your phone brand, your utility supplier, your car etc the list goes on
But as supporters, we have this tribalism and commitment to one team because we're taught that you pick one and stick with it, otherwise you're not a real supporter. So therefore, the owners of the club can be the best or the worst in the world... we support the club. And that's why they can do what they want, but we will still turn up in our millions each year to support the team and voice our discontent towards the hierarchy. That's why they can keep doing what they're doing.
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Antonio Conte - home truths
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posted on 4/1/23
I wonder how Conte judged whether he should accept Levy's job offer or not?
Surely he would have known about Pochettino's experience here?
Surely he would have done due diligence and spoken to Poch and Mourinho?
A manager of Conte's class, and he was a class act as a player too, would not walk into Levy's web with eyes closed?
Was it the money? Levy doesn't make high offers, does he?
Conte must have known the shortcomings of the current squad before he took the job.
He must know that nothing, Nada, Zilch sweet faaany adams, will happen this January?
He may as well walk out now....
except maybe there's a contract clause that keeps him here?
Welcome to 2023, Spurs fans!
All the hopeless believers, and those who don't believe ENIC will change, and never have.
We have a great New Year to look forward to.
My advice.....
watch Martinelli at the Arsenholes. ....
posted on 4/1/23
My advice.....
watch Martinelli at the Arsenholes.
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What are rabbiting on about now Ted …
posted on 4/1/23
The football team is just one division of Tottenham Hotspur inc now. Unfortunately for levy it will never be the most important.
After sacking Poch, I swore that I wouldn’t give Enic another penny of my money until they started to justify the outrageous prices they won’t to charge. I bought my kids retro shirts from eBay, and watched my local team for a tenner instead.
It’s sad what’s happened to our great club. The fans have fallen for the trap. We have to pay highest prices in Europe but cannot afford to compete with others that charge similar.
But like voting Tory really.
posted on 4/1/23
Jesus Christ this club needs new owners
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 22 minutes ago
The football team is just one division of Tottenham Hotspur inc now. Unfortunately for levy it will never be the most important.
After sacking Poch, I swore that I wouldn’t give Enic another penny of my money until they started to justify the outrageous prices they won’t to charge. I bought my kids retro shirts from eBay, and watched my local team for a tenner instead.
It’s sad what’s happened to our great club. The fans have fallen for the trap. We have to pay highest prices in Europe but cannot afford to compete with others that charge similar.
But like voting Tory really.
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This is my major gripe. They have no right to be charging the highest ticket prices in Europe if they have zero intention of using the money to complete and win trophies. They should be halving ticket prices affective immediately after that Conte statement. Conte basically confirming at this moment in time, there’s no ambition to win trophies. Not one Levy sympathiser can hide from this now and make excuses. It’s what I’ve been fighting for all these years. Why i was spot on. An absolute joke.
posted on 4/1/23
There has been no real desire from ENIC to win trophies in 22 years of their miserable tenure, that is not going to change.
They are businessmen, running a business to make profits and the football operation is just one branch of their profit making enterprise, the football club is run with a strict bottom line at all times, that kind of strategy will not deliver silverware in the current climate.
The likes of Don and I have been calling out these parasites for years, and yet unbelievably there are still ENIC fanboys and Levyista`s out there who still have unwavering support for the board, these clowns are just as much of a problem as ENIC are.
ENIC have taken the football team as far as they ever will, so need to sell up. Act like a big club or fack off.
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 22 minutes ago
The football team is just one division of Tottenham Hotspur inc now. Unfortunately for levy it will never be the most important.
After sacking Poch, I swore that I wouldn’t give Enic another penny of my money until they started to justify the outrageous prices they won’t to charge. I bought my kids retro shirts from eBay, and watched my local team for a tenner instead.
It’s sad what’s happened to our great club. The fans have fallen for the trap. We have to pay highest prices in Europe but cannot afford to compete with others that charge similar.
But like voting Tory really.
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This is my major gripe. They have no right to be charging the highest ticket prices in Europe if they have zero intention of using the money to complete and win trophies. They should be halving ticket prices affective immediately after that Conte statement. Conte basically confirming at this moment in time, there’s no ambition to win trophies. Not one Levy sympathiser can hide from this now and make excuses. It’s what I’ve been fighting for all these years. Why i was spot on. An absolute joke.
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I totally agree
Levy has priced me as a firefighter and my family out of attending spurs games now. However if they could justify the highest prices in Europe with what was happening on the pitch, I might save to take my lotince a year.
Thing is Levy doesn’t care about my type when hundreds of South Koreans are spending a fortune in the club shop
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 22 minutes ago
The football team is just one division of Tottenham Hotspur inc now. Unfortunately for levy it will never be the most important.
After sacking Poch, I swore that I wouldn’t give Enic another penny of my money until they started to justify the outrageous prices they won’t to charge. I bought my kids retro shirts from eBay, and watched my local team for a tenner instead.
It’s sad what’s happened to our great club. The fans have fallen for the trap. We have to pay highest prices in Europe but cannot afford to compete with others that charge similar.
But like voting Tory really.
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This is my major gripe. They have no right to be charging the highest ticket prices in Europe if they have zero intention of using the money to complete and win trophies. They should be halving ticket prices affective immediately after that Conte statement. Conte basically confirming at this moment in time, there’s no ambition to win trophies. Not one Levy sympathiser can hide from this now and make excuses. It’s what I’ve been fighting for all these years. Why i was spot on. An absolute joke.
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I totally agree
Levy has priced me as a firefighter and my family out of attending spurs games now. However if they could justify the highest prices in Europe with what was happening on the pitch, I might save to take my lotince a year.
Thing is Levy doesn’t care about my type when hundreds of South Koreans are spending a fortune in the club shop
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That’s nothing against South Koreans by the way, I’m just highlighting that nothing will change when that stadium is full every week and levy is making a fortune
posted on 4/1/23
Been saying this has been coming for the past 2 years, I honestly feel for those who couldn't see it.... The emotion of supporting your team does funny things to one's ability to think rationally..... Levy & Lewis are total frauds as owners of football club..... The hiring of Conte was just the cherry on top of this shlt sundae ..... Spurs are basically DEAD as a football club
posted on 4/1/23
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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We will find out if the bit about matchday revenue is true soon. Levy still has not published the accounts for 21/22.
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 38 seconds ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Ours is different though Rosso because we have a deal with the NFL, hold concerts, boxing matches and Rugby.
These extra curricular activities raise around £40m a season extra revenue. We also make more money per match day than any club in world football - mostly due to exorbitant prices - I mean your not allowed to bring a bag into the ground so instead they have a cloakroom you can use - £10 for 2 hours.
Meanwhile Levy is holding out for a record stadium naming rights deal. We have official paint partners in Dulux, official Jeep partners, tyre partners, fast food delivery partners. Hence why we’re about to announce record profit.
We also have the most headroom to UEFA’s financial fair play limit - we can spend £350m in Jan with no issues.
We are the 4th richest club in the Prem and 9th in Europe.
Unfortunately we are impoverished in the once place it matters - ambition. Our owners are very happy with one league cup in 23 years and don’t want to push on.
ENIC out, Levy out
posted on 4/1/23
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posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 38 seconds ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Ours is different though Rosso because we have a deal with the NFL, hold concerts, boxing matches and Rugby.
These extra curricular activities raise around £40m a season extra revenue. We also make more money per match day than any club in world football - mostly due to exorbitant prices - I mean your not allowed to bring a bag into the ground so instead they have a cloakroom you can use - £10 for 2 hours.
Meanwhile Levy is holding out for a record stadium naming rights deal. We have official paint partners in Dulux, official Jeep partners, tyre partners, fast food delivery partners. Hence why we’re about to announce record profit.
We also have the most headroom to UEFA’s financial fair play limit - we can spend £350m in Jan with no issues.
We are the 4th richest club in the Prem and 9th in Europe.
Unfortunately we are impoverished in the once place it matters - ambition. Our owners are very happy with one league cup in 23 years and don’t want to push on.
ENIC out, Levy out
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But but but we can’t compete according to some. This is the bulls** Levy has somehow managed to portray that we are feeding off scraps. Called it out years ago. Spurs could easily go on a 250 mil pound spending spree without batting an eyelid. Would be in with the fair play rules, although Chelsea have proven that’s a shamble’s. Spurs choose not too spend big, that’s the difference.
posted on 4/1/23
People who want Conte out should know the next manager will not be as outspoken as him.
He is like us fans who want the club to succeed and not afraid to say it but even then I think he is holding back!
Saw something on Twitter yday which had some Poch quotes saying we need to act differently blah blah and then comparing Conte's quotes.
Nothing has changed in Levy's mind. He will always be happy with a top 6 finish.
Forever building foundations and in constant transition FC.
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Are you forgetting the concerts, nfl games and boxing matches?
posted on 4/1/23
I gave up my season ticket this season as I felt like ENIC are just taking the pissss out of us now. Highest ticket prices in the world to watch dull football with next to no chance of silverware.
The problem is there's always someone to take that ticket. Their business model is superb. To get top dollar for an average product so consistently is quite impressive.
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Are you forgetting the concerts, nfl games and boxing matches?
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No; but plenty of concerts and other sporting events also happen at the Etihad, Emirates and Old Trafford.
The NFL gig is obviously a big deal, but other top clubs are also raking in good money from hosting non-club related events.
posted on 4/1/23
The ticket prices are obviously painfully high; nobody can sensibly dispute that.
It’s pretty much the one thing United fans can’t really argue with the Glazers about.
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Are you forgetting the concerts, nfl games and boxing matches?
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No; but plenty of concerts and other sporting events also happen at the Etihad, Emirates and Old Trafford.
The NFL gig is obviously a big deal, but other top clubs are also raking in good money from hosting non-club related events.
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The other clubs mentioned back their managers mate and plough money onto the pitch. Ours don’t which is why we are so fed up.
posted on 4/1/23
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 22 minutes ago
I gave up my season ticket this season as I felt like ENIC are just taking the pissss out of us now. Highest ticket prices in the world to watch dull football with next to no chance of silverware.
The problem is there's always someone to take that ticket. Their business model is superb. To get top dollar for an average product so consistently is quite impressive.
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Totally agree with this. Spurs are just a tourist attraction now. A money maker for some rich people. No trophies of note in over 30 years?!?! Is there ANY other club in the world that says it’s a big club with a poorer record?
posted on 4/1/23
What you're all saying about Levy/ENIC is true. However, Conte cannot avoid criticism and I'm getting fed up with his excuses.
Our current squad is not good enough to win the PL. I Totally agree.
But it is good enough to beat a second string Nottingham Forest in the EFL cup and Villa at home!
Conte just seems to be covering his tracks at the moment for when either:
a) the club sack him, or
b) he walks
If we get beat tonight then I can't see how he can continue as our manager.
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Are you forgetting the concerts, nfl games and boxing matches?
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No; but plenty of concerts and other sporting events also happen at the Etihad, Emirates and Old Trafford.
The NFL gig is obviously a big deal, but other top clubs are also raking in good money from hosting non-club related events.
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The other clubs mentioned back their managers mate and plough money onto the pitch. Ours don’t which is why we are so fed up.
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Every club’s fans think that though.
I understand why people are hacked off with Levy and ENIC, by the way; I really do. I would be too.
But, from the perspective of a United fan, for example, your board of directors *often* makes *relatively* sensible decisions on player acquisitions, contracts and renewals, and at least you have an incredible (and it really is) new stadium to enjoy on matchdays.
The Glazers have spent *not a single penny* of new money on developing/redeveloping Old Trafford beyond legal requirements (new legislation on disabled access). In fifteen years. Nada. They couldn’t even commit funds to patch holes in the roof which leaked rain on fans heads. (And we’re talking about Manchester here. It rains. A lot.)
And where opposition fans will argue that at least the Glazers have ‘backed their managers’, United fans will respond that an alternative ownership which hadn’t been paying an average of £50m in refinancing costs, debt repayments and dividends out of the coffers each season would have been able to do so more effectively.
It isn’t easy for fans of other top clubs to look at what has happened at City, of course. That hasn’t helped with expectations. The green-eyed monster emerges and we all wonder why it couldn’t have been our club that won the oil lottery. Abramovic at Chelsea similarly going back a couple of decades.
In an ideal world we don’t have sugar daddy investors artificially doping clubs to ludicrous extents, and equally we don’t have greedy leeches bleeding clubs dry and neglecting the ‘sporting side’ of the business.
posted on 4/1/23
Spurs have been in transition for 22 years, under ENIC we have never really got to the point where you could say the squad is complete and we are ready to have a real go at challenging.
The squad is always lacking something, even when we got close under Redknapp and Poch, Levy failed to grasp the nettle and kick us on, leaving us short of one or two players that could have made the difference, preferring instead to knock one out over the latest financial figures.
ENIC`s business model is no good for the football club being successful on the pitch, but it is excellent for the balance sheet and profits. Therein lies the problem, while ENIC are making profits nothing will change.
We desperately need ENIC replaced with new owners, new ideas and a new level of ambition for the football team.
posted on 4/1/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Rosso is just another product of the culture industry (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
On the stadium and exorbitant ticket prices, matchday revenue is still less than a sixth of Spurs’ total revenue I believe, before prize money and player sales.
Top half PL clubs make their money from a) broadcasting rights, and b) commercial revenue. The stadium has made a difference, but even in the few short years since it has opened, Spurs’ broadcasting and commercial revenue will have increased by more than its matchday revenue.
Nice stadia are about club image, attracting players and coaching staff, serving fans and often necessity before chasing matchday revenue.
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Are you forgetting the concerts, nfl games and boxing matches?
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No; but plenty of concerts and other sporting events also happen at the Etihad, Emirates and Old Trafford.
The NFL gig is obviously a big deal, but other top clubs are also raking in good money from hosting non-club related events.
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The other clubs mentioned back their managers mate and plough money onto the pitch. Ours don’t which is why we are so fed up.
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"Spurs completed the permanent signings of Richarlison, Yves Bissouma, Cristian Romero, Ivan Perisic, Clement Lenglet, Djed Spence and Fraser Forster in the summer at a combined cost of £172m"
https://www.google.com/search?q=conte+signings+spurs&oq=conte+signings+spurs&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30l2j0i390l2.2928j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
posted on 4/1/23
Firstly, I agree there doesn't seem to be any ambition from the owners to push on and progress from where we are.
They now have the following multiple streams of revenue:
- A phenomenal stadium that brings in millions in match-day revenue
- The same stadium brings in millions in NFL partnerships
- The same stadium brings in millions in concerts and other events
- Investment properties all over North London
- Tottenham Hotspur Foundation
- Player sales
- Club shop and other avenues for merchandise sales
- South Korea
- General Tourism
- Sky & other TV revenue
- Player & Club Image Rights
- Partnerships with other companies
Now consider those MILLIONS of pounds being made in any business in the world where in spite of the fact there is no real footballing success, the money keeps coming in. Why would ENIC invest more, and furthermore, why would they sell?
I absolutely hate having them there, but from a business point of view (and playing devil's advocate), I completely understand why they aren't doing more in terms of trying to get us up the table.
They're cushty and making a fortune off their business.
If you look at any successful person/business/investment group, the idea is to have multiple streams of income to ensure financial success, and this is exactly what they're doing.
I will echo what a number of other supporters have said, the ONLY way to get rid of them is by stopping contributing to these revenue streams, however, due to the expansion of the stadium and the additional events it can now host, merchandise sales and smaller crowds, whilst it would be an inconvenient concern for ENIC, would probably be just a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things.
If I put myself in their shoes, and I was the owner of Tottenham (and I wasn't a supporter) I'd also dig my heels in and keep my business for as long as possible because having said all of the above, football is a little different
In any other area, if a product or service is failing, you look to switch. You change your phone brand, your utility supplier, your car etc the list goes on
But as supporters, we have this tribalism and commitment to one team because we're taught that you pick one and stick with it, otherwise you're not a real supporter. So therefore, the owners of the club can be the best or the worst in the world... we support the club. And that's why they can do what they want, but we will still turn up in our millions each year to support the team and voice our discontent towards the hierarchy. That's why they can keep doing what they're doing.
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