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'We can't play any other way'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12688061/Erik-ten-Hag-makes-stunning-confession-IMPOSSIBLE-make-Man-United-play-like-successful-Ajax-team-says-not-DNA-admits-hes-built-play-direct-football.html

So basically at Manchester United it is impossible to play any other way other than direct. So counter attacking or hoofball. Even ETH can't get us to change. So if ETH can't get us to change, what is the reason for that?

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 30/10/23

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
'We can't play any other way'
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You've put this in quotations - has he actually said that?

There's really nothing in those quotes that none of us didn't know.
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Exactly, we know he wants to play another way, he’s tried it both at the start of last season and again this season, look what happened.

This lot aren’t fit enough, dynamic enough, don’t have the ability on the ball and don’t have the work ethic to make it work.

Said it a number of times now, but his best players are the ones who make it impossible to play his way.

posted on 30/10/23

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
"Why Bruno and Rashford have just fallen through the floor form wise really needs to explained to me."

Isn't that hard to understand. Rashford has always been a form player, he's always been inconsistent.

Bruno is great if you have the players around him to allow his flamboyance and wastefulness, but the fact we have no defence or midfield this season and a lack of movement off the ball means he's largely ineffective.
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But Rashford was consistent last season and was his main man. Now fans are saying he's not trying.

Something is seriously up with this team then if the player of the year and the managers main man isn't trying.

Maybe he's as disillusioned with the club like we are given he's a fan as well as a player. Who knows.

I won't throw Rashford under the bus though when I'm struggling to name a single player who is playing well consistently for him. Nobody is. That reflects badly on nobody but the manager. If everyone else was playing great and it was just Bruno n Rashford playing poorly then there's a discussion.

Right now he's getting a tune out of nobody.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 30/10/23

Then problem is, when the chips are down, you expect your best players to lead by example. As a fan I can accept being beaten by the better team, be it Man City or Brighton.

I cannot accept a lack of effort. The reason Old Trafford booed the Hoijlund substitution yesterday was largely because he was one of few putting the work rate in.

posted on 30/10/23

It asks the question, the chicken or the egg? Did we employ players with the wrong mindsets? Or has something altered their mindsets?

posted on 30/10/23

His comments perfectly illustrate the issues higher up in the football structure.

Why would we sign a manager from Ajax who was successful playing a certain brand of high tempo, technical football to manage a squad of players who are not equipped to play such a way?

And if we wanted ETH to help transform the club from the bottom up to play that style of football, where is the joined up thinking in terms of the recruitment and player contracts?

If we wanted to bring in a manager to maximise the capabilities of the squad as it is, then surely there would have been a more suitable candidate? And if the plan is to alter the playing style then you commit to that plan, recruit accordingly and give it the proper time. Instead ETH is implementing something that he wasn't doing at Ajax, and surprise surprise, it's not working.

So we come back to the central question; what is the long-term strategy on the pitch?

posted on 30/10/23

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
His comments perfectly illustrate the issues higher up in the football structure.

Why would we sign a manager from Ajax who was successful playing a certain brand of high tempo, technical football to manage a squad of players who are not equipped to play such a way?

And if we wanted ETH to help transform the club from the bottom up to play that style of football, where is the joined up thinking in terms of the recruitment and player contracts?

If we wanted to bring in a manager to maximise the capabilities of the squad as it is, then surely there would have been a more suitable candidate? And if the plan is to alter the playing style then you commit to that plan, recruit accordingly and give it the proper time. Instead ETH is implementing something that he wasn't doing at Ajax, and surprise surprise, it's not working.

So we come back to the central question; what is the long-term strategy on the pitch?
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MONEY!

posted on 30/10/23

easy to play like Ajax in the dutch league.. some of the teams wouldn't make our 3rd division.

posted on 30/10/23

comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 6 minutes ago
easy to play like Ajax in the dutch league.. some of the teams wouldn't make our 3rd division.

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Maybe, but they did it in the CL also.

It should also be said though that ETH had a very exceptional group of players in that team, and the younger Dutch players & others who had come through the academy would have been coached from a young age to play a certain way, making ETH's job a lot easier.

But that's the power of a consistent through-trend in footballing identity; youth coaching, first team recruitment and managerial appointments - when aligned for the most part then things operate much better.

posted on 30/10/23

I think I recognise some of the names from that Ajax side that did so well in the CL.

Onana, Blind, van de Beek... It's such a shame we can't bring players of that quality to United 😔

posted on 30/10/23

comment by We Support the Glazers Money Making Scheme (U17162)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
His comments perfectly illustrate the issues higher up in the football structure.

Why would we sign a manager from Ajax who was successful playing a certain brand of high tempo, technical football to manage a squad of players who are not equipped to play such a way?

And if we wanted ETH to help transform the club from the bottom up to play that style of football, where is the joined up thinking in terms of the recruitment and player contracts?

If we wanted to bring in a manager to maximise the capabilities of the squad as it is, then surely there would have been a more suitable candidate? And if the plan is to alter the playing style then you commit to that plan, recruit accordingly and give it the proper time. Instead ETH is implementing something that he wasn't doing at Ajax, and surprise surprise, it's not working.

So we come back to the central question; what is the long-term strategy on the pitch?
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MONEY!
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Sorry but pro footballers playing in the PL should be able to adapt. I don't buy into the "we don't have the players to play that way" line.

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