How do we fix this?

comment by U12215 (U22987)
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comment by N2 (U22280)
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comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Murtough seems to be blamedmfor an awful lot, but I'm notnsure why.

What has he done badly?
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What has he done right?
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Backed the manager.
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How is letting players get ridiculous contracts helping the manager?

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Murtough seems to be blamedmfor an awful lot, but I'm notnsure why.

What has he done badly?
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What has he done right?
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Backed the manager.
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How is letting players get ridiculous contracts helping the manager?
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Depends how much those managers wanted those players.

comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Murtough seems to be blamedmfor an awful lot, but I'm notnsure why.

What has he done badly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What has he done right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Backed the manager.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is letting players get ridiculous contracts helping the manager?
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Depends how much those managers wanted those players.
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But it doesn't help the next manager who's stuck with those players, does it?

comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 4 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
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If it's realistic why has only one manager, arguably the greatest of all time, managed it in 50+ years?
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Well that's not true is it? We've won trophies outside of Busby & Ferguson's tenures, and finished in respectfully competitive league positions before and since Fergie.

At times, even in the last 10 years, we've played decent football, too (albeit nothing to write home about).

The primary reason we're currently in a mess is due to horrendous mis-management of the footballing operation once Fergie & Gill stepped away. We have the resources to easily fulfil the modest expectations I laid out. We simply don't have the right people overseeing any of it, however.
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Footballing operation, blah blah blah.

Same old umbrella terminology thrown around, with zero detail or subsstance.

May as well just say we neeed to do eveyfink betterer
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It's been detailed many times over the years. It's just nobody here wants to indulge your single digit IQ faux-contrarian routine by going over old ground with you.
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Iv not once seen it broken down. Its just a lazy catch up moan.
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For me it’s about having continuity with the footballing operations so that when managers come and go there isn’t a need to start all over again, which is what we’ve been doing for ten years.

City absolutely smashed this, as did Chelsea under Roman. City put everything in place long before Pep came.

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Not sure Chelsea have been consitent with their managerial appointments

As for City, they will inevitably suffer when Pep goes, because he is one of the best ever, and there aren't many who can go in there and it be business as usual.
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Not consistent with managerial appointments, that’s the point. They were consistent with the footballing operations above the manager, which is why their chopping and changing managers didn’t stop them winning leagues and champions leagues.

City without Pep will still be very successful, just not as successful. Not treble, no 3/4 leagues in a row.

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Murtough seems to be blamedmfor an awful lot, but I'm notnsure why.

What has he done badly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What has he done right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Backed the manager.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is letting players get ridiculous contracts helping the manager?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Depends how much those managers wanted those players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But it doesn't help the next manager who's stuck with those players, does it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, I suppose the idea is that the manager is on place for the majority of these players contracts.

comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Murtough seems to be blamedmfor an awful lot, but I'm notnsure why.

What has he done badly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What has he done right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Backed the manager.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is letting players get ridiculous contracts helping the manager?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Depends how much those managers wanted those players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But it doesn't help the next manager who's stuck with those players, does it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, I suppose the idea is that the manager is on place for the majority of these players contracts.
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Do you think the players have more power than they should at this club as it's difficult to shift problem players?

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 4 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
======

If it's realistic why has only one manager, arguably the greatest of all time, managed it in 50+ years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well that's not true is it? We've won trophies outside of Busby & Ferguson's tenures, and finished in respectfully competitive league positions before and since Fergie.

At times, even in the last 10 years, we've played decent football, too (albeit nothing to write home about).

The primary reason we're currently in a mess is due to horrendous mis-management of the footballing operation once Fergie & Gill stepped away. We have the resources to easily fulfil the modest expectations I laid out. We simply don't have the right people overseeing any of it, however.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Footballing operation, blah blah blah.

Same old umbrella terminology thrown around, with zero detail or subsstance.

May as well just say we neeed to do eveyfink betterer
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It's been detailed many times over the years. It's just nobody here wants to indulge your single digit IQ faux-contrarian routine by going over old ground with you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Iv not once seen it broken down. Its just a lazy catch up moan.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For me it’s about having continuity with the footballing operations so that when managers come and go there isn’t a need to start all over again, which is what we’ve been doing for ten years.

City absolutely smashed this, as did Chelsea under Roman. City put everything in place long before Pep came.

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Not sure Chelsea have been consitent with their managerial appointments

As for City, they will inevitably suffer when Pep goes, because he is one of the best ever, and there aren't many who can go in there and it be business as usual.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not consistent with managerial appointments, that’s the point. They were consistent with the footballing operations above the manager, which is why their chopping and changing managers didn’t stop them winning leagues and champions leagues.

City without Pep will still be very successful, just not as successful. Not treble, no 3/4 leagues in a row.
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Who where these ever present football people ? I can only recall the Nigerian fella, who's.no part of the Saudi League. Hardly a major footballing job.

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 13 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Murtough seems to be blamedmfor an awful lot, but I'm notnsure why.

What has he done badly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What has he done right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Backed the manager.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is letting players get ridiculous contracts helping the manager?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Depends how much those managers wanted those players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But it doesn't help the next manager who's stuck with those players, does it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, I suppose the idea is that the manager is on place for the majority of these players contracts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think the players have more power than they should at this club as it's difficult to shift problem players?
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No. I dont partuclalrly think United.players have power or.influence over the club.

comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 4 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
======

If it's realistic why has only one manager, arguably the greatest of all time, managed it in 50+ years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well that's not true is it? We've won trophies outside of Busby & Ferguson's tenures, and finished in respectfully competitive league positions before and since Fergie.

At times, even in the last 10 years, we've played decent football, too (albeit nothing to write home about).

The primary reason we're currently in a mess is due to horrendous mis-management of the footballing operation once Fergie & Gill stepped away. We have the resources to easily fulfil the modest expectations I laid out. We simply don't have the right people overseeing any of it, however.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Footballing operation, blah blah blah.

Same old umbrella terminology thrown around, with zero detail or subsstance.

May as well just say we neeed to do eveyfink betterer
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It's been detailed many times over the years. It's just nobody here wants to indulge your single digit IQ faux-contrarian routine by going over old ground with you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Iv not once seen it broken down. Its just a lazy catch up moan.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For me it’s about having continuity with the footballing operations so that when managers come and go there isn’t a need to start all over again, which is what we’ve been doing for ten years.

City absolutely smashed this, as did Chelsea under Roman. City put everything in place long before Pep came.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure Chelsea have been consitent with their managerial appointments

As for City, they will inevitably suffer when Pep goes, because he is one of the best ever, and there aren't many who can go in there and it be business as usual.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not consistent with managerial appointments, that’s the point. They were consistent with the footballing operations above the manager, which is why their chopping and changing managers didn’t stop them winning leagues and champions leagues.

City without Pep will still be very successful, just not as successful. Not treble, no 3/4 leagues in a row.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Who where these ever present football people ? I can only recall the Nigerian fella, who's.no part of the Saudi League. Hardly a major footballing job.
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Never heard of Txiki Begiristain?

He was director of football at Barcelona from 2003-2010 and then City 2012-Present

Bostic