Are great managers born, not made?

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Celtic werent that poor, always there or thereabouts in the league. Also they were still performing in Europe and already had Hartson and Larson.

I think he did a good job, but many good managers could have done the same good job.

How about Sven Goran-Erikisson?

he had success at Degefors IF, IFK Goteborg, Benfica and Lazio, plus had some some success with a few Italian sides and did a decent job as England Manager.

Hiddink - Had success at PSV and Chelsea, as as National Manager of South Korea, Russia, Holland and Australia.

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Martin O'Neil is someone who has 'got it' (though hes not as good as Fergie or Mourinho.) Comes in at Sunderland and immediately gets the team playing at a higher level than under Bruce. he's done that at all his clubs.

The ability to do that is down to his management qualities of motivation and man-management. His time at Villa perhaps shows he's less talented at a long-term project.

But it still goes to show he was born with something that the likes of Bruce don't have.

I think Steve McClaren is a decent Manager. He had a good record at FC Twente first time round.

sir bobby robsons apprentices haven't done too bad

sir bobby robsons apprentices haven't done too bad

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His apprentice Jose Mourinho was born 'with it'. That's why he quit playing so he could concentrate on coaching, his real talent.

Granted it helps having a mentor, but you still can't turn a stone into a diamond.

AvB