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It's not that black and white. If you took Fergie and put him in charge of a brand new team, there is every chance he would fail. He has built his success through being 'the man' at the club. What he says goes. If he went into a new club it would be completely different.
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Steve McClaren has actually done a very good away from England. check his record with FC Twente.
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I doubt Fergie could do that again because of the pressure of immediate success these days.
Look at AVB, for all we know he could be as good as Fergie. Yet I cant see him lasting more than 2 years at chelsea.
Times have changed.
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Ok, how about Mourinho - Porto, Chelsea, Inter, and now doing well at Real Madrid.
Martin O'neil - Leicester, Celtic, Aston Villa, and had a good start at Sunderland.
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MO'N- Fair enough Leicester. Celtic he himself has admitted he was lucky to be in charge at a time when Larsson was there and there was money available. Villa, really? Check out how much he spent in his time there and what the Villa fans think of him. We'll see about Sunderland.
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Celtic were poor when he took over though and Rangers were the dominant team.
I thought he did a decent job at Villa. Certainly better than numerous other managers who have failed there.
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Celtic werent that poor, always there or thereabouts in the league. Also they were still performing in Europe and already had Hartson and Larson.
I think he did a good job, but many good managers could have done the same good job.
How about Sven Goran-Erikisson?
he had success at Degefors IF, IFK Goteborg, Benfica and Lazio, plus had some some success with a few Italian sides and did a decent job as England Manager.
Hiddink - Had success at PSV and Chelsea, as as National Manager of South Korea, Russia, Holland and Australia.
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Martin O'Neil is someone who has 'got it' (though hes not as good as Fergie or Mourinho.) Comes in at Sunderland and immediately gets the team playing at a higher level than under Bruce. he's done that at all his clubs.
The ability to do that is down to his management qualities of motivation and man-management. His time at Villa perhaps shows he's less talented at a long-term project.
But it still goes to show he was born with something that the likes of Bruce don't have.
I think Steve McClaren is a decent Manager. He had a good record at FC Twente first time round.
sir bobby robsons apprentices haven't done too bad
sir bobby robsons apprentices haven't done too bad
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His apprentice Jose Mourinho was born 'with it'. That's why he quit playing so he could concentrate on coaching, his real talent.
Granted it helps having a mentor, but you still can't turn a stone into a diamond.
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posted on 3/1/12
It's not that black and white. If you took Fergie and put him in charge of a brand new team, there is every chance he would fail. He has built his success through being 'the man' at the club. What he says goes. If he went into a new club it would be completely different.
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East Stirlingshire
St Mirren
Aberdeen
Manchester United
posted on 3/1/12
Steve McClaren has actually done a very good away from England. check his record with FC Twente.
posted on 3/1/12
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posted on 3/1/12
I doubt Fergie could do that again because of the pressure of immediate success these days.
Look at AVB, for all we know he could be as good as Fergie. Yet I cant see him lasting more than 2 years at chelsea.
posted on 3/1/12
Times have changed.
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Ok, how about Mourinho - Porto, Chelsea, Inter, and now doing well at Real Madrid.
Martin O'neil - Leicester, Celtic, Aston Villa, and had a good start at Sunderland.
posted on 3/1/12
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posted on 3/1/12
MO'N- Fair enough Leicester. Celtic he himself has admitted he was lucky to be in charge at a time when Larsson was there and there was money available. Villa, really? Check out how much he spent in his time there and what the Villa fans think of him. We'll see about Sunderland.
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Celtic were poor when he took over though and Rangers were the dominant team.
I thought he did a decent job at Villa. Certainly better than numerous other managers who have failed there.
posted on 3/1/12
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posted on 3/1/12
Celtic werent that poor, always there or thereabouts in the league. Also they were still performing in Europe and already had Hartson and Larson.
I think he did a good job, but many good managers could have done the same good job.
posted on 3/1/12
How about Sven Goran-Erikisson?
he had success at Degefors IF, IFK Goteborg, Benfica and Lazio, plus had some some success with a few Italian sides and did a decent job as England Manager.
posted on 3/1/12
Hiddink - Had success at PSV and Chelsea, as as National Manager of South Korea, Russia, Holland and Australia.
posted on 3/1/12
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posted on 3/1/12
Martin O'Neil is someone who has 'got it' (though hes not as good as Fergie or Mourinho.) Comes in at Sunderland and immediately gets the team playing at a higher level than under Bruce. he's done that at all his clubs.
The ability to do that is down to his management qualities of motivation and man-management. His time at Villa perhaps shows he's less talented at a long-term project.
But it still goes to show he was born with something that the likes of Bruce don't have.
posted on 3/1/12
I think Steve McClaren is a decent Manager. He had a good record at FC Twente first time round.
posted on 3/1/12
sir bobby robsons apprentices haven't done too bad
posted on 3/1/12
sir bobby robsons apprentices haven't done too bad
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His apprentice Jose Mourinho was born 'with it'. That's why he quit playing so he could concentrate on coaching, his real talent.
Granted it helps having a mentor, but you still can't turn a stone into a diamond.
posted on 3/1/12
AvB
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