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posted on 25/10/20

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
That chance he gave away against Utd was criminal tbh

Silva had to step out and we were undone but for Mendy
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I thought apart from that key error, he had a great game for us.

posted on 25/10/20

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 19 minutes ago
Jorginho is annoying

Great qualities, but he' so specific that when he isn't suited to a game or a tactic he is borderline harmful to have on the pitch
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Blarms as I've said on here before in any other window he'd have been moved on. He's a Serie A player and he'll do well going back there. I think Billy will fairly quickly take his place once he's had one or two good appearances after his return.
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By saying that, I interpret that we need to keep hold of Jorghino, even if as cover for Billy, who let's face it is far from the finished article.

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 25/10/20

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 19 minutes ago
Jorginho is annoying

Great qualities, but he' so specific that when he isn't suited to a game or a tactic he is borderline harmful to have on the pitch
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Blarms as I've said on here before in any other window he'd have been moved on. He's a Serie A player and he'll do well going back there. I think Billy will fairly quickly take his place once he's had one or two good appearances after his return.
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By saying that, I interpret that we need to keep hold of Jorghino, even if as cover for Billy, who let's face it is far from the finished article.
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I would have sold both Kante and Jorgi in the summer. Looks like they're here until summer 21 when we can replace them. We probably should have gone for Partey, maybe we were too focused on signing Rice.

posted on 25/10/20

https://link.chelseafc.com/5Aa4w261Rab
Here's a link from The 5th Stand, Chelsea FC's official app: Azpi: I don’t understand why we don’t use VAR correctly

posted on 25/10/20

It really is quite amazing how under reported the penalty that wasn't given has been.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 25/10/20

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
That chance he gave away against Utd was criminal tbh

Silva had to step out and we were undone but for Mendy
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I thought apart from that key error, he had a great game for us.
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That could have cost the whole game

posted on 25/10/20

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted about a minute ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 19 minutes ago
Jorginho is annoying

Great qualities, but he' so specific that when he isn't suited to a game or a tactic he is borderline harmful to have on the pitch
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Blarms as I've said on here before in any other window he'd have been moved on. He's a Serie A player and he'll do well going back there. I think Billy will fairly quickly take his place once he's had one or two good appearances after his return.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
By saying that, I interpret that we need to keep hold of Jorghino, even if as cover for Billy, who let's face it is far from the finished article.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would have sold both Kante and Jorgi in the summer. Looks like they're here until summer 21 when we can replace them. We probably should have gone for Partey, maybe we were too focused on signing Rice.
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I haven't seen Partey but by all accounts he is highly rated.

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 25/10/20

I wonder if Kova and Gilmour would work well as a midfield two.

posted on 25/10/20

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
That chance he gave away against Utd was criminal tbh

Silva had to step out and we were undone but for Mendy
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I thought apart from that key error, he had a great game for us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That could have cost the whole game
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Yes, mistakes can, and wih Kepa in goal they often do.

posted on 25/10/20

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
That chance he gave away against Utd was criminal tbh

Silva had to step out and we were undone but for Mendy
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I thought apart from that key error, he had a great game for us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That could have cost the whole game
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, mistakes can, and wih Kepa in goal they often do.
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Look at Drogba in the 2012 CL final, his mistake could have cost us the game.

posted on 25/10/20

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted about a minute ago
Biggish... I promise I won't ask anything more of you on here, seems clear to me now that your points you make on here...which whilst seeming to be of a sort that come across as educated clear and concise are - just as you say...opinions, and I will treat them as such from now on

Please accept my apologies
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What else would they be other than justvopinions? No different than what anyone else posts on here.
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True...but as stated I was trying to learn from them...seeing what you see

Seems it wasn't possible
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I didn't realise people posted their opinions on here to teach, I thought it was just to provoke discussion and debate and also a platform to vent.
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Err...I think I did just that

posted on 25/10/20

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted about a minute ago
Biggish... I promise I won't ask anything more of you on here, seems clear to me now that your points you make on here...which whilst seeming to be of a sort that come across as educated clear and concise are - just as you say...opinions, and I will treat them as such from now on

Please accept my apologies
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What else would they be other than justvopinions? No different than what anyone else posts on here.
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True...but as stated I was trying to learn from them...seeing what you see

Seems it wasn't possible
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I didn't realise people posted their opinions on here to teach, I thought it was just to provoke discussion and debate and also a platform to vent.
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Err...I think I did just that
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No, you went off track by suggesting that people have to provide supportive quantative evidence each time they post an opinion, else you consider their posts to be sweeping statements. You didn't actually touch on the actual point being made and your own thoughts, until much later.

posted on 25/10/20

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 7 minutes ago
I wonder if Kova and Gilmour would work well as a midfield two.
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Gilmour's first two games were amazing, but after that there were many times in games where he got out muscled and dispossessed. That makes me cautious on a 2 man midfield of Kova and Gilmour

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 25/10/20

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 7 minutes ago
It really is quite amazing how under reported the penalty that wasn't given has been.
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Not for me Biggish. When you play media and PL darlings Pen Utd you have to expect pens getting awarded against you as well as a lack of pens being awarded in your favour.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 25/10/20

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
That chance he gave away against Utd was criminal tbh

Silva had to step out and we were undone but for Mendy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I thought apart from that key error, he had a great game for us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That could have cost the whole game
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, mistakes can, and wih Kepa in goal they often do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at Drogba in the 2012 CL final, his mistake could have cost us the game.
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Ah Drogba was never allowing us to lose that game or the semi final when he gave the Barca pen

He just wanted us to feel more emotion

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 25/10/20

Also Jorgi's main benefit is meant to be his possession play and keeping the ball live for us

I can't give him a good mark for that game due to that moment tbh

comment by T.J (U15973)

posted on 25/10/20

We need a powerful & physical DM that can also play out.

Probably why we were linked to someone like Denis Zakaria

posted on 25/10/20

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
That chance he gave away against Utd was criminal tbh

Silva had to step out and we were undone but for Mendy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I thought apart from that key error, he had a great game for us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That could have cost the whole game
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, mistakes can, and wih Kepa in goal they often do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at Drogba in the 2012 CL final, his mistake could have cost us the game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ah Drogba was never allowing us to lose that game or the semi final when he gave the Barca pen

He just wanted us to feel more emotion
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It worked

posted on 25/10/20

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
Also Jorgi's main benefit is meant to be his possession play and keeping the ball live for us

I can't give him a good mark for that game due to that moment tbh
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Fair enough, I personally liked his performance yesterday, bar that key error previously mentioned.

posted on 25/10/20

comment by T.J (U15973)
posted about a minute ago
We need a powerful & physical DM that can also play out.

Probably why we were linked to someone like Denis Zakaria
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I agree, Roy Keane springs to mind

posted on 25/10/20

Tweets from @ExpectedChelsea:

“Edouard Mendy against Man United was the first Chelsea goalkeeper to over-perform his post-shot xG by more than 1.0 since December 2018!

This is also a sign of how we've just not had enough elite shot-stoppers (at least statistically) until now.

For perspective, the GKs of Arsenal (a random example) have over-performed their PSxG by more than 1.0 four times in 2020 alone!“

posted on 25/10/20

comment by Stretchy Mendy (U1641)
posted less than a minute ago
Tweets from @ExpectedChelsea:

“Edouard Mendy against Man United was the first Chelsea goalkeeper to over-perform his post-shot xG by more than 1.0 since December 2018!

This is also a sign of how we've just not had enough elite shot-stoppers (at least statistically) until now.

For perspective, the GKs of Arsenal (a random example) have over-performed their PSxG by more than 1.0 four times in 2020 alone!“
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I still think that all his saves, bar the Rashford chance in the first half were ones I would expect a Chelsea keeper to save. It really does show how many points Kepa has cost us in the last 16 months

posted on 25/10/20

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
That chance he gave away against Utd was criminal tbh

Silva had to step out and we were undone but for Mendy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I thought apart from that key error, he had a great game for us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That could have cost the whole game
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would’ve been a classic Chelsea performance. Apart from that one big mistake he had a good game. Something we see every week. A different player having a brain fart moment. Luckily Rashford didn’t punish us this time.

posted on 25/10/20

comment by TLLL (U4640)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
That chance he gave away against Utd was criminal tbh

Silva had to step out and we were undone but for Mendy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I thought apart from that key error, he had a great game for us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That could have cost the whole game
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would’ve been a classic Chelsea performance. Apart from that one big mistake he had a good game. Something we see every week. A different player having a brain fart moment. Luckily Rashford didn’t punish us this time.
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Mendy is Daddy Long Legs

posted on 25/10/20

comment by T.J (U15973)
posted 1 minute ago
We need a powerful & physical DM that can also play out.

Probably why we were linked to someone like Denis Zakaria
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Zakaria would've made a much bigger impact on the team than someone like Havertz. That being said, I'm still harbouring some hope that Ampadu can come back next season and be the DM that our team is crying out for at the moment. His performance against Liverpool was very promising. I watched a decent chunk of that match and he was solid defensively while also being confident bringing the ball forwards.

My ideal midfield (if 4-2-3-1 is to be our main formation moving forward) would be someone like Gilmour paired with a DM in the mould of Zakaria (or Ampadu). I don't think any of our current starters at CM fit the pivot. For it to be balanced, I think we need:

(1) A defensive destroyer type who's comfortable sitting deep and sweeping up while also being physically imposing enough that we don't get outmuscled in midfield. Also, it goes without saying that they need to be comfortable on the ball - they don't necessarily have to be especially creative but they must have the ability to progress the ball forward (through passing or dribbling) even when pressed

(2) A creative deep-lying playmaker type who has solid defensive positioning and workrate. They need to have excellent ball progression abilities through passing and/or dribbling. Adventurous in their passing - i.e. willing to consistently make line breaking passes to feed the attack. Also need to be comfortable when pressed.

Of course we could get players who have a mix of qualities in (1) and (2) but regardless, I feel that any pairing must contain all of the qualities mentioned to be balanced in "any" game scenario. A player in the mould of (1) could also play as a DM in a 4-3-3 flanked by two 8s (e.g. Fernandinho for City).

In Kovacic, Kante and Jorginho we don't have a pairing that fulfils all of the qualities in (1) and (2). Kante has some of (1) but is far from physically imposing. Jorginho has barely any of either (1) or (2). While Kovacic is someone I'd have hoped could be a (2) but seems to be lacking in his forward passing (WC at dribbling though).

From our entire CM roster, Gilmour would be perfect for (2) and Ampadu has the potential to fulfil (1). Clearly it's a big ask for them to slot in straight away so perhaps we need to look towards the transfer market.

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