He has obivoulsy done very well previoulsy at Fulham and now at West Brom.
In theory I think he could be a better choice that Harry, but the main worry is about his ability to deal with the 'star' players, particularly in an international role in comparison to league management where it is much easier to build and maintain a working relationship.
In the short term, I don't think this will affect the Euros as he will come in and almost have to literally just pick his squad. But it will be interesting to see how he manages through the two year long process of a qualification campaign.
The good thing is, that I don't think he will have favourites and would be quite willing to select youngsters over the old guard favourites.
There will probably be a couple of surprise selections which we wouldn't have seen if Redknapp had been offered the role.
I am happy with this. For me he was always the most ideal candidate over Harry Redknapp due to his international experience.
But at the same time I know we will never ever win any trophy no matter who is in charge so Im not too fussed!!!
I'm sure many will see Hodgson's appointment as a mature and sensible choice, but to me that's everything that is wrong about it.
For years we've had an England team that doesn't give a damn, trying to play football that its players are incapable of and providing precious little inspiration to the public. the choice of Hodgson as manager will guarantee that this is continued.
I'm not saying that Redknapp would have won anything because we don't have the individual ability or the setup but at least with him we could have seen some excitement. Redknapp's Tottenham this season is the style of football England should be aspiring to. With Hodgson we've simply condemned the national team to two more tournaments of blandness.
And so the cycle goes on.
With Hodgson we've simply condemned the national team to two more tournaments of blandness.
Dung how dare you write him off before done a thing. Very unlike you.
This is a thinking manger and also a coach speaks 6 languages and knows more about football than just about anyone avaliable.
If we win the a cup with bland football who cares we need a winning national team not the nearly team.
And as our gary said no footballer wearing the England shirt needs motivating or inspiring.
Apparently, only two candidates were considered and David Bernstein said that he/they had carefully considered their options and had selected the right candidate for the position approximately one month ago.
This beggars belief. Just two men were considered for what is the prime position in the country's football management status. Yes, the position of England football manager is a poisoned chalice and with the best will in the world, I hope he succeeds. I am afraid I can't see it happening though.
I think the list was very short as they had set there minds on having an English manager in charge with lots of experience. Hence Harry and Roy
Nev - I don't think this is an atrocious appointment. There are a lot worse managers out there than Hodgson. The problem is that it's a horribly missed opportunity.
Hodgson is a good manager and has a lot of good attributes; he's calm, he's managed in several leagues and had a fair amount of success (not lots, but reasonable). At another time, he could have been a decent if slightly uninspiring choice as England boss.
If the England team was full of tryers who were blowing it through ill-discipline and not holding their nerve at key times, Hodgson would have been a good choice. However, the problems England have at the moment do surround motivation of a team (i.e. a team rather than individual players, much like at Leicester this season) and a spark of inspiration - a reason of belief that going out there a certain way is the right thing to do. The England team has no style or swagger at present and if they want to compete with the European elite they would need that. Harry Redknapp would be an ideal candidate to provide that. Not only did the job come around at the right time for him, he came around at the right time for England.
However, spouting the usual issues such as being unwilling to pay the money or wanting a willing figure-head for the Burton development (i.e. non-footballing reasons), the FA has taken the easy option, the man who won't rock the boat and, as a consequence, the second best option at a time when his skills won't be maximised.
That's why I'm so massively disappointed by this appointment. I was actually looking forward to the England team showing flashes of inspiration under Harry Redknapp, but now I fear we'll continue to get solid, quarter-final level performances and no ambition to actively make things any better than that.
Do you think Arry would of brought that swagger, that comes from winning something Spurs have done little lately.
MILAN - President Massimo Moratti and everyone at Inter were delighted to learn that Roy Hodgson has been appointed as England's new manager.
Being chosen by the Football Association is the highest honour for an English coach but in the case of Hodgson it is also just reward for a sincere and generous man who can be considered a true friend of Inter.
Someone rates him
I think Redknapp would have been a better appointment because he's a better manager. That doesn't mean to say Hodgson is a bad choice. He probably has a lot of qualities that suit International management.
But I think what tipped it for him were maybe factors other than the on the pitch stuff (I'm sure I read Bernstein refer to it as a 'package' somewhere). For instance, the compensation issue. Also, as Dunge touched on, the FA are very big on two things:
Firstly, they want the England manager to embrace the whole St George's Park project and more or less work there for the majority of the time. Hodgson ticks that box whereas Harry maybe doesn't.
Also, they want to promote more internal coaches into the England set-up (like Stuart Pearce) rather than have every new manager bring in his entourage - it's almost certain that Redknapp would have wanted Bond, Jordan, Allen etc. with him whereas Hodgson never really has a fixed assistant he works with.
In one way, you could say it's good the FA are thinking in terms of the future but I think they should get the best manager available - if they wanted they could have instead offered Roy the Technical Director job that is also available if they liked those added benefits.
Having said that, I will still back him and wish him well because he's one of the game's nice guys and I want the national team to do well.
Yes, I am aware that that an Englishman was sought to take up the reins and a mere two candidates fell under the microscope for consideration. This is just so shallow and the FA may well rue an opportunity missed to have spread its wings and reached out beyond these shores, irrespective of whether the man was from here or abroad. If the concensus of public opinion was one of a home-based manager being appointed then perhaps the FA should have heeded their thoughts and gone for Harry Redknapp.
I read or heard it somewhere yesterday, that the Fa had chosen Roy Hodgson, because he has experience at major tournaments, he guided Switzerland to the 94 world cup and euro 96, quite successfully. this is somewhere where England regularly fail.
It makes sense to me,
God Move FA (for once)
Good move FA (for once) *
I think the fact that only two managers were considered for the job is a more damning indictment of the state of the English game than of the FA's decision making process, downsouf.
Just as on the pitch, off the pitch too our dugouts are flooded with foreign mercenaries rather than home-grown talent. Even the other home nations seem to produce a steadier stream of managerial talent than we do and the truth is that there are very few good English managers out there and no great ones and things have been that way for a number of years.
Of the 20 PL teams only four are managed by Englishmen and that count includes Hodgson at West Brom and Terry Connor at Wolves, who is a caretaker. Tellingly there are also hardly any Englishmen coaching abroad which speaks volumes about how other countries view our managers. Given the clamour for an Englishman at the helm this time round, how many options did the FA really have?
St George's Park will be a huge boost for us on the playing side, but the FA must also look at improving how this country produces managers and coaches too. At least there will be two more English faces in the PL next season with Brian McDermott and Nigel Adkins but you can guarantee that the ratio will still be pathetically low. Seeing as a foreign manager has never led a team to a World Cup (and with all the major footballing nations currently having domestic managers it doesn't look like happening any time soon) I reckon it'd be in our best interests to finally focus on developing some homegrown managerial talent.
Rant over. Oh, and as for Roy, he's a safe if unspectacular choice. I doubt we'll be scintillating with him at the helm, but English football needs to undergo something of a transformation on and off the pitch if we're to ever have a chance of winning anything and, as others have mentioned, he may be just the man to lay the foundations for the future at the new national academy. I'd have gone for Harry too, but he obviously didn't fit the brief the FA had.
Hows harry a better manager ! Unless you include the ability to stuff your back pocket 130 transfers in three years at west ham = expensive house in poole
How's Harry a better manager? By progressing his teams further and achieving more with them in a relative sense.
I'm perfectly happy with Hodgson's appointment, and am looking forward to an England team that is better organised, operates in a more sensible overall environment, and which understands the manager's instructions. Capello was a growing embarrassment.
That said, if Redknapp hadn't demonstrated so much tactical naivety over recent weeks, he'd have been hard for the FA not to pick, given the support he enjoyed from all of his media chums. As it is, his calamitous decision-making with Spurs since he won his court case have enabled them to pick the more solid and reliable candidate. Good.
The media now need to give Hodgson a fair crack at it.
I don't personally think Redknapp is a better manager than Hodgson but I do agree we may have been more interesting to watch.
However, I've been consigned to watching England underwhelm and underachieve for a while now and looking at the youngsters coming through, I don't think we'll challenge for the next 4-8 years anyway.
So, it doesn't matter who's manager now. Hodgson is as good a choice as any to lea an average set of players into a tournament. He's a good choice to steady the ship for what I hope will be an overhaul ofthe whole English game and how we develop young players and managers.
Spain did something similar 15 years ago, and is got them where they are now.
If an England team are relying in Danny Welbeck and Sturridge to fire them to Euro glory I think we'll be left rather disappointed!!
"Achieving more with them in a relative sense"
umm thats not conclusive is it?
What I mean is that Hodgson has done well at many clubs, while Redknapp has worked miracles at some of his.
Redknapp is the man to get these English footballers playing English football at their best. If that sounds xenophobic, I don't mean it that way - simply that we've been trying to play various styles of continental football for a decade and failing miserably. I've lost count of the times I've screamed at the television for England to put some pace and effort into their play because when they do they actually look dangerous. One thing I fear about Hodgson is that he's being brought in for his international experience (both at international level and in foreign leagues) and that would result in more of the same - English players playing a style they're no good at and boring us and frustrating us in the process. Since it's clear now that Hodgson is the boss, I truly hope he doesn't do this. I can practically guarantee you that Redknapp wouldn't.
Maybe Hodgson will surprise you Dunge.
Maybe Nigel will surprise John Gee.
I hope one of them can as a minimum!!
"Given my CV, I had the right to hope and harbour the wish that the FA, after going through the process, would choose me."
Uncle Roy's first mistake, and a biggy, on day 2. Oh dear.....
To be fair Malling - how do you expect him to respond to the media questioning his ability to do the job?!
I think "I'm pretty qualified thank you very much" is a fair response!!
he doesnt get my seal of approval - personally I would have preferred Pearce but hey ho, I will still give him a chance.
He needs to make a difference now and clear out the failing old guard and pick a team of players who really deserve it e.g kyle walker
If John Terry gets in the squad I will despise him
Roy Hodgson must be a very intelligent man, he speaks FIVE languages and anyone who doesn't recognise that is doing the man a significant disservice. He also has a football brain, he must have, he has managed and achieved success internationally.
The problem, which a few have already touched on, is his lack of charisma - This wasn't a problem when he was managing European sides, as the players weren't drink addled, megalomaniac celebrities, in addition to, or before being, a footballer.
The problem with the current England squad is the same as the problem with the Chelsea squad - Because of their own over inflated ego's the players won't respect a manager who isn't a massive personality and at Chelsea they didn't respect AVB to the point where I believe they deliberately performed at a level where they lost points and I believe those prima donnas would have blamed AVB in their own minds - Just as the Liverpool egos blamed Hodgson for Liverpool's disastrous run of results during his reign.
Now here's the crux - Chelsea are now picking up some good results and have made both the FA and Champions League final, so is De Matteo a large personality - No clearly not - But he isn't managing them, they are managing themselves. He is just a man in a nice coat on the touchline, the players know their strengths and are playing to them - And I believe this will happen with the England squad and that England might just finally perform because they have an insignificant manager
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posted on 1/5/12
He has obivoulsy done very well previoulsy at Fulham and now at West Brom.
In theory I think he could be a better choice that Harry, but the main worry is about his ability to deal with the 'star' players, particularly in an international role in comparison to league management where it is much easier to build and maintain a working relationship.
In the short term, I don't think this will affect the Euros as he will come in and almost have to literally just pick his squad. But it will be interesting to see how he manages through the two year long process of a qualification campaign.
The good thing is, that I don't think he will have favourites and would be quite willing to select youngsters over the old guard favourites.
There will probably be a couple of surprise selections which we wouldn't have seen if Redknapp had been offered the role.
posted on 1/5/12
I am happy with this. For me he was always the most ideal candidate over Harry Redknapp due to his international experience.
But at the same time I know we will never ever win any trophy no matter who is in charge so Im not too fussed!!!
posted on 1/5/12
I'm sure many will see Hodgson's appointment as a mature and sensible choice, but to me that's everything that is wrong about it.
For years we've had an England team that doesn't give a damn, trying to play football that its players are incapable of and providing precious little inspiration to the public. the choice of Hodgson as manager will guarantee that this is continued.
I'm not saying that Redknapp would have won anything because we don't have the individual ability or the setup but at least with him we could have seen some excitement. Redknapp's Tottenham this season is the style of football England should be aspiring to. With Hodgson we've simply condemned the national team to two more tournaments of blandness.
And so the cycle goes on.
posted on 1/5/12
With Hodgson we've simply condemned the national team to two more tournaments of blandness.
Dung how dare you write him off before done a thing. Very unlike you.
This is a thinking manger and also a coach speaks 6 languages and knows more about football than just about anyone avaliable.
If we win the a cup with bland football who cares we need a winning national team not the nearly team.
And as our gary said no footballer wearing the England shirt needs motivating or inspiring.
posted on 1/5/12
Apparently, only two candidates were considered and David Bernstein said that he/they had carefully considered their options and had selected the right candidate for the position approximately one month ago.
This beggars belief. Just two men were considered for what is the prime position in the country's football management status. Yes, the position of England football manager is a poisoned chalice and with the best will in the world, I hope he succeeds. I am afraid I can't see it happening though.
posted on 1/5/12
I think the list was very short as they had set there minds on having an English manager in charge with lots of experience. Hence Harry and Roy
posted on 1/5/12
Nev - I don't think this is an atrocious appointment. There are a lot worse managers out there than Hodgson. The problem is that it's a horribly missed opportunity.
Hodgson is a good manager and has a lot of good attributes; he's calm, he's managed in several leagues and had a fair amount of success (not lots, but reasonable). At another time, he could have been a decent if slightly uninspiring choice as England boss.
If the England team was full of tryers who were blowing it through ill-discipline and not holding their nerve at key times, Hodgson would have been a good choice. However, the problems England have at the moment do surround motivation of a team (i.e. a team rather than individual players, much like at Leicester this season) and a spark of inspiration - a reason of belief that going out there a certain way is the right thing to do. The England team has no style or swagger at present and if they want to compete with the European elite they would need that. Harry Redknapp would be an ideal candidate to provide that. Not only did the job come around at the right time for him, he came around at the right time for England.
However, spouting the usual issues such as being unwilling to pay the money or wanting a willing figure-head for the Burton development (i.e. non-footballing reasons), the FA has taken the easy option, the man who won't rock the boat and, as a consequence, the second best option at a time when his skills won't be maximised.
That's why I'm so massively disappointed by this appointment. I was actually looking forward to the England team showing flashes of inspiration under Harry Redknapp, but now I fear we'll continue to get solid, quarter-final level performances and no ambition to actively make things any better than that.
posted on 1/5/12
Do you think Arry would of brought that swagger, that comes from winning something Spurs have done little lately.
posted on 1/5/12
MILAN - President Massimo Moratti and everyone at Inter were delighted to learn that Roy Hodgson has been appointed as England's new manager.
Being chosen by the Football Association is the highest honour for an English coach but in the case of Hodgson it is also just reward for a sincere and generous man who can be considered a true friend of Inter.
Someone rates him
posted on 1/5/12
I think Redknapp would have been a better appointment because he's a better manager. That doesn't mean to say Hodgson is a bad choice. He probably has a lot of qualities that suit International management.
But I think what tipped it for him were maybe factors other than the on the pitch stuff (I'm sure I read Bernstein refer to it as a 'package' somewhere). For instance, the compensation issue. Also, as Dunge touched on, the FA are very big on two things:
Firstly, they want the England manager to embrace the whole St George's Park project and more or less work there for the majority of the time. Hodgson ticks that box whereas Harry maybe doesn't.
Also, they want to promote more internal coaches into the England set-up (like Stuart Pearce) rather than have every new manager bring in his entourage - it's almost certain that Redknapp would have wanted Bond, Jordan, Allen etc. with him whereas Hodgson never really has a fixed assistant he works with.
In one way, you could say it's good the FA are thinking in terms of the future but I think they should get the best manager available - if they wanted they could have instead offered Roy the Technical Director job that is also available if they liked those added benefits.
Having said that, I will still back him and wish him well because he's one of the game's nice guys and I want the national team to do well.
posted on 1/5/12
Yes, I am aware that that an Englishman was sought to take up the reins and a mere two candidates fell under the microscope for consideration. This is just so shallow and the FA may well rue an opportunity missed to have spread its wings and reached out beyond these shores, irrespective of whether the man was from here or abroad. If the concensus of public opinion was one of a home-based manager being appointed then perhaps the FA should have heeded their thoughts and gone for Harry Redknapp.
posted on 1/5/12
I read or heard it somewhere yesterday, that the Fa had chosen Roy Hodgson, because he has experience at major tournaments, he guided Switzerland to the 94 world cup and euro 96, quite successfully. this is somewhere where England regularly fail.
It makes sense to me,
God Move FA (for once)
posted on 1/5/12
Good move FA (for once) *
posted on 1/5/12
I think the fact that only two managers were considered for the job is a more damning indictment of the state of the English game than of the FA's decision making process, downsouf.
Just as on the pitch, off the pitch too our dugouts are flooded with foreign mercenaries rather than home-grown talent. Even the other home nations seem to produce a steadier stream of managerial talent than we do and the truth is that there are very few good English managers out there and no great ones and things have been that way for a number of years.
Of the 20 PL teams only four are managed by Englishmen and that count includes Hodgson at West Brom and Terry Connor at Wolves, who is a caretaker. Tellingly there are also hardly any Englishmen coaching abroad which speaks volumes about how other countries view our managers. Given the clamour for an Englishman at the helm this time round, how many options did the FA really have?
St George's Park will be a huge boost for us on the playing side, but the FA must also look at improving how this country produces managers and coaches too. At least there will be two more English faces in the PL next season with Brian McDermott and Nigel Adkins but you can guarantee that the ratio will still be pathetically low. Seeing as a foreign manager has never led a team to a World Cup (and with all the major footballing nations currently having domestic managers it doesn't look like happening any time soon) I reckon it'd be in our best interests to finally focus on developing some homegrown managerial talent.
Rant over. Oh, and as for Roy, he's a safe if unspectacular choice. I doubt we'll be scintillating with him at the helm, but English football needs to undergo something of a transformation on and off the pitch if we're to ever have a chance of winning anything and, as others have mentioned, he may be just the man to lay the foundations for the future at the new national academy. I'd have gone for Harry too, but he obviously didn't fit the brief the FA had.
posted on 1/5/12
Hows harry a better manager ! Unless you include the ability to stuff your back pocket 130 transfers in three years at west ham = expensive house in poole
posted on 1/5/12
How's Harry a better manager? By progressing his teams further and achieving more with them in a relative sense.
posted on 1/5/12
I'm perfectly happy with Hodgson's appointment, and am looking forward to an England team that is better organised, operates in a more sensible overall environment, and which understands the manager's instructions. Capello was a growing embarrassment.
That said, if Redknapp hadn't demonstrated so much tactical naivety over recent weeks, he'd have been hard for the FA not to pick, given the support he enjoyed from all of his media chums. As it is, his calamitous decision-making with Spurs since he won his court case have enabled them to pick the more solid and reliable candidate. Good.
The media now need to give Hodgson a fair crack at it.
posted on 1/5/12
I don't personally think Redknapp is a better manager than Hodgson but I do agree we may have been more interesting to watch.
However, I've been consigned to watching England underwhelm and underachieve for a while now and looking at the youngsters coming through, I don't think we'll challenge for the next 4-8 years anyway.
So, it doesn't matter who's manager now. Hodgson is as good a choice as any to lea an average set of players into a tournament. He's a good choice to steady the ship for what I hope will be an overhaul ofthe whole English game and how we develop young players and managers.
Spain did something similar 15 years ago, and is got them where they are now.
If an England team are relying in Danny Welbeck and Sturridge to fire them to Euro glory I think we'll be left rather disappointed!!
posted on 1/5/12
"Achieving more with them in a relative sense"
umm thats not conclusive is it?
posted on 1/5/12
What I mean is that Hodgson has done well at many clubs, while Redknapp has worked miracles at some of his.
Redknapp is the man to get these English footballers playing English football at their best. If that sounds xenophobic, I don't mean it that way - simply that we've been trying to play various styles of continental football for a decade and failing miserably. I've lost count of the times I've screamed at the television for England to put some pace and effort into their play because when they do they actually look dangerous. One thing I fear about Hodgson is that he's being brought in for his international experience (both at international level and in foreign leagues) and that would result in more of the same - English players playing a style they're no good at and boring us and frustrating us in the process. Since it's clear now that Hodgson is the boss, I truly hope he doesn't do this. I can practically guarantee you that Redknapp wouldn't.
posted on 1/5/12
Maybe Hodgson will surprise you Dunge.
Maybe Nigel will surprise John Gee.
I hope one of them can as a minimum!!
posted on 2/5/12
"Given my CV, I had the right to hope and harbour the wish that the FA, after going through the process, would choose me."
Uncle Roy's first mistake, and a biggy, on day 2. Oh dear.....
posted on 2/5/12
To be fair Malling - how do you expect him to respond to the media questioning his ability to do the job?!
I think "I'm pretty qualified thank you very much" is a fair response!!
posted on 2/5/12
he doesnt get my seal of approval - personally I would have preferred Pearce but hey ho, I will still give him a chance.
He needs to make a difference now and clear out the failing old guard and pick a team of players who really deserve it e.g kyle walker
If John Terry gets in the squad I will despise him
posted on 2/5/12
Roy Hodgson must be a very intelligent man, he speaks FIVE languages and anyone who doesn't recognise that is doing the man a significant disservice. He also has a football brain, he must have, he has managed and achieved success internationally.
The problem, which a few have already touched on, is his lack of charisma - This wasn't a problem when he was managing European sides, as the players weren't drink addled, megalomaniac celebrities, in addition to, or before being, a footballer.
The problem with the current England squad is the same as the problem with the Chelsea squad - Because of their own over inflated ego's the players won't respect a manager who isn't a massive personality and at Chelsea they didn't respect AVB to the point where I believe they deliberately performed at a level where they lost points and I believe those prima donnas would have blamed AVB in their own minds - Just as the Liverpool egos blamed Hodgson for Liverpool's disastrous run of results during his reign.
Now here's the crux - Chelsea are now picking up some good results and have made both the FA and Champions League final, so is De Matteo a large personality - No clearly not - But he isn't managing them, they are managing themselves. He is just a man in a nice coat on the touchline, the players know their strengths and are playing to them - And I believe this will happen with the England squad and that England might just finally perform because they have an insignificant manager
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