You know, Klopp for are post is starting to greatly intrigue me. Wouldn't be surprised if Roman saw something in him too. He's mastered the 4-2-3-1, and is getting the absolute best out of distinctly average players.

The richest teams often do that, they get rid off players that become stars in other sides.

The commentator. Calling it as it is. Colorful comments too.

Lahm said it was a nightmare defensively.

He said Bayern were the better team Smart as ever the guy.

gunnerthru, I appreciate that, but Madrid couldn't even beat Bayern over two legs. Dortmund have beaten them 3 times this season. One thing is for sure. Dortmund will be a team to watch in the Champions League next season. There is also no discernable reason for Kagawa to leave.

Bayern look utterly flattened on the bench. It must hurt to sit and watch Dortmund celebrate while waiting for their runners up medals.

gunnerthru

That is exactly the sort of attitude that makes Bayern so disliked in Germany. They have some sort of a superiority complex.

Real Madrid didnt have any clue how to play against Munich.

Klopp and Dortmund know. Last 5 games all Dortmund win. I expect Dortmund to do better next year in the CL League. They bought Reus and will substitute Kagawa equally.

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Are you serious? Dortmund. Average.

AFL Exactly. Before the game they said that they will win easily to proof that they are better than Dortmund. Müller the big mouth said so.

Really impressed with Dortmund.

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You could say the exact thing about Sahin last season. Dortmund are only offering Kagawa £40k a week, we can offer double. Most people in any line of work would go for the job that offers double.

I wouldnt say they were average, their individuals may not be as good as barca or madrid or even bayern

but they have quality the 2 centre halves, gotze, reus, kagawa and lewandowski could get into the majority of the worlds sides

United is after Kagawa not only because he is a good player. It has to do being at the asian market. I believe United offer him a pervers money for this reason.

bayern plays all look happy receieving their medals.

Hoeness had a red face when he lose. He is such a bad loser. Its awful.

Isnt it great this ceremony?

yeh the stage, ceremony is good. we never have anything like that over here.

I am watching the barca game

I am too Demba

Taking Dortmund's squad, and stripping it apart into a group of individuals. Doing the same with the rest of the German League. Tell me Dortmund should be anywhere near the title scene? Bayern, Leverkusen and Schalke have much stronger squads on the surface.

manutd1982 - Yes, but Dortmund are winning things, going places and he's playing football. I bet that if you asked Sahin about his decision now, he would sob into his beer. Kagawa needs to think logically.

Bayern, Leverkusen and Schalke have much stronger squads on the surface.

Wrong. The truth is they are not even close to Dortmund.

Torres's Psychologist - So you're telling me that tactics, and tactics alone have won Dortmund the double this season?

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I know what you're saying but I would say Real have a history of ruining young careers while United are the opposite.

Kagawa would do great if he stayed but at United he could be one of the biggest players in the world. In Japan the PL is by far the most watched league, add to that he will be on higher wages and will be challenging in all competitions. However entertaining the Bundesliga is the PL along with La Liga are where all the top players want to play. He also supports United which always helps.

Dortmund are the best team in Germany. They have taken every challenge thrown at them and came out on top.