The rules were there at the start of the season.
Bad luck for falling foul of them.
If it had happened to Arsenal, I can assure you I would be fuming. I'd be ranting about Wenger failing to properly replace Fabregas and Nasri, about the stupid points we dropped, about the lack of commitment from the players.
NOT about some rules which we all knew existed at the beginning of the season.
The difference between our arguments Jeezus is I am telling you what the rules actually were at the time - you are just listing the reasons people disliked the existing rules in 05. In other words, you are saying Liverpool definately deserved to enter - which misses the entire point of the issue The fact remains - Liverpool did not qualify for the CL and only a UEFA rule change allowed them to compete with 'special dispensation'. Your 2 cut and posts above mean absolutely nothing. Nothing you can say about how wrong the FA were or how the rules should of been changed before that can change this - because it is a simple fact.
Liverpools lobbying got the rules changed. Agree or not?
Just for the record the majority of Spurs fans know and accept the current situation.
here is NO ENTITLEMENT for any club to get into the CL, all home FA's put forward the requisite number they are entitled to & Uefa then invite those clubs to participate in the relevant competition.
I had hoped Bayern would (and should have, but then again so should Napoli & Barca) beat Chelsea, but they didn't & Spurs fans need to stop acting like victims, we are not, unfortunate yes but victims no!!
TNS offer to play off for their place allowed for the rules to be changed.
Net spend You think 'net spend' means Arsenal don't spend more money than Spurs.
It is just about the worst manipulation of football financial stats I have ever seen on 606.
In other words, someone points out Arsenal spend 40% more every single week on wages than Spurs - you don't like it because it debunks the myth 'Arsenal don't spend money' and are 'punching above their weight' - and so mention 'net spend'. Now Arsenal being profitable and making money does not at all change the fact they spend more money than Spurs. That is what I meant by dishonesty. Next you will be telling us Bayern don't spend money because they have historically had very balanced finances.
I understand Spurs fans feeling hard done by and it's justified because it's quite cruel but the rules are there in black and white RC you just have to swallow the pill.
genius - strange though how the FA and Liverpool immediately went on a public relations and lobbying campaign to get the rules changed immediately when a bigger richer club fell victim to the anomaly...
RC, net spend on transfers. That is what the discussion was about.
Also, I asked you what advantages alledged higher wages gave Arsenal over Spurs you didn't answer...
8bit
The rules were in black and white - yes But only before Liverpool got them changed.
The rules are in pencil, and will change again next time a club like Liverpool is the victim.
Oh yes Jeezus - higher wages have nothing to do with getting the best players and keeping some of the ones you already have
How much have you thrown at RVP this week 300k a week yet?
RC if you honestly believe that... I feel for you.
Likewise nets spend on transfers - so what?
You have a better net spend than Stoke.
You wouldn't ever say Arsenal don't spend more money than Stoke would you The penny drops.
higher wages have nothing to do with getting the best players and keeping some of the ones you already have
===========
Which "best players" have we got?
As for keeping, Nasri, Flamini, Clichy, Hleb, etc. Even when we were winning PL titles players left, Overmars, Anelka, Petit etc, for bigger money.
And no, our highest paid player earns just 10k more than yours by all accounts, hardly a telling difference.
You wouldn't ever say Arsenal don't spend more money than Stoke would you The penny drops.
========
But Spurs DO spend more than Arsenal.
Last 5 years, for example, Spurs spent £243m, Arsenal £85.
Get it yet?
Yes, the rules changed 7 years ago. They have remained that way ever since and they always will do.
Do you think if Arsenal had finished 4th the rules would have changed again?
Because that seems to be what you're getting at, and if you truly believe that, I honestly feel sorry for you that you're so blind to your own team's failings.
D'Jeezus Mackaroni ** Laughing at the Shadow Dwellers again...
You wouldn't ever say Arsenal don't spend more money than Stoke would you The penny drops.
========
But Spurs DO spend more than Arsenal.
Last 5 years, for example, Spurs spent £243m, Arsenal £85.
So let`s get this right Spurs have spent £243 million in the past 5 years, and their current team whom have been in the main playing together for the past five years is costed at a little over or under £50 million depending on whom plays, so where are the other players that cost close to £183 million.
Your nose is getting bigger by the days, telling all these porkies.
Sandy, ffs... how many times do I have to post the link. Are you so in denial that you refuse to look at it??
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html
• Robin.V.Per.M • (
It`s a fact that Arsenal are probably the 3rd or 4th highest spenders on wages in the country.
Spurs wage bill is dwarfed by Arsenals. But then wages are not part of costs are they.
Prove it Sandy. Post a link to every player at Arsenals wages, and same for Spurs players..
D'Jeezus Mackaroni ** Laughing at the Shadow Dwellers again...
I want you to tell me. Links can be very misleading.
The last link I checked said that Arsenal were coming up to 8 years without a trophy, and had never won the CL, but with all you Arsenal supporters invading our board giving it large, no way can that be true can it.
Players Purchased
Fee
Players Sold
Fee
Net Total
Season 11/12
Brad Friedel
Free
Jamie O'Hara
£5,000,000
Cristian Ceballos
Free
Jonathan Woodgate
Free
Souleymane Coulibaly
£2,000,000
Paul-José Mpoku
Undisclosed
Yago Falqué
Undisclosed
Robbie Keane
£4,350,000
Scott Parker
£6,000,000
Alan Hutton
£4,000,000
Callum Tapping
Nominal
Peter Crouch
£10,000,000
Wilson Palacios
£8,000,000
Roman Pavlyuchenk
£8,000,000
Nouha Dicko
Free
Total
£8,000,000
£35,000,000
-£27,000,000
Season 10/11
Sandro Raniere
£6,000,000[1]
Lee Butcher
Free
William Gallas
Free
Sam Cox
Free
Rafael Van Der Vaart
£8,000,000
Adel Taarabt
£1,000,000
Bongani Khumalo
£1,500,000
Dorian Dervite
Free
Steven Pienaar
£3,000,000
Total
£18,500,000
£1,000,000
£17,500,000
Season 09/10
Kyle Naughton
£5,000,000[2]
David Hutton
Undisclosed
Kyle Walker
£3,000,000[3]
Danny Hutchins
Free
Peter Crouch
£9,000,000
Didier Zokora
£7,750,000
Sebastien Bassong
£8,000,000
Chris Gunter
£1,750,000
Niko Kranjcar
£2,000,000
Darren Bent
£16,500,000
Jimmy Walker
Free
Pascal Chimbonda
£3,000,000
Younes Kaboul
£5,000,000
Kevin-Prince Boaten
£4,000,000
Tomas Pekhart
Free
Troy Henville
Undisclosed
Total
£32,000,000
£33,000,000
-£1,000,000
Season 08/09
Vedran Corluka
£8,500,000
Paul Robinson
£3,500,000
Heurelho Gomes
£10,000,000
Pascal Chimbonda
Undisclosed
Robbie Keane
£12,000,000
Robbie Keane
£19,000,000
Cesar Sanchez
Undisclosed
Anthony Gardener
£2,500,000
Jermain Defoe
£15,000,000
Steed Malbranque
£7,000,000
Wilson Palacios
£12,000,000
Younes Kaboul
£5,000,000
Carlo Cudicini
Free
Young Pyo Lee
Undisclosed
Pascal Chimbonda
Signed
Dimitar Berbatov
£30,750,000
Roman Pavlyuchenko
£14,000,000[4]
Andy Barcham
Free
David Bentley
£15,000,000
Charlie Daniels
Free
John Bostock
£700,000
Hossam Ghaly
Free
Cesar Sanchez
Signed
Teemu Tainio
Undisclosed
Total
£87,200,000
£67,750,000
£19,450,000
Season 07/08
Giovani
£4,700,000
Radek Cerny
Free
Luka Modric
£16,600,000
Jermain Defoe
£7,500,000
Gilberto
£2,000,000
Wayne Routledge
£1,250,000
Alan Hutton
£9,000,000
Lee Barnard
Free
Jonathan Woodgate
£8,000,000
Philip Ifil
Signed
Chris Gunter
£2,000,000
Danny Murphy
Signed
Kevin Boateng
£5,400,000
Ahmed Mido
£6,000,000
Danny Rose
£1,000,000
Charlie Daniels
Signed
Emil Hallfredsson
Nominal
Wincollgooner - Have we signed someone?
Do you think if Arsenal had finished 4th the rules would have changed again?
They changed the rules in 1913, and Arsenal were mysteriously promoted despite finishing 6th.
And you are right, links can be misleading.
I read one that said Spurs had a better squad than Arsenal,
ps, why do you keep changing your username Sandy? Do you keep embarrassing yourself?
Sign in if you want to comment
UEFA gave Liverpool 'special dispensation'
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posted on 20/5/12
The rules were there at the start of the season.
Bad luck for falling foul of them.
If it had happened to Arsenal, I can assure you I would be fuming. I'd be ranting about Wenger failing to properly replace Fabregas and Nasri, about the stupid points we dropped, about the lack of commitment from the players.
NOT about some rules which we all knew existed at the beginning of the season.
posted on 20/5/12
The difference between our arguments Jeezus is I am telling you what the rules actually were at the time - you are just listing the reasons people disliked the existing rules in 05. In other words, you are saying Liverpool definately deserved to enter - which misses the entire point of the issue The fact remains - Liverpool did not qualify for the CL and only a UEFA rule change allowed them to compete with 'special dispensation'. Your 2 cut and posts above mean absolutely nothing. Nothing you can say about how wrong the FA were or how the rules should of been changed before that can change this - because it is a simple fact.
Liverpools lobbying got the rules changed. Agree or not?
posted on 20/5/12
Just for the record the majority of Spurs fans know and accept the current situation.
here is NO ENTITLEMENT for any club to get into the CL, all home FA's put forward the requisite number they are entitled to & Uefa then invite those clubs to participate in the relevant competition.
I had hoped Bayern would (and should have, but then again so should Napoli & Barca) beat Chelsea, but they didn't & Spurs fans need to stop acting like victims, we are not, unfortunate yes but victims no!!
posted on 20/5/12
genius
posted on 20/5/12
TNS offer to play off for their place allowed for the rules to be changed.
posted on 20/5/12
Net spend You think 'net spend' means Arsenal don't spend more money than Spurs.
It is just about the worst manipulation of football financial stats I have ever seen on 606.
In other words, someone points out Arsenal spend 40% more every single week on wages than Spurs - you don't like it because it debunks the myth 'Arsenal don't spend money' and are 'punching above their weight' - and so mention 'net spend'. Now Arsenal being profitable and making money does not at all change the fact they spend more money than Spurs. That is what I meant by dishonesty. Next you will be telling us Bayern don't spend money because they have historically had very balanced finances.
posted on 20/5/12
I understand Spurs fans feeling hard done by and it's justified because it's quite cruel but the rules are there in black and white RC you just have to swallow the pill.
posted on 20/5/12
genius - strange though how the FA and Liverpool immediately went on a public relations and lobbying campaign to get the rules changed immediately when a bigger richer club fell victim to the anomaly...
posted on 20/5/12
RC, net spend on transfers. That is what the discussion was about.
Also, I asked you what advantages alledged higher wages gave Arsenal over Spurs you didn't answer...
posted on 20/5/12
8bit
The rules were in black and white - yes But only before Liverpool got them changed.
The rules are in pencil, and will change again next time a club like Liverpool is the victim.
posted on 20/5/12
Oh yes Jeezus - higher wages have nothing to do with getting the best players and keeping some of the ones you already have
How much have you thrown at RVP this week 300k a week yet?
posted on 20/5/12
RC if you honestly believe that... I feel for you.
posted on 20/5/12
Likewise nets spend on transfers - so what?
You have a better net spend than Stoke.
You wouldn't ever say Arsenal don't spend more money than Stoke would you The penny drops.
posted on 20/5/12
higher wages have nothing to do with getting the best players and keeping some of the ones you already have
===========
Which "best players" have we got?
As for keeping, Nasri, Flamini, Clichy, Hleb, etc. Even when we were winning PL titles players left, Overmars, Anelka, Petit etc, for bigger money.
And no, our highest paid player earns just 10k more than yours by all accounts, hardly a telling difference.
posted on 20/5/12
You wouldn't ever say Arsenal don't spend more money than Stoke would you The penny drops.
========
But Spurs DO spend more than Arsenal.
Last 5 years, for example, Spurs spent £243m, Arsenal £85.
Get it yet?
posted on 20/5/12
Yes, the rules changed 7 years ago. They have remained that way ever since and they always will do.
Do you think if Arsenal had finished 4th the rules would have changed again?
Because that seems to be what you're getting at, and if you truly believe that, I honestly feel sorry for you that you're so blind to your own team's failings.
posted on 20/5/12
D'Jeezus Mackaroni ** Laughing at the Shadow Dwellers again...
You wouldn't ever say Arsenal don't spend more money than Stoke would you The penny drops.
========
But Spurs DO spend more than Arsenal.
Last 5 years, for example, Spurs spent £243m, Arsenal £85.
So let`s get this right Spurs have spent £243 million in the past 5 years, and their current team whom have been in the main playing together for the past five years is costed at a little over or under £50 million depending on whom plays, so where are the other players that cost close to £183 million.
Your nose is getting bigger by the days, telling all these porkies.
posted on 20/5/12
Sandy, ffs... how many times do I have to post the link. Are you so in denial that you refuse to look at it??
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html
posted on 20/5/12
• Robin.V.Per.M • (
It`s a fact that Arsenal are probably the 3rd or 4th highest spenders on wages in the country.
Spurs wage bill is dwarfed by Arsenals. But then wages are not part of costs are they.
posted on 20/5/12
Prove it Sandy. Post a link to every player at Arsenals wages, and same for Spurs players..
posted on 20/5/12
D'Jeezus Mackaroni ** Laughing at the Shadow Dwellers again...
I want you to tell me. Links can be very misleading.
The last link I checked said that Arsenal were coming up to 8 years without a trophy, and had never won the CL, but with all you Arsenal supporters invading our board giving it large, no way can that be true can it.
posted on 20/5/12
Players Purchased
Fee
Players Sold
Fee
Net Total
Season 11/12
Brad Friedel
Free
Jamie O'Hara
£5,000,000
Cristian Ceballos
Free
Jonathan Woodgate
Free
Souleymane Coulibaly
£2,000,000
Paul-José Mpoku
Undisclosed
Yago Falqué
Undisclosed
Robbie Keane
£4,350,000
Scott Parker
£6,000,000
Alan Hutton
£4,000,000
Callum Tapping
Nominal
Peter Crouch
£10,000,000
Wilson Palacios
£8,000,000
Roman Pavlyuchenk
£8,000,000
Nouha Dicko
Free
Total
£8,000,000
£35,000,000
-£27,000,000
Season 10/11
Sandro Raniere
£6,000,000[1]
Lee Butcher
Free
William Gallas
Free
Sam Cox
Free
Rafael Van Der Vaart
£8,000,000
Adel Taarabt
£1,000,000
Bongani Khumalo
£1,500,000
Dorian Dervite
Free
Steven Pienaar
£3,000,000
Total
£18,500,000
£1,000,000
£17,500,000
Season 09/10
Kyle Naughton
£5,000,000[2]
David Hutton
Undisclosed
Kyle Walker
£3,000,000[3]
Danny Hutchins
Free
Peter Crouch
£9,000,000
Didier Zokora
£7,750,000
Sebastien Bassong
£8,000,000
Chris Gunter
£1,750,000
Niko Kranjcar
£2,000,000
Darren Bent
£16,500,000
Jimmy Walker
Free
Pascal Chimbonda
£3,000,000
Younes Kaboul
£5,000,000
Kevin-Prince Boaten
£4,000,000
Tomas Pekhart
Free
Troy Henville
Undisclosed
Total
£32,000,000
£33,000,000
-£1,000,000
Season 08/09
Vedran Corluka
£8,500,000
Paul Robinson
£3,500,000
Heurelho Gomes
£10,000,000
Pascal Chimbonda
Undisclosed
Robbie Keane
£12,000,000
Robbie Keane
£19,000,000
Cesar Sanchez
Undisclosed
Anthony Gardener
£2,500,000
Jermain Defoe
£15,000,000
Steed Malbranque
£7,000,000
Wilson Palacios
£12,000,000
Younes Kaboul
£5,000,000
Carlo Cudicini
Free
Young Pyo Lee
Undisclosed
Pascal Chimbonda
Signed
Dimitar Berbatov
£30,750,000
Roman Pavlyuchenko
£14,000,000[4]
Andy Barcham
Free
David Bentley
£15,000,000
Charlie Daniels
Free
John Bostock
£700,000
Hossam Ghaly
Free
Cesar Sanchez
Signed
Teemu Tainio
Undisclosed
Total
£87,200,000
£67,750,000
£19,450,000
Season 07/08
Giovani
£4,700,000
Radek Cerny
Free
Luka Modric
£16,600,000
Jermain Defoe
£7,500,000
Gilberto
£2,000,000
Wayne Routledge
£1,250,000
Alan Hutton
£9,000,000
Lee Barnard
Free
Jonathan Woodgate
£8,000,000
Philip Ifil
Signed
Chris Gunter
£2,000,000
Danny Murphy
Signed
Kevin Boateng
£5,400,000
Ahmed Mido
£6,000,000
Danny Rose
£1,000,000
Charlie Daniels
Signed
Emil Hallfredsson
Nominal
posted on 20/5/12
Wincollgooner - Have we signed someone?
Do you think if Arsenal had finished 4th the rules would have changed again?
They changed the rules in 1913, and Arsenal were mysteriously promoted despite finishing 6th.
posted on 20/5/12
And you are right, links can be misleading.
I read one that said Spurs had a better squad than Arsenal,
posted on 20/5/12
ps, why do you keep changing your username Sandy? Do you keep embarrassing yourself?
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