It gets worse the more you read about it.
"Initially, UEFA said there was nothing that could be done.[11] But after a ground swell of support for Liverpool’s inclusion, UEFA seemed to soften its stance."
In other words, the 'rules' were changed because Liverpool were able to put enough pressure on them to change the,.
"If the UEFA Cup title-holder does not qualify for either the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Cup through its domestic competitions, its participation in the UEFA Cup will not be at the expense of the contingent of its association."
In other words, UEFA don't even prefer the new rules because if they did they would of made the change to the UEFA Cup too.
"And as for your "if Arsenal finished 4th, they'd be livid" argument, I for one wouldn't be"
You are a liar And we also note you are no longer going for the 'rules are the rules' argument now it's all been exposed.
The reason it was possible and easy to do was because TNS put their place up for grabs.
Made sense to them, as they made a fair bit of money out of it and realistically had no chance of progression in CL.
RC, We might aswell atleast try and appeal. I hope Levy is in the process of doing this. Rules were rules when Liverpool appealed and they got their way so we should go down that route. I guarantee we would't get the same treatment though .........I would love to know if this was Barcelona and wonder what the outcome would be.
You really are a bitter moron aren't you?
The problem in 2005 wasn't that Everton hadn't qualified, it was that we hadn't and they didn't want to devalue the competition by not having the previous Champions there, so they made a one-off exception and allowed us to compete despite not qualifying through the league.
It was a situation they hadn't even considered and they realised there was a problem so they tried to do the right thing and allowed both teams in.
Since then they've clarified the rules to prevent the same cóck-up from happening again, and what has taken place this weekend is very clearly defined in the rules.
End result: Spurs don't qualify.
It's not a global conspiracy to keep the small clubs down, so get over it you absolute chump.
Herr RC
So who makes the decision to include Chelsea... UEFA or the Premier League?
D'Jeezus Mackaroni ** Laughing at the Shadow Dwellers again...
football stinks, I am arguing because you are wrong.
I wouldn't be ranting or raving now if it was Arsenal in 4th, I know the rules.
Your arguing on our board and it was Spurs that finished 4th, so don`t give me all that rubbish.
UEFA do.
The rules were only changed to kick out the 4th place English team from CL qualification (if a non-top 4 side wins the competition) after a Pool lobbying campaign, after they won the trophy. My reading on this now is that the FA have absolutely no say in this at all but they prefer the old system to make the PL more competitive.
Btw DJ, with regards to the TNS situation, they did over us a playoff but UEFA refused and kicked out some Lithuanian(?) team instead, because I think they were the lowest rank team in the competition.
Strangely enough, unless you believe in conspiracy theories and warm balls, we happened to draw them in the first qualifying round anyway
The Lithuanian team that got kicked out have a lot more to feel aggrieved about than the Spurs fans. This is embarrassing.
comment by Herr RC - the Doktor (U12904)
posted 12 minutes ago
Don, they are genuinely furious at the suggestion Spurs have been hard done by
Here is an absolutely undeniable piece of evidence the rules are changed (and mean nothing) if a richer bigger club does not qualify in controversial circumstances - and they hate even hearing it
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No the rules were changed because for the first time the winners had failed to qualify, nothing to do with size or money.
Didi Hamann? He did doe twice didn't he doe? ** Rafa is not the way forward
Basically we are not arguing that the rules are the rules, but there were rules in place when Liverpool looked like they would miss out, but they changed them for them, so why cannot they change them for Spurs.
Seems like some clubs they change the rules for, and others they do not.
Wow just reading some of the arguments from the spurs fans.
Makes me value my intelligence a little bit more- thank God I have some.
Liverpool winning it- like Chelsea winning - from outside the top 4 was regarded as an anomaly and seen as deeply 'unfair' they weren't allowed to compete next season in it. Now the anomaly is the English side that finishes 4th doesn't qualify, which is unfair. The issue is why the rules were changed for Liverpool, but not Spurs
Money and lobbying.
See for yourself Didi, the rules were 100% clear. Liverpool did NOT qualify for the CL. The rules were changed and special dispensation was given. Dunno why some of you are fighting this reality so hard.
Ok, so there it is. Our gripe is with UEFA and we all know about their bureaucratic style of doing things.
I guess that is is back to the drawing board, with the right signings we can hopefully compete.We should have a fuller squad and I really hope that we are prepared long before the first game of the eseason with our signings...
RC, I give up mate, it's like talking to f ucking brick wall, none of them understand because it's not their club in this situation. It's nothing about being "intelligent" here, it's one rule for one another for the other. We are looking at why Liverpool were allowed to just change the rules and gain a place in the CL whilst we are on the recieving end of this absurd rule.
T K o T. fortuna semper se celat (U6646)
you're wrong it happened in spain with madrid.
Herr RC
To be perfectly honest, even though the rules were in place this season, there is nothing wrong in Spurs appealing on the grounds of serious loss of income, and if they made a precedent of changing the rules for Liverpool, then they would have to change the rules again for Spurs. I am sure a few of our lawyers could have field day with UEFA.
On another note there are some new laws in place on clubs not being able to over spend, how many of the top clubs are going to abide by those laws.
We are looking at why Liverpool were allowed to just change the rules and gain a place in the CL whilst we are on the recieving end of this absurd rule.
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Because we won the competition and deserved the right to defend our trophy, Spurs haven't even played in the competition.
How can none of grasp the vast difference in these two situations?
Don completely agree with you, it's like talking with kids.
"The rules are there"... they would be gutted if it was them.
The argument it that the rules are unfair and there is precedent that suggests that it has been changed in the past. I would like to see if spurs do appeal.
add912
T K o T. fortuna semper se celat (U6646)
you're wrong it happened in spain with madrid.
So it is happening but only for certain clubs. Lawyers go to work.
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Germinated. Summing all day on here hardly makes you intelligent
"Because we won the competition and deserved the right to defend our trophy, Spurs haven't even played in the competition.
How can none of grasp the vast difference in these two situations?"
Right, i agree that you should be able to defend it BUT the rules were the rules and you knew this before. This is all the s hit that we are getting from you guys so the same applies to you. You knew the rules before you won it but felt the need to appeal because you felt it was unfair. We are in exactly the same position, we feel we deserve to be in the CL because we got into the top 4 which should get you a champions league spot, we are in the exact same position as you were when you won it, how difficult is that to grasp
Okay you 5pud2. I'll give you what you want.
Have a . Nobody likes Tottenham. You are the best team in the world. In fact, you are so good, UEFA have tried to put you at a disadvantage after you bottled a 13 point lead to finish below 3 other teams (even though you are the best team in the world ). This will be a severe test of your mental strength.
Have another .
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posted on 20/5/12
It gets worse the more you read about it.
"Initially, UEFA said there was nothing that could be done.[11] But after a ground swell of support for Liverpool’s inclusion, UEFA seemed to soften its stance."
In other words, the 'rules' were changed because Liverpool were able to put enough pressure on them to change the,.
"If the UEFA Cup title-holder does not qualify for either the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Cup through its domestic competitions, its participation in the UEFA Cup will not be at the expense of the contingent of its association."
In other words, UEFA don't even prefer the new rules because if they did they would of made the change to the UEFA Cup too.
posted on 20/5/12
"And as for your "if Arsenal finished 4th, they'd be livid" argument, I for one wouldn't be"
You are a liar And we also note you are no longer going for the 'rules are the rules' argument now it's all been exposed.
posted on 20/5/12
The reason it was possible and easy to do was because TNS put their place up for grabs.
Made sense to them, as they made a fair bit of money out of it and realistically had no chance of progression in CL.
posted on 20/5/12
RC, We might aswell atleast try and appeal. I hope Levy is in the process of doing this. Rules were rules when Liverpool appealed and they got their way so we should go down that route. I guarantee we would't get the same treatment though .........I would love to know if this was Barcelona and wonder what the outcome would be.
posted on 20/5/12
You really are a bitter moron aren't you?
The problem in 2005 wasn't that Everton hadn't qualified, it was that we hadn't and they didn't want to devalue the competition by not having the previous Champions there, so they made a one-off exception and allowed us to compete despite not qualifying through the league.
It was a situation they hadn't even considered and they realised there was a problem so they tried to do the right thing and allowed both teams in.
Since then they've clarified the rules to prevent the same cóck-up from happening again, and what has taken place this weekend is very clearly defined in the rules.
End result: Spurs don't qualify.
It's not a global conspiracy to keep the small clubs down, so get over it you absolute chump.
posted on 20/5/12
Herr RC
So who makes the decision to include Chelsea... UEFA or the Premier League?
posted on 20/5/12
D'Jeezus Mackaroni ** Laughing at the Shadow Dwellers again...
football stinks, I am arguing because you are wrong.
I wouldn't be ranting or raving now if it was Arsenal in 4th, I know the rules.
Your arguing on our board and it was Spurs that finished 4th, so don`t give me all that rubbish.
posted on 20/5/12
UEFA do.
The rules were only changed to kick out the 4th place English team from CL qualification (if a non-top 4 side wins the competition) after a Pool lobbying campaign, after they won the trophy. My reading on this now is that the FA have absolutely no say in this at all but they prefer the old system to make the PL more competitive.
posted on 20/5/12
Btw DJ, with regards to the TNS situation, they did over us a playoff but UEFA refused and kicked out some Lithuanian(?) team instead, because I think they were the lowest rank team in the competition.
Strangely enough, unless you believe in conspiracy theories and warm balls, we happened to draw them in the first qualifying round anyway
The Lithuanian team that got kicked out have a lot more to feel aggrieved about than the Spurs fans. This is embarrassing.
posted on 20/5/12
comment by Herr RC - the Doktor (U12904)
posted 12 minutes ago
Don, they are genuinely furious at the suggestion Spurs have been hard done by
Here is an absolutely undeniable piece of evidence the rules are changed (and mean nothing) if a richer bigger club does not qualify in controversial circumstances - and they hate even hearing it
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
No the rules were changed because for the first time the winners had failed to qualify, nothing to do with size or money.
posted on 20/5/12
Didi Hamann? He did doe twice didn't he doe? ** Rafa is not the way forward
Basically we are not arguing that the rules are the rules, but there were rules in place when Liverpool looked like they would miss out, but they changed them for them, so why cannot they change them for Spurs.
Seems like some clubs they change the rules for, and others they do not.
posted on 20/5/12
Wow just reading some of the arguments from the spurs fans.
Makes me value my intelligence a little bit more- thank God I have some.
posted on 20/5/12
Liverpool winning it- like Chelsea winning - from outside the top 4 was regarded as an anomaly and seen as deeply 'unfair' they weren't allowed to compete next season in it. Now the anomaly is the English side that finishes 4th doesn't qualify, which is unfair. The issue is why the rules were changed for Liverpool, but not Spurs
Money and lobbying.
posted on 20/5/12
See for yourself Didi, the rules were 100% clear. Liverpool did NOT qualify for the CL. The rules were changed and special dispensation was given. Dunno why some of you are fighting this reality so hard.
posted on 20/5/12
Ok, so there it is. Our gripe is with UEFA and we all know about their bureaucratic style of doing things.
I guess that is is back to the drawing board, with the right signings we can hopefully compete.We should have a fuller squad and I really hope that we are prepared long before the first game of the eseason with our signings...
posted on 20/5/12
RC, I give up mate, it's like talking to f ucking brick wall, none of them understand because it's not their club in this situation. It's nothing about being "intelligent" here, it's one rule for one another for the other. We are looking at why Liverpool were allowed to just change the rules and gain a place in the CL whilst we are on the recieving end of this absurd rule.
posted on 20/5/12
T K o T. fortuna semper se celat (U6646)
you're wrong it happened in spain with madrid.
posted on 20/5/12
Herr RC
To be perfectly honest, even though the rules were in place this season, there is nothing wrong in Spurs appealing on the grounds of serious loss of income, and if they made a precedent of changing the rules for Liverpool, then they would have to change the rules again for Spurs. I am sure a few of our lawyers could have field day with UEFA.
On another note there are some new laws in place on clubs not being able to over spend, how many of the top clubs are going to abide by those laws.
posted on 20/5/12
We are looking at why Liverpool were allowed to just change the rules and gain a place in the CL whilst we are on the recieving end of this absurd rule.
===================================
Because we won the competition and deserved the right to defend our trophy, Spurs haven't even played in the competition.
How can none of grasp the vast difference in these two situations?
posted on 20/5/12
Don completely agree with you, it's like talking with kids.
"The rules are there"... they would be gutted if it was them.
The argument it that the rules are unfair and there is precedent that suggests that it has been changed in the past. I would like to see if spurs do appeal.
posted on 20/5/12
add912
T K o T. fortuna semper se celat (U6646)
you're wrong it happened in spain with madrid.
So it is happening but only for certain clubs. Lawyers go to work.
posted on 20/5/12
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posted on 20/5/12
Germinated. Summing all day on here hardly makes you intelligent
posted on 20/5/12
"Because we won the competition and deserved the right to defend our trophy, Spurs haven't even played in the competition.
How can none of grasp the vast difference in these two situations?"
Right, i agree that you should be able to defend it BUT the rules were the rules and you knew this before. This is all the s hit that we are getting from you guys so the same applies to you. You knew the rules before you won it but felt the need to appeal because you felt it was unfair. We are in exactly the same position, we feel we deserve to be in the CL because we got into the top 4 which should get you a champions league spot, we are in the exact same position as you were when you won it, how difficult is that to grasp
posted on 20/5/12
Okay you 5pud2. I'll give you what you want.
Have a . Nobody likes Tottenham. You are the best team in the world. In fact, you are so good, UEFA have tried to put you at a disadvantage after you bottled a 13 point lead to finish below 3 other teams (even though you are the best team in the world ). This will be a severe test of your mental strength.
Have another .
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