With all these wages and signing fees I can't see how Chelsea can afford it especially when the club are making massive losses anyway. Surely if the ffp rules are to be applied then Chelsea are gonna be in some serious trouble.
We've seen similar odds for Hazard, Nasri, Ozil, Sneijder, Benzema etc. Dosent mean much.
____________________________
True, but there's one thing in common regarding all those players, we ACTUALLY tried to sign them i.e. there was truth in the rumours
We just so happened to get outbid/snubbed. With modric, I dont see many teams being interested.
Only Chelsea and I dont think they will go all out seeing as though theyv already spent close to £100mil
Think he'd be a good fit. Not sure he'll go for less than 30M though!
Also clubs making losses were meant to show they meant to address things. Spending over £100mil on players would surely show they are not.
Would Modric-Carrick CM partnerhsip even work?
Both play the same/similar role IMO. Not enough physical presence in there for my liking.
Having said that, Modric and Carrick sitting deep, keeping posession with Kagawa, Nani/Valencia/Young, Rooney interchanging up top does look mouth watering
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
Garza - that's an assumption you are making as far as I've read. The authorities haven't stated exact sanctions for each scenario and will judge each case on its merits. Many clubs are waiting to see if the authorities strictly enforce the rules because if they don't then the whole thing is pointless. I would certainly expect a club to be suspended from Europe if as you are suggesting they spent 100m plus over the break even target with a casual expectation they'll just get some nominal fine.
"Would Modric-Carrick CM partnerhsip even work?"
The Scholes-Carrick partnership of a few years ago was the arguably best i've seen for United (yes, I honestly think it rivalled Scholes-Keane)
Reason being that they are both extremely intelligent players who know how to keep possesion. Same goes for Modric. And in any case, Carrick is more capable of getting stuck in then he is given credit for.
I thought the clubs had already had their warnings.
A fine? does it say on what scale?
How can they deduct points?
After that things start to get a bit serious.
I personally don't think Levy will work with you again after the Berbatov saga unless you put in a really big bid in which i can't see happening. I can't see you going anything over 25million for Modric, which means you won't get him because spurs certainly won't even entertain anything less than 30mil. People seem to forget that Modric is still on a long term contract. If we decide the price ain't right then Modric will once again have to like it or lump it. Levy's tactic is what every team should do and is how you should treat spoilt brat footballers when they throw their toys out the prem. I think Modric will go but it won't be to an english club.
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
strootman or modric, who would fit our system more? Strootman would offer us the drive so much likened to that of roy keane and steven Gerrard. He's got a good shot on him and again, he offers the physical presence we've been lacking for so long. One could argue that our best piece of play came when scholes and carrick came together and outplayed most teams; they didn't offer much in terms of physical presence did they?
Modric on the other hand can hold posession in tight spaces and with vidic in the team, you could argue that we don't need any more 'bullies'.
Modric Carrick
Valencia/Nani Kagawa Young
Rooney
looks good to me.
Sorry gazza but FFP is not a gentlemans agreement, it's a financial obligation.
As I said in my first reply you are making an assumption that a blatant disregard of the rules to the extent that 100m plus is spent over and above the target will just get a slap on the wrists and a fine. No one knows what sanctions uefa will enforce for such a breach that's the pt, but I'm simply saying I would personally expect a much harsher penalty than a fine for something so blatant, ott, and showing no attempt to meet their obligation.
If a club was trying to meet their obligation but fell short then that's very different from two fingers up and an attitude of we'll spend what we want as you won't do anything to us until we've continually broken the rules for years. No one knows obviously but my money is they won't be so lenient that it makes the rules pointless from day 1
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 20 minutes ago
"Would Modric-Carrick CM partnerhsip even work?"
The Scholes-Carrick partnership of a few years ago was the arguably best i've seen for United (yes, I honestly think it rivalled Scholes-Keane)
Reason being that they are both extremely intelligent players who know how to keep possesion.
____________________
Really? I personally think Keane was second to none at keeping possession. An extremely intelligent and unselfish player. Nearly always played the right pass, controlled the tempo, etc. Plus he probably won the ball for us in the first place...
Imo Carrick does for us pretty much what Keane did, except that Keane did a whole lot more besides that. That's no disrespect to Carrick, he just ain't in the same league as one of the best CMs I've ever seen.
This year isn't the debut of ffp. It's already started and last summers activity counted.
Secondly if a player did a Kung fu kick and took someone's head off then the authorities wouldn't say oh well it's his first offence we'll just warn him. You seem to be mixing up the severity of a breach with the number of offences and assuming the latter is much more important than the former and will take total precedence
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
My mate at work has a theory - he believes that The Sun is the most reliable paper for transfer news as they will have wire taps in all the clubs!
Melbourne Red
Are you implying that the News of the World was not the only paper involved in widespread illegal invasions of privacy, but that it may have been general practice across all News International titles?
Maybe you should add a legal disclaimer. Rupert's people may well be reading this website!
Gazza you are missing the pt a bit.
I was simply responding to your assertion that roman can spend whatever he wants this summer and beyond including at least several 30-40m players because no matter how much he flaunts FFP and totally ignores the clubs obligation that uefa will simply fine him for a first offence.
I'm just saying that's one he'll of an assumption and if a club did do the polar opposite of the rules and breached them to the maximum amount then IMO it's more likely that a more severe punishment would be handed out I.e. the severity of the breach would relate to the punishment.
A first time offence may be factored into the punishment but if any club did 3 years of wild spending not caring about FFP at all then I think they'd be dumb to expect an insignificant punishment. The other clubs would up in arms and FFP would die immediately if there was just a fine to a billionaire.
FFP is not just about transfer fees. How on earth will Chelsea reduce its already staggering wage bill by signing 4-5 top players on 5 year contracts? Over that period the wages will be far greater than the transfer fees.
I.e. these signing don't just affect Chelsea this year, they affect the balance sheet for the next 5 years.
Sign in if you want to comment
According to The Sun - Modric
Page 3 of 3
posted on 8/6/12
With all these wages and signing fees I can't see how Chelsea can afford it especially when the club are making massive losses anyway. Surely if the ffp rules are to be applied then Chelsea are gonna be in some serious trouble.
posted on 8/6/12
We've seen similar odds for Hazard, Nasri, Ozil, Sneijder, Benzema etc. Dosent mean much.
____________________________
True, but there's one thing in common regarding all those players, we ACTUALLY tried to sign them i.e. there was truth in the rumours
We just so happened to get outbid/snubbed. With modric, I dont see many teams being interested.
Only Chelsea and I dont think they will go all out seeing as though theyv already spent close to £100mil
posted on 8/6/12
Think he'd be a good fit. Not sure he'll go for less than 30M though!
posted on 8/6/12
Also clubs making losses were meant to show they meant to address things. Spending over £100mil on players would surely show they are not.
posted on 8/6/12
Would Modric-Carrick CM partnerhsip even work?
Both play the same/similar role IMO. Not enough physical presence in there for my liking.
Having said that, Modric and Carrick sitting deep, keeping posession with Kagawa, Nani/Valencia/Young, Rooney interchanging up top does look mouth watering
posted on 8/6/12
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 8/6/12
Garza - that's an assumption you are making as far as I've read. The authorities haven't stated exact sanctions for each scenario and will judge each case on its merits. Many clubs are waiting to see if the authorities strictly enforce the rules because if they don't then the whole thing is pointless. I would certainly expect a club to be suspended from Europe if as you are suggesting they spent 100m plus over the break even target with a casual expectation they'll just get some nominal fine.
posted on 8/6/12
"Would Modric-Carrick CM partnerhsip even work?"
The Scholes-Carrick partnership of a few years ago was the arguably best i've seen for United (yes, I honestly think it rivalled Scholes-Keane)
Reason being that they are both extremely intelligent players who know how to keep possesion. Same goes for Modric. And in any case, Carrick is more capable of getting stuck in then he is given credit for.
posted on 8/6/12
I thought the clubs had already had their warnings.
A fine? does it say on what scale?
How can they deduct points?
After that things start to get a bit serious.
posted on 8/6/12
I personally don't think Levy will work with you again after the Berbatov saga unless you put in a really big bid in which i can't see happening. I can't see you going anything over 25million for Modric, which means you won't get him because spurs certainly won't even entertain anything less than 30mil. People seem to forget that Modric is still on a long term contract. If we decide the price ain't right then Modric will once again have to like it or lump it. Levy's tactic is what every team should do and is how you should treat spoilt brat footballers when they throw their toys out the prem. I think Modric will go but it won't be to an english club.
posted on 8/6/12
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 8/6/12
strootman or modric, who would fit our system more? Strootman would offer us the drive so much likened to that of roy keane and steven Gerrard. He's got a good shot on him and again, he offers the physical presence we've been lacking for so long. One could argue that our best piece of play came when scholes and carrick came together and outplayed most teams; they didn't offer much in terms of physical presence did they?
Modric on the other hand can hold posession in tight spaces and with vidic in the team, you could argue that we don't need any more 'bullies'.
Modric Carrick
Valencia/Nani Kagawa Young
Rooney
looks good to me.
posted on 8/6/12
Sorry gazza but FFP is not a gentlemans agreement, it's a financial obligation.
As I said in my first reply you are making an assumption that a blatant disregard of the rules to the extent that 100m plus is spent over and above the target will just get a slap on the wrists and a fine. No one knows what sanctions uefa will enforce for such a breach that's the pt, but I'm simply saying I would personally expect a much harsher penalty than a fine for something so blatant, ott, and showing no attempt to meet their obligation.
If a club was trying to meet their obligation but fell short then that's very different from two fingers up and an attitude of we'll spend what we want as you won't do anything to us until we've continually broken the rules for years. No one knows obviously but my money is they won't be so lenient that it makes the rules pointless from day 1
posted on 8/6/12
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 8/6/12
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 8/6/12
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 20 minutes ago
"Would Modric-Carrick CM partnerhsip even work?"
The Scholes-Carrick partnership of a few years ago was the arguably best i've seen for United (yes, I honestly think it rivalled Scholes-Keane)
Reason being that they are both extremely intelligent players who know how to keep possesion.
____________________
Really? I personally think Keane was second to none at keeping possession. An extremely intelligent and unselfish player. Nearly always played the right pass, controlled the tempo, etc. Plus he probably won the ball for us in the first place...
Imo Carrick does for us pretty much what Keane did, except that Keane did a whole lot more besides that. That's no disrespect to Carrick, he just ain't in the same league as one of the best CMs I've ever seen.
posted on 8/6/12
This year isn't the debut of ffp. It's already started and last summers activity counted.
Secondly if a player did a Kung fu kick and took someone's head off then the authorities wouldn't say oh well it's his first offence we'll just warn him. You seem to be mixing up the severity of a breach with the number of offences and assuming the latter is much more important than the former and will take total precedence
posted on 8/6/12
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 8/6/12
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 8/6/12
My mate at work has a theory - he believes that The Sun is the most reliable paper for transfer news as they will have wire taps in all the clubs!
posted on 8/6/12
Melbourne Red
Are you implying that the News of the World was not the only paper involved in widespread illegal invasions of privacy, but that it may have been general practice across all News International titles?
Maybe you should add a legal disclaimer. Rupert's people may well be reading this website!
posted on 8/6/12
Gazza you are missing the pt a bit.
I was simply responding to your assertion that roman can spend whatever he wants this summer and beyond including at least several 30-40m players because no matter how much he flaunts FFP and totally ignores the clubs obligation that uefa will simply fine him for a first offence.
I'm just saying that's one he'll of an assumption and if a club did do the polar opposite of the rules and breached them to the maximum amount then IMO it's more likely that a more severe punishment would be handed out I.e. the severity of the breach would relate to the punishment.
A first time offence may be factored into the punishment but if any club did 3 years of wild spending not caring about FFP at all then I think they'd be dumb to expect an insignificant punishment. The other clubs would up in arms and FFP would die immediately if there was just a fine to a billionaire.
posted on 8/6/12
FFP is not just about transfer fees. How on earth will Chelsea reduce its already staggering wage bill by signing 4-5 top players on 5 year contracts? Over that period the wages will be far greater than the transfer fees.
I.e. these signing don't just affect Chelsea this year, they affect the balance sheet for the next 5 years.
Page 3 of 3