How on earth do you expect to be taken seriously HH. I wish I was in agreement with you. I don't dislike you and I am not inept enough to have to throw insults. Sadly I live in a world of relegation and defeat. The real one.

How is saying i think your a wind-up merchant an insult?

Also you keep contradicting yourself, saying there are no lines to read between, then saying you are intelligent and reading between them. Make your mind up.

Also you keep contradicting yourself, saying there are no lines to read between, then saying you are intelligent and reading between them. Make your mind up.

Sorry that doesn't make sense explain

Sadly I live in a world of relegation and defeat.

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Thats depressing. I'd hate to hear your bedtime stories Petrov haha

I know a good one about a man that could not manage but it too ends in relegation. I think you know it

I said before, that you read my comments, and try and twist them so that you can say im pro-coyle, trying to find a hidden agenda.

Rather than reading the comment, and processing it, you read it, and see how my opinion on a matter, may affect Owen Coyle. Then you respond.

Such as, I believe that fans shouldnt focus too much on friendlies as they are far too different than competitive fixtures...but this is me apparently making an excuse for Coyle.

HH and Petrov - sometimes in life you just have to agree to disagree, shake hands and walk away.

What's the point of a forum if you all agree

I mean on this particular discussion about reading between the lines. There will be plenty more to debate in the months ahead.

LH - spot on with the 'trend' point you make. But it is pre-season. I'm sure you have taken a different stance on Nuts.
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No, I haven't actually.

This summer had to be the change.

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No, he has to get it right during the actual season. It doesn't matter how are pre-season goes if he gets it right starting August 18th. I'm saying - so far - it doesn't look good, but ultimately we have to reserve judgment.

If we're 9 points away from 6th place by the end of October, it's cheerio to Owen for me. That is my benchmark.

LH I know we differ on our opinion of coyle but today must have shown how even if a stance like bricks or mine is hard to understand at times a flat out refusal to see anything may be wrong is damn near as difficult to take

if you play at the intensity of a competitive match, theres a chance that you get a situation like Chung Yong Lee.
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Oh no, that makes no sense whatsoever.

Chung Yong Lee was hacked at by an opponent.

This isnt an excuse, because i have no reason to try and excuse a pointless game where the result has no effect on our season, nor has it any importance whatsoever
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HH do you understand the difference between 'result' and 'performance' or not? You don't seem to.

I think people should take no notice of ricketts article as its simply excuses with nothing we did not know already.

I would look at Marc illes summary of pre season for a more balanced view

Im not wrong, im right, which is why friendly matches are so dull. There is no intensity, or very little. Think about when someone scores, they just turn and go back to the centre-circle, maybe give a few high fives. No celebration as there is no competitive edge at all.
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You're totally missing the point. We have played 4 weaker teams and not won any of them and not kept a clean sheet in any of them.

These other weaker teams were also playing with less intensity.

4 games is enough to say, there is a trend. We are not playing well. We are achieving poor results. We are frail at the back. You keep saying it makes no difference to you and that history suggests pre-season results are not a reliable indicator of what happens in competitive games, but the signs are not good. I'm not saying sack Coyle or it's the end of the world, I'm saying, this is NOT a good sign of a successful season to come.

You were breaking out the injury list in the first half today, HH. This isn't a good trend in your posts, either.

Did my match thread live up to your standards?

LH - you have been saying that pre-season results don't matter on Nuts. That is all I was referring to mate.

Petrov - no-one on here has 'a flat out refusal to admit nothing is wrong'. Yours and Brick's opinions are valid because that is what this site is all about. But the personal stuff always starts from your side of the line - at least when directed towards me.

I am not personal to you or HH and as for starts the wum comment came from your side.

LH I know we differ on our opinion of coyle but today must have shown how even if a stance like bricks or mine is hard to understand at times a flat out refusal to see anything may be wrong is damn near as difficult to take
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I think there's HH and Moses at one end of a spectrum and you and Bricks at another, with the rest of us somewhere in the middle. I think all four of you need a reality check of one kind or another though, from time to time. You've said the same to me in the past of course. At least 3 out of 4 of you are honest and genuine though.

Well he is to being honest and genuine (or not)

LH - best comment of the night. I'm effing rolling on the floor!!!!!

Did my match thread live up to your standards?
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I don't have any standards, so long as there is one, I am happy. I only started doing them every game once it became clear that sometimes nobody takes it upon themselves... kind of chicken and egg. You didn't post the teams though, which was a bit poo.

I think benny and nuns give me a run for my money in not rating coyle

Petrov - i'm not on a side. have you not got that yet??? Why do you think MT and I are now sorted!!!!