Sorry but your facts hold absolutely no water. After all he could have avoided the whole scenario by bombing out in a early round. Also why bother battling for four and a half hours with Del Potro to win through if he didn't want that win badly. Plus the loss (Federer's heaviest at Wimbledon) sorry but Rog doesn't like being beaten in any matches. I even hear he cries if he loses at tiddlywinks. So dream on Gullit and applaud the Olympic Champion and duel Olympic medallist.
"(Federer's heaviest at Wimbledon)"
Incorrect,the loss came at the Olympics,not Wimbledon
he did let murray win it was obvious.
federer is a nice chap - he just rinsed murray in the wimbledon final and reduced him to tears-he couldnt do it again, i reckon he was ok settling for Silver...
Oh dear the brain-dead and Murray-haters really getting desperate eh?
Err Vee-jay the venue was Wimbledon was it not?
Let's see now Federer decided to enter a tournament he neither cared for or wanted to win. And to show that he fought back in the First Round to continue his physical torture and then put himself through a further four and a half hours of physical torture against Del Potro and was so delighted to win he had tears in his eyes. All for what? To chuck the final? Oh the irony and the illogicality of it all. I need to lie down as my sides are sore from laughing at such a suggestion.
Fed was just annoyed he had to wear the team kit instead of his tacky bling RF nonsense. So he couldn't be ar$ed
LMAO...brain dead??
It seems the only brain dead person here is yourself
The venue may have been Wimbledon but it was the Olympics not Wimbledon the tournament
Murray has never beaten Federer at Wimbledon,he beat Federer at the Olympics - get it right!
Can you not just celebrate the victory for what it is,is it not enough?
Why do you still feel the need to build it up to be something its not?
The Olympics isn't on par with a grand slam,least of all Wimbledon,the Olympics doesnt = Wimbledon,they are 2 very separate very different tournaments
Murray didn't win 7 best of 5 sets matches in a row to win the gold medal,he only won 1 best of 5 sets match,the rest were best of 3 sets and it was only 6 rounds ,not 7
Geeze Craig,I guess desperate times calls of desperate measures...LMAO!!
First of all I'm not a Murray hater. If I was I would have laughed at his crying after the Wimbledon defeat but I actually felt sorry for him.
I also do not care for Tennis at the Olympics because it is not a real Olympic sport IMO, just like the football so I'm not bothered who wins.
What I do strongly believe, is that Fed threw the match against Murray (or at least did not give it his all). I can certainly guarantee that if that was a grand slam final at Wimbledon, Fed would have beaten Murray.
The reason why he never threw the game vs Del Potro is because Murrays match vs Djokovic was LATER in the day so there was no guarantee in Feds mind that Murray would win. So just incase Murray never defeated Djokovic, Fed made sure to win his Semi and guarantee himself at least a silver medal.
If I was as dominant as Federer has been and reduced someone like Murray to tears in front of his home crowd with the additional fact that I have won so many majors, would make it easy for me to lay off and let the boy win an Olympic gold in his home nation.
After all people generally remember Olympic legends such as Bolt, Ennis, Hoy etc for their during the games. Tennis players will only be remembered for their grand slam victories.
"Andy Murray regularly beats Federer and has done so throughout his career. "
but he has failed in slams
Athletes have been disqualified for not giving their all in some events
Should Fed be stripped off his medal for not trying in the final?
Veejay where am I making it into something that it isn't? I have yet to see anyone on this thread have the good grace to accept defeat for Roger in the Olympic Final and post on the other thread to congratulate Murray. I really find that pathetic do you not? A month ago amidst my disappointment when Murray lost against the same player I was gracious enough to offer my congratulations without feeling a desperate need to make excuses. Sadly, it would seem Fed fans lack that grace. It really is just a case of the best player won in the day with BOTH players desperate for the win and BOTH trying and for anyone to suggest otherwise is an insult to the Olympics (and a disqualifiable offence), an insult to the Olympic Champion and an insult to the GOAT Roger Federer. It really is amusing listening to the bitter people here.they actually truly believe that Federer wasnt too fussed about winning a Gold medal - something he doesnt have but his long time rival Rafael Nadal has. Anyways I will not hold my breath waiting for warped posters here to post unequivocal congratulations to Andy Murray on the appropriate thread. Pretty sad really and sums up what I have realised for around eight years - hatred blinds people.even if Andy wins a slam these people/idiots wont change. No credit and more pathetic excuses.
well done andy, easy so easy
"Veejay where am I making it into something that it isn't?"
You claimed that Murray handed Federer his worst defeat at Wimbledon.The loss came at the Olympics not Wimbledon.
Everyone knows Wimbledon is the greatest tournament a tennis player could ever win,its worth more then any other grand slam.Just ask Lendl who openly admitted he would be willing to trade in all his titles for a single Wimbledon title
The olympics isn't even on par with a master series title,as many of those titles not only have a far richer history and prestige in tennis then the Olympics where tennis has only become a part of the games a few Olympic games ago,but more points are up for grabs too
You tried to build Murrays win up but claiming he beat Federer at Wimbledon,it was clearly not enough that he beat Roger at the Olympics so you had to build it up to be something it isn't ( a win at Wimbledon) cause you know deep down inside that Murray could beat Roger to win the next 20 Olympic gold medals,it will still never equal 1 Wimbledon
Regardless your comment is ridiculous anyway cause this is sport were are talking about,if Federer had won there would have been just as big a backlash and as many sore losers as if Djokovic,Nadal or any other player had won.Not everyone will be happy at a sporting results cause not everyone likes the same player,so no matter what the result or outcome there will always be people who react this way
If you look on other threads you will see that not only me but several other people have given Murray his dues.Apart from a few almost everyone who comments on this forum has congratulated him but it seems CaledonianCraig won't be happy unless we all crawl so far up Murrays ass that we all have brown rings around our ankles
As for Federer,if he says he is happy with silver why shouldn't we believe him,has he ever given us a reason to doubt his honesty or integrity?
As for Federer,if he says he is happy with silver why shouldn't we believe him,has he ever given us a reason to doubt his honesty or integrity?
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Tenez seems to think so.
Tenez reckons he lies about being injured.
Personally I don't think Fed is a liar, I found that attitude extremely disrespectful towards Federer actually.
veejay all I am looking for from posters is graciousness and respect.it seems obvious that Fed fans and Murray haters cant even have the decency to just congratulate a player for beating Fed fair and square. However, you wish to paint it the Olympic Games were played on the hallowed turf of Wimbledon and its Centre Court. A surface that Fed loves and it was a best of five match and he got stuffed.Was it Federer at his best? No and I never said it was. However,to try to pretend Roger was not trying or bothered is plain ludicrous. if it is a tournament he couldnt give a stuff about then why enter?He wanted that singles gold medal badly but the better player won on the say.End of story. Sadly,his fans and Murray haters cant take it like men.Grow some balls and post a straight forward congratulations to Andy Murray without the buts and ifs. After all I had the common decency to do it after Wimbledon but it would seem that is beyond others.
CaledonianCraig, you are going a bit too far here, especially towards Vee-Jay.
First, I might be wrong, but I have not seen any of your congratulations towards Fed after he won Wimbledon on this forum and I spent a few minutes looking into all your comments. All I found were sour grapes after Fed won and some posts insulting other posters, saying they are ignorant, when from what I recall from your posts on 606, v2, or here, it could be said the same bout you. Maybe the sour grapes came from the fact that for two weeks you had been hoping for a Murray win as you showed more particularly towards the last weekend of Wimbledon.
Second, Vee-Jay really congratulated Murray on your fan thread, and I cite:
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comment by Vee-jay (U15005)
posted 2 days, 5 hours ago
Murray did the nation proud and deserves all the credit and praise he gets
Crushed for Roger but the no1 ranking,Wimbledon title,silver medal and several other titles this season going into his 31st birthday has been a dream season for whats realistically his final surge
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I am not seeing any if or but, only the fact that Fed still has had a great year with "only" a silver Olympic medal.
Also, I tend to agree with Vee-Jay (maybe as I am a Fed fan too, but surely no Murray hater as I want him to do well and start winning slams) that you are deforming the truth. Would you still say he beat Fed at Wimbledon if this was a practice session, during Wimbledon even, on Wimbledon center court and he beat him in a Bof5? Surely not. So why are you claiming he gave Fed his worst defeat at Wimbledon? If you mean his worst defeat on Wimbledon center court and you'd kindly specify that it was outside of the official Wimbledon tournament, then we'd all agree. But your sentence is defamatory, to say the least.
We can all see you are a real fanatic of Andy Murray, arguably the best tennis player that Scotland and GB ever had (maybe even better than Fred Perry), but YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!
Of course i posted congratulations to Federer after Wimbledon and yes it is on 606v2 if you look for it but no not here as never post that much here. However you want to paint the Olympic Final is up to each persons opinion. One thing that cannot be denied is that for the first time Federer lost in a best of five match against Murray and Murray can only take positives from that.As for my comnents to veejay they were in response to comment about me suggesting that i only want people to kiss Murrays backside or words to that effect. Sorry but that is plain wrong. For many years now I have taken stick when Murray has lost and had the mickey ripped out of me by WUMs but I have remained gracious in defeat. However, a lot of Fed fans really are the sorest of losers perhaps in future I wont be so gracious in defeat because what does it get you? and fair enough veejay congratulated but my comment was more a generalisation.
Why should anyone do anything just because you say so?
Last time I checked we all lived in a free country ,where we are all free to practise our free will,we don't live in a dictatorship where we have to do exactly what you say we should
If some people want to congratulate Murray then let them congratulate him how they want,not how you want and if others don't want do congratulate him-get over it.
There will always be haters no matter who wins.Dont you think its ridiculous how you're allowing them to get under your skin,I mean if someone was making a legitimate argument then I would understand your reaction but you're allowing the most pathetic excuses to get to you
Everyone knows Roger didn't allow Murray to win,you know the truth,I know the truth,so why are you letting it bother you?
Even if the final was played on the green grass courts on the moon,the victory still came at the Olympics not at Wimbledon
If Murray could beat Roger at Wimbledon,he would have but he didn't-so case closed
Imagine if Murray won Wimbledon last month,how would you react if I said Murray beat Roger at the Olympics?(just because the same venue was being used) You would be really offended,carrying worse then you are right now...tell me Im wrong
See...it works both ways but its clear your bias clouds your judgment
@ sphairistike
Thank you!
Fair enough on your first part about letting others get under my skin and the fact that Roger wanted to win and did try. That is basically what I wanted to hear as we know it is the truth.
I am not making this out to be like a slam win as I know it isn't but to try to make it out to be no big deal is also wrong. It was an Olympic Final at Wimbledon on a surface Fed has excelled at time and time again and he was beaten handsomely. Now I know he wasn't at his best but it still represents a win for Murray over five sets against Federer and for that Murray can take a great deal from that. To suggest he won't is just daft. Whether it will help him make that final step in his career to win a slam time will tell. Apologies to you veejay as you were half decent enough to congratulate.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/06/sport/tennis/olympics-tennis-federer-rio/
Allow Craig to enjoy this victory as much as he possibly can,it could after all be the only "major" victory Murray will ever have
Yes you could be right Vee-jay. But hey-ho it looks like he'll end his career with something that Federer doesn't have - an Olympic Singles Gold medal. Not a bad little feather in his cap but lets discuss all this once their careers are over.
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I bet Murray would trade that feather in his cap in for the Wimbledon title and win any day,I seriously doubt Federer would trade in his record tying 7th Wimbledon,record breaking 17th major which gave him his record breaking weeks at no1 in for the gold medal that wouldn't have broken any records had he won it
No record broken by Murrays gold medal either...its not even consolidation for a mediocre under achieving career,just ask Elena Dementieva
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posted on 7/8/12
Sorry but your facts hold absolutely no water. After all he could have avoided the whole scenario by bombing out in a early round. Also why bother battling for four and a half hours with Del Potro to win through if he didn't want that win badly. Plus the loss (Federer's heaviest at Wimbledon) sorry but Rog doesn't like being beaten in any matches. I even hear he cries if he loses at tiddlywinks. So dream on Gullit and applaud the Olympic Champion and duel Olympic medallist.
posted on 7/8/12
"(Federer's heaviest at Wimbledon)"
Incorrect,the loss came at the Olympics,not Wimbledon
posted on 7/8/12
he did let murray win it was obvious.
federer is a nice chap - he just rinsed murray in the wimbledon final and reduced him to tears-he couldnt do it again, i reckon he was ok settling for Silver...
posted on 7/8/12
Oh dear the brain-dead and Murray-haters really getting desperate eh?
Err Vee-jay the venue was Wimbledon was it not?
Let's see now Federer decided to enter a tournament he neither cared for or wanted to win. And to show that he fought back in the First Round to continue his physical torture and then put himself through a further four and a half hours of physical torture against Del Potro and was so delighted to win he had tears in his eyes. All for what? To chuck the final? Oh the irony and the illogicality of it all. I need to lie down as my sides are sore from laughing at such a suggestion.
posted on 7/8/12
Fed was just annoyed he had to wear the team kit instead of his tacky bling RF nonsense. So he couldn't be ar$ed
posted on 7/8/12
LMAO...brain dead??
It seems the only brain dead person here is yourself
The venue may have been Wimbledon but it was the Olympics not Wimbledon the tournament
Murray has never beaten Federer at Wimbledon,he beat Federer at the Olympics - get it right!
Can you not just celebrate the victory for what it is,is it not enough?
Why do you still feel the need to build it up to be something its not?
The Olympics isn't on par with a grand slam,least of all Wimbledon,the Olympics doesnt = Wimbledon,they are 2 very separate very different tournaments
Murray didn't win 7 best of 5 sets matches in a row to win the gold medal,he only won 1 best of 5 sets match,the rest were best of 3 sets and it was only 6 rounds ,not 7
Geeze Craig,I guess desperate times calls of desperate measures...LMAO!!
posted on 7/8/12
First of all I'm not a Murray hater. If I was I would have laughed at his crying after the Wimbledon defeat but I actually felt sorry for him.
I also do not care for Tennis at the Olympics because it is not a real Olympic sport IMO, just like the football so I'm not bothered who wins.
What I do strongly believe, is that Fed threw the match against Murray (or at least did not give it his all). I can certainly guarantee that if that was a grand slam final at Wimbledon, Fed would have beaten Murray.
The reason why he never threw the game vs Del Potro is because Murrays match vs Djokovic was LATER in the day so there was no guarantee in Feds mind that Murray would win. So just incase Murray never defeated Djokovic, Fed made sure to win his Semi and guarantee himself at least a silver medal.
If I was as dominant as Federer has been and reduced someone like Murray to tears in front of his home crowd with the additional fact that I have won so many majors, would make it easy for me to lay off and let the boy win an Olympic gold in his home nation.
After all people generally remember Olympic legends such as Bolt, Ennis, Hoy etc for their during the games. Tennis players will only be remembered for their grand slam victories.
posted on 7/8/12
"Andy Murray regularly beats Federer and has done so throughout his career. "
but he has failed in slams
posted on 7/8/12
Athletes have been disqualified for not giving their all in some events
Should Fed be stripped off his medal for not trying in the final?
posted on 8/8/12
Veejay where am I making it into something that it isn't? I have yet to see anyone on this thread have the good grace to accept defeat for Roger in the Olympic Final and post on the other thread to congratulate Murray. I really find that pathetic do you not? A month ago amidst my disappointment when Murray lost against the same player I was gracious enough to offer my congratulations without feeling a desperate need to make excuses. Sadly, it would seem Fed fans lack that grace. It really is just a case of the best player won in the day with BOTH players desperate for the win and BOTH trying and for anyone to suggest otherwise is an insult to the Olympics (and a disqualifiable offence), an insult to the Olympic Champion and an insult to the GOAT Roger Federer. It really is amusing listening to the bitter people here.they actually truly believe that Federer wasnt too fussed about winning a Gold medal - something he doesnt have but his long time rival Rafael Nadal has. Anyways I will not hold my breath waiting for warped posters here to post unequivocal congratulations to Andy Murray on the appropriate thread. Pretty sad really and sums up what I have realised for around eight years - hatred blinds people.even if Andy wins a slam these people/idiots wont change. No credit and more pathetic excuses.
posted on 8/8/12
well done andy, easy so easy
posted on 8/8/12
"Veejay where am I making it into something that it isn't?"
You claimed that Murray handed Federer his worst defeat at Wimbledon.The loss came at the Olympics not Wimbledon.
Everyone knows Wimbledon is the greatest tournament a tennis player could ever win,its worth more then any other grand slam.Just ask Lendl who openly admitted he would be willing to trade in all his titles for a single Wimbledon title
The olympics isn't even on par with a master series title,as many of those titles not only have a far richer history and prestige in tennis then the Olympics where tennis has only become a part of the games a few Olympic games ago,but more points are up for grabs too
You tried to build Murrays win up but claiming he beat Federer at Wimbledon,it was clearly not enough that he beat Roger at the Olympics so you had to build it up to be something it isn't ( a win at Wimbledon) cause you know deep down inside that Murray could beat Roger to win the next 20 Olympic gold medals,it will still never equal 1 Wimbledon
Regardless your comment is ridiculous anyway cause this is sport were are talking about,if Federer had won there would have been just as big a backlash and as many sore losers as if Djokovic,Nadal or any other player had won.Not everyone will be happy at a sporting results cause not everyone likes the same player,so no matter what the result or outcome there will always be people who react this way
If you look on other threads you will see that not only me but several other people have given Murray his dues.Apart from a few almost everyone who comments on this forum has congratulated him but it seems CaledonianCraig won't be happy unless we all crawl so far up Murrays ass that we all have brown rings around our ankles
As for Federer,if he says he is happy with silver why shouldn't we believe him,has he ever given us a reason to doubt his honesty or integrity?
posted on 8/8/12
As for Federer,if he says he is happy with silver why shouldn't we believe him,has he ever given us a reason to doubt his honesty or integrity?
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Tenez seems to think so.
Tenez reckons he lies about being injured.
Personally I don't think Fed is a liar, I found that attitude extremely disrespectful towards Federer actually.
posted on 8/8/12
veejay all I am looking for from posters is graciousness and respect.it seems obvious that Fed fans and Murray haters cant even have the decency to just congratulate a player for beating Fed fair and square. However, you wish to paint it the Olympic Games were played on the hallowed turf of Wimbledon and its Centre Court. A surface that Fed loves and it was a best of five match and he got stuffed.Was it Federer at his best? No and I never said it was. However,to try to pretend Roger was not trying or bothered is plain ludicrous. if it is a tournament he couldnt give a stuff about then why enter?He wanted that singles gold medal badly but the better player won on the say.End of story. Sadly,his fans and Murray haters cant take it like men.Grow some balls and post a straight forward congratulations to Andy Murray without the buts and ifs. After all I had the common decency to do it after Wimbledon but it would seem that is beyond others.
posted on 8/8/12
CaledonianCraig, you are going a bit too far here, especially towards Vee-Jay.
First, I might be wrong, but I have not seen any of your congratulations towards Fed after he won Wimbledon on this forum and I spent a few minutes looking into all your comments. All I found were sour grapes after Fed won and some posts insulting other posters, saying they are ignorant, when from what I recall from your posts on 606, v2, or here, it could be said the same bout you. Maybe the sour grapes came from the fact that for two weeks you had been hoping for a Murray win as you showed more particularly towards the last weekend of Wimbledon.
Second, Vee-Jay really congratulated Murray on your fan thread, and I cite:
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comment by Vee-jay (U15005)
posted 2 days, 5 hours ago
Murray did the nation proud and deserves all the credit and praise he gets
Crushed for Roger but the no1 ranking,Wimbledon title,silver medal and several other titles this season going into his 31st birthday has been a dream season for whats realistically his final surge
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I am not seeing any if or but, only the fact that Fed still has had a great year with "only" a silver Olympic medal.
Also, I tend to agree with Vee-Jay (maybe as I am a Fed fan too, but surely no Murray hater as I want him to do well and start winning slams) that you are deforming the truth. Would you still say he beat Fed at Wimbledon if this was a practice session, during Wimbledon even, on Wimbledon center court and he beat him in a Bof5? Surely not. So why are you claiming he gave Fed his worst defeat at Wimbledon? If you mean his worst defeat on Wimbledon center court and you'd kindly specify that it was outside of the official Wimbledon tournament, then we'd all agree. But your sentence is defamatory, to say the least.
We can all see you are a real fanatic of Andy Murray, arguably the best tennis player that Scotland and GB ever had (maybe even better than Fred Perry), but YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!
posted on 8/8/12
Of course i posted congratulations to Federer after Wimbledon and yes it is on 606v2 if you look for it but no not here as never post that much here. However you want to paint the Olympic Final is up to each persons opinion. One thing that cannot be denied is that for the first time Federer lost in a best of five match against Murray and Murray can only take positives from that.As for my comnents to veejay they were in response to comment about me suggesting that i only want people to kiss Murrays backside or words to that effect. Sorry but that is plain wrong. For many years now I have taken stick when Murray has lost and had the mickey ripped out of me by WUMs but I have remained gracious in defeat. However, a lot of Fed fans really are the sorest of losers perhaps in future I wont be so gracious in defeat because what does it get you? and fair enough veejay congratulated but my comment was more a generalisation.
posted on 8/8/12
Why should anyone do anything just because you say so?
Last time I checked we all lived in a free country ,where we are all free to practise our free will,we don't live in a dictatorship where we have to do exactly what you say we should
If some people want to congratulate Murray then let them congratulate him how they want,not how you want and if others don't want do congratulate him-get over it.
There will always be haters no matter who wins.Dont you think its ridiculous how you're allowing them to get under your skin,I mean if someone was making a legitimate argument then I would understand your reaction but you're allowing the most pathetic excuses to get to you
Everyone knows Roger didn't allow Murray to win,you know the truth,I know the truth,so why are you letting it bother you?
Even if the final was played on the green grass courts on the moon,the victory still came at the Olympics not at Wimbledon
If Murray could beat Roger at Wimbledon,he would have but he didn't-so case closed
Imagine if Murray won Wimbledon last month,how would you react if I said Murray beat Roger at the Olympics?(just because the same venue was being used) You would be really offended,carrying worse then you are right now...tell me Im wrong
See...it works both ways but its clear your bias clouds your judgment
posted on 8/8/12
@ sphairistike
Thank you!
posted on 8/8/12
Fair enough on your first part about letting others get under my skin and the fact that Roger wanted to win and did try. That is basically what I wanted to hear as we know it is the truth.
I am not making this out to be like a slam win as I know it isn't but to try to make it out to be no big deal is also wrong. It was an Olympic Final at Wimbledon on a surface Fed has excelled at time and time again and he was beaten handsomely. Now I know he wasn't at his best but it still represents a win for Murray over five sets against Federer and for that Murray can take a great deal from that. To suggest he won't is just daft. Whether it will help him make that final step in his career to win a slam time will tell. Apologies to you veejay as you were half decent enough to congratulate.
posted on 8/8/12
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posted on 8/8/12
For those of you subscribing to the nonsense that Roger never tried and could care less about Olympic Gold:-
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/06/sport/tennis/olympics-tennis-federer-rio/
posted on 9/8/12
Allow Craig to enjoy this victory as much as he possibly can,it could after all be the only "major" victory Murray will ever have
posted on 9/8/12
Yes you could be right Vee-jay. But hey-ho it looks like he'll end his career with something that Federer doesn't have - an Olympic Singles Gold medal. Not a bad little feather in his cap but lets discuss all this once their careers are over.
posted on 9/8/12
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posted on 9/8/12
I bet Murray would trade that feather in his cap in for the Wimbledon title and win any day,I seriously doubt Federer would trade in his record tying 7th Wimbledon,record breaking 17th major which gave him his record breaking weeks at no1 in for the gold medal that wouldn't have broken any records had he won it
No record broken by Murrays gold medal either...its not even consolidation for a mediocre under achieving career,just ask Elena Dementieva
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