The older he gets, the more I can see it. Anyone who can read the game as well as Stevie should have an advantage, it's whether he can handle the rest of it as well.
Having him as manager would be brilliant though
But Brendan's () so young! Gerrard can be assistant
I have to say I've become a huge fan of Brendan, I don't think we played this well ever under Benitez, sure we might have been more efficient, but I believe Brendan is building a great vision for Liverpool, and it's such a joy to watch us play these days, and the team is still under construction! I don't think many managers have that kind of vision of the game, we're lucky to have BR.
I could see BR managing us for a decade, possibly longer.
I don't know a Liverpool fan that isn't a fan of BR. I know fans who don't like FSG but everybody seems to like Rodgers and rightly so
Mrs C and Mito on here aren't huge fans, I don't think Last Chance likes him either.
The old school guys dont like him. I know Wishi doesnt like him as well.
They all say the same thing though..he's too smug
I don't think we played this well ever under Benitez, sure we might have been more efficient, but I believe Brendan is building a great vision for Liverpool, and it's such a joy to watch us play these days,
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Really????? I’ve read a few things like this, and I have to say I’m puzzled by it.
BR is beginning to win me over in some ways. We’re a lot more resilient than I thought we were going to be, he’s a lot less tactically dogmatic than I thought he was going to be, and you get the distinct impression, from the body-language of the players, that the group is very cohesive, and that they’re enjoying each other’s company as players.
All good, but Sunday was painful to watch, in the second-half. We couldn’t string 2 passes together, and every time we won it, we gave it straight back. I think we’ve been like that in large chunks of all of our games, yet I keep reading that it’s a “joy to watch”.
Personally, I don’t think we’ve played well at all, yet, and we’ve been dependent on some grinding resilience and a hot-streak from Sturridge.
Both of which are good things (and the resilience, in particular, is a bit of a surprise), but I’m no more than cautiously optimistic, at the moment. All 3 of our league games could easily have gone differently, and the caution comes from the fact that when we do start getting the passing going, we could easily lose the resilience in the process.
It’s still a “wait and see”, for me. Obviously I'm enjoying the wins, but it's not yet a "joy to watch", from where I'm sitting...
wishi, miss her on here...
BR
We havent played well ghababababananakeldmfnsldnfn
I tend to agree with Kemlyn - the only thing that I get assurance from is the level of some of our performances in the second half of last season where we tore teams apart. I expect those levels of performance to come soon, particulary with the competition for places keeping people on their toes.
I would like to think rodgers remains until he loses touch (wenger) or until he says enough is enough (fergie).
With regards to gerrard, id like to see him go through a proper coaching/managerial path.
Player
Player coach (youth team)
Coach first team
Assistant manager
Lower league manager
Manager abroad (spain and germany/france/italy)
Then come to us
About a season on each of the coaching positions (4 seasons total should take him to 38-39)
Lower league manager for a season or two
Abroad for a couple of seasons to get get experience of what its like to settle abroad (he hasnt had to and future players of his will so he will need to go through it for first hand experience) in different countries. Will help experience, coaching methods and scouting knowledge.
Then about mid late 40s, 14-15 years down the line, he could be number 1 option.
I think hyypia is close to being future liverpool manager atm.
Hes got a solid side in germany and plays relatively attacking football.
And i must add to earlier comment about benitez.
I gave up watching our games. I tried. I really did. I use to watch us on sky only. I never bothered streaming any games cause the moment the stream got stuck, i couldnt be bothered putting myself through watching anymore of it.
We played maybe 5 or 6 good games against teal madrid, aston villa, newcaslte and man u.
The 8 goals vs galata (i think) was a case of everything was going in.
It was boring watching us play and it wasnt even effective. Stale draws and scraping wins and we finished 2nd once.
Ignore cup finals and ucl cause they are one off games or best of 2 games.
In the league. Omg. I couldnt.
Stevie as manager?
Nah, Carra should get it and have Stevie as his number two. I have never heard anyone outside the club say the things about Stevie as they have about Carra in regards to knowledge and passion of the game etc.
Carra would be like the old school managers and take any crap from the modern children who play football these days. He would have the team afraid of messing up (like Fergie did at Utd). Any problems from players and they would be out on their ear.
Funny one this, I'm enjoying BR's style of play and really do enjoy watching us at the mo', and there's obvious signs of improvement on and off the pitch; but there IS something a bit David Brent-ish about him sometimes, some of the things he says just seem to be a bit too engineered for PR soundbites to me (and I work in advertising, so I know a thing or two about bul1shit talkers...). The whole envelope routine just smacked of an out-take from The Office...
Then again, I'm certainly one of those who fall under the 'old-school' band mentioned above (with the emphasis on 'old'...). He's swaying me on the pitch, though - so 'in Brendan we trust' - albeit whilst biting my tongue sometimes...
Hope he's there for 20 years as it'll mean he's doing something right...
comment by stonfacd- We all dream of a team of Anfield Cats (U1298)
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Hurr durr muh attacking 0-0-10 formation 70 shots a match 20-7 scoreline...
Just because you don't understand tactical systems doesn't make it 'boring'. And we were largely effective, we just lacked quality depth for when tiredness or injuries kicked in. Draws were what killed us under Rafa, which is mainly to do with the inability to rotate squad without diminishing quality nor change things up half way through a game if things were going our way.
Not to mention all the players we wanted to sign but couldn't. I'm not saying that Rafa was perfect, he wasn't - there are many holes you could pick with him and his styles. But being tactically ineffective is just not one of them.
I know where you're coming from BBRM.
The god awful 'Being Liverpool' documentary helped create this Brentish image of Rodgers, which has been hard to shift.
The only real way to judge the manager is how the team perform for him and in this regard there are a lot of positives, The player look willing to work hard for him and this is very important.
His use of jargon can grate at times, but name me a manager who doesn't have at least one annoying trait.
Don't think Carra would do it as a manager, but Stevie would.
If Gerrard does become a manager he'd probably want Carra as a coach though, maybe even assistant manager.
What Carra doesn't know about football probably isn't worth knowing.
I thought we played well against stoke, were very good against Villa in the first half and then the polar opposite in the second half.
Against the mancs we were resilient, but the truth is we disd't play well when we had the ball.
Forgetting the league cup game, one and a half games have been decent performances, one and half not so good. The great thing is that though is that we have three wins, and with the recent additions and Suarez to return we should improve.
BR last season highlighted our mental fortitude. This season, so far, we have looked a lot tougher as a team. It will be interesting to see how the team copes to going a goal down or conceding an equaliser, because 'the group' (BR jargon ) haven't always reacted well to setbacks.
Hurr durr muh attacking 0-0-10 formation 70 shots a match 20-7 scoreline...
please, highlight where i said that?
please do, i insist, go ahead... no?
I understand tactics (almost certainly more than you) but there is a difference between "tactics" and an inability to get sides to play in anyway, either defensively or offensively. He managed to do sod all with a ready made team at inter, took a group of players which by and large werent his and won the ucl somehow, and then gradually did worse as the seasons progressed. oh yes, we finished second the year that gerrard and torres couldnt stop scoring.
I like watching teams that set up solidly (chelsea under mourinho-first time around- were sublimely efficient and effective as was mourinho with inter, and Sacchi's milan were superb at turning defense into attack at the switch of a button---- both teams played largely defensive) and no im not old enough to have watched sacchi's milan live, but i have watched every game of theirs in european competition 9/10 league games. I also like watching fluid teams.
Under benitez we were neither really. Good defenders and a good goalie in form meant we were hard to beat anyway, but give me carragher, hyypia, and mascherano in front and i can manage that.
In attack, gerrard and torres couldnt stop scoring at times, but lets be honest, it was dull, and dire.
But this is not a Benitez out article, nor is it a benitez v rodgers cause thankfully he is gone.
Souness had said the best line about Benitez's tactics in the tunnel of a champs league game, (i was there and heard)
Souness: "do you know why he plays 2 defensive minded defensive midfielders? Cause he doesnt have a 3rd"
I reckon Gerrard will be next after Rodgers.
comment by RKW - White Eagle (U13169)
posted 13 minutes ago
I reckon Gerrard will be next after Rodgers.
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He's got a long wait then
stonfacd- We all dream of a team of Anfield Cats (U1298)
We scored over 120 goals one season I think. Finals all over the place and the highest league finish ever in the Prem.
Still what's all that when you finish 7th?
please, highlight where i said that?
please do, i insist, go ahead... no?
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...I never said you said that.
"Under benitez we were neither really. Good defenders and a good goalie in form meant we were hard to beat anyway, but give me carragher, hyypia, and mascherano in front and i can manage that.
In attack, gerrard and torres couldnt stop scoring at times, but lets be honest, it was dull, and dire."
So what you're saying is... When Rafa was allowed to sign the players he wanted, our team was good defensively and scored loads of goals...? I like how you just let the players take all the applause as well. Nothing to do with how Rafa set them up to play.
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"Souness had said the best line about Benitez's tactics in the tunnel of a champs league game, (i was there and heard)
Souness: "do you know why he plays 2 defensive minded defensive midfielders? Cause he doesnt have a 3rd""
Just not true. Infact, Rafa is a discipline of Sacchi. And uses the same broad split of 5 attackers & 5 defenders. You're just talking out your ar$e. Spouting some generic comments about managers and then passing it off as your 'superior tactical knowledge'.
Okay buddy.
Souness: "do you know why he plays 2 defensive minded defensive midfielders? Cause he doesnt have a 3rd""
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Blimey, how does Souness have the nerve to open his mouth about any Liverpool manager? For such a shoking manager, he's not short of confidence, is he? (and that's part of the reason he was a shocking manager).
We all have our own tastes, but I personally loved Rafa’s methods.
Number 1 seeds in Europe, with a squad that, on paper, was nowhere near good enough for that.
What I loved the most was that he was so tactically innovative that opposition managers seemed to struggle to work out how he did it. Fergie was utterly mystified after the 4-1 at OT, mumbling something about it being “hard to take, because we were the better side” Real Madrid’s coaches were equally baffled, and Mourinho was left uttering nonsense about phantom goals, and luck, and a long-ball game (just before, to his amazement, we knocked him out of the CL again).
They resorted to this kind of palpable nonsense because you got the distinct impression they were puzzled by his methods (and what’s more, resented it). Unless you watched a lot of it, it looked , on the surface, like a bit of a random style, but once the penny dropped, I personally loved it.
But it’s not really an either-or question. Politics pushed Rafa out, and now that it’s water under the bridge, I want BR to be more successful again, if possible.
I just think there’s some way to go, and ‘cautiously optimistic’ is as reasonably positive as the situation merits..
It’s not really a a negative viewpoint: if we eke out a whole season of 1-0 wins, it will still provide us with an excellent platform from which to push on, and it will do me. It’s a work in progress, but for me, we’re quite a long way short of being a “joy to watch”., and when we relaxed and tried to be more expansive after going 2-0 up against Notts, we immediately got into trouble.
When we lost the ball with Rafa’s teams, it didn’t make me as tense, because you knew his plan was to play the ball quickly and not to worry about possession (in order to find Torres and SG early and in space), but under BR we’re supposed to be playing a passing game, and have bought players for that purpose, so the fact that we still lose the ball a lot makes me nervous that there may be some big fat flaw in the underlying plan.
But if we push on from where we are now, nobody will be more delighted than I will be, and as I say, BR is beginning to show that he also has some surprises up his sleeve. The "group" does look very together, and that in itself is getting the fans behind it.
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posted on 5/9/13
The older he gets, the more I can see it. Anyone who can read the game as well as Stevie should have an advantage, it's whether he can handle the rest of it as well.
Having him as manager would be brilliant though
posted on 5/9/13
But Brendan's () so young! Gerrard can be assistant
posted on 5/9/13
I have to say I've become a huge fan of Brendan, I don't think we played this well ever under Benitez, sure we might have been more efficient, but I believe Brendan is building a great vision for Liverpool, and it's such a joy to watch us play these days, and the team is still under construction! I don't think many managers have that kind of vision of the game, we're lucky to have BR.
posted on 5/9/13
I could see BR managing us for a decade, possibly longer.
posted on 5/9/13
I don't know a Liverpool fan that isn't a fan of BR. I know fans who don't like FSG but everybody seems to like Rodgers and rightly so
posted on 5/9/13
Mrs C and Mito on here aren't huge fans, I don't think Last Chance likes him either.
posted on 5/9/13
The old school guys dont like him. I know Wishi doesnt like him as well.
They all say the same thing though..he's too smug
posted on 5/9/13
I don't think we played this well ever under Benitez, sure we might have been more efficient, but I believe Brendan is building a great vision for Liverpool, and it's such a joy to watch us play these days,
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Really????? I’ve read a few things like this, and I have to say I’m puzzled by it.
BR is beginning to win me over in some ways. We’re a lot more resilient than I thought we were going to be, he’s a lot less tactically dogmatic than I thought he was going to be, and you get the distinct impression, from the body-language of the players, that the group is very cohesive, and that they’re enjoying each other’s company as players.
All good, but Sunday was painful to watch, in the second-half. We couldn’t string 2 passes together, and every time we won it, we gave it straight back. I think we’ve been like that in large chunks of all of our games, yet I keep reading that it’s a “joy to watch”.
Personally, I don’t think we’ve played well at all, yet, and we’ve been dependent on some grinding resilience and a hot-streak from Sturridge.
Both of which are good things (and the resilience, in particular, is a bit of a surprise), but I’m no more than cautiously optimistic, at the moment. All 3 of our league games could easily have gone differently, and the caution comes from the fact that when we do start getting the passing going, we could easily lose the resilience in the process.
It’s still a “wait and see”, for me. Obviously I'm enjoying the wins, but it's not yet a "joy to watch", from where I'm sitting...
posted on 5/9/13
wishi, miss her on here...
BR
posted on 5/9/13
We havent played well ghababababananakeldmfnsldnfn
posted on 5/9/13
I tend to agree with Kemlyn - the only thing that I get assurance from is the level of some of our performances in the second half of last season where we tore teams apart. I expect those levels of performance to come soon, particulary with the competition for places keeping people on their toes.
posted on 5/9/13
I would like to think rodgers remains until he loses touch (wenger) or until he says enough is enough (fergie).
With regards to gerrard, id like to see him go through a proper coaching/managerial path.
Player
Player coach (youth team)
Coach first team
Assistant manager
Lower league manager
Manager abroad (spain and germany/france/italy)
Then come to us
About a season on each of the coaching positions (4 seasons total should take him to 38-39)
Lower league manager for a season or two
Abroad for a couple of seasons to get get experience of what its like to settle abroad (he hasnt had to and future players of his will so he will need to go through it for first hand experience) in different countries. Will help experience, coaching methods and scouting knowledge.
Then about mid late 40s, 14-15 years down the line, he could be number 1 option.
I think hyypia is close to being future liverpool manager atm.
Hes got a solid side in germany and plays relatively attacking football.
posted on 5/9/13
And i must add to earlier comment about benitez.
I gave up watching our games. I tried. I really did. I use to watch us on sky only. I never bothered streaming any games cause the moment the stream got stuck, i couldnt be bothered putting myself through watching anymore of it.
We played maybe 5 or 6 good games against teal madrid, aston villa, newcaslte and man u.
The 8 goals vs galata (i think) was a case of everything was going in.
It was boring watching us play and it wasnt even effective. Stale draws and scraping wins and we finished 2nd once.
Ignore cup finals and ucl cause they are one off games or best of 2 games.
In the league. Omg. I couldnt.
posted on 5/9/13
Stevie as manager?
Nah, Carra should get it and have Stevie as his number two. I have never heard anyone outside the club say the things about Stevie as they have about Carra in regards to knowledge and passion of the game etc.
Carra would be like the old school managers and take any crap from the modern children who play football these days. He would have the team afraid of messing up (like Fergie did at Utd). Any problems from players and they would be out on their ear.
posted on 5/9/13
Funny one this, I'm enjoying BR's style of play and really do enjoy watching us at the mo', and there's obvious signs of improvement on and off the pitch; but there IS something a bit David Brent-ish about him sometimes, some of the things he says just seem to be a bit too engineered for PR soundbites to me (and I work in advertising, so I know a thing or two about bul1shit talkers...). The whole envelope routine just smacked of an out-take from The Office...
Then again, I'm certainly one of those who fall under the 'old-school' band mentioned above (with the emphasis on 'old'...). He's swaying me on the pitch, though - so 'in Brendan we trust' - albeit whilst biting my tongue sometimes...
Hope he's there for 20 years as it'll mean he's doing something right...
posted on 5/9/13
comment by stonfacd- We all dream of a team of Anfield Cats (U1298)
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Hurr durr muh attacking 0-0-10 formation 70 shots a match 20-7 scoreline...
Just because you don't understand tactical systems doesn't make it 'boring'. And we were largely effective, we just lacked quality depth for when tiredness or injuries kicked in. Draws were what killed us under Rafa, which is mainly to do with the inability to rotate squad without diminishing quality nor change things up half way through a game if things were going our way.
Not to mention all the players we wanted to sign but couldn't. I'm not saying that Rafa was perfect, he wasn't - there are many holes you could pick with him and his styles. But being tactically ineffective is just not one of them.
posted on 5/9/13
I know where you're coming from BBRM.
The god awful 'Being Liverpool' documentary helped create this Brentish image of Rodgers, which has been hard to shift.
The only real way to judge the manager is how the team perform for him and in this regard there are a lot of positives, The player look willing to work hard for him and this is very important.
His use of jargon can grate at times, but name me a manager who doesn't have at least one annoying trait.
posted on 5/9/13
Don't think Carra would do it as a manager, but Stevie would.
If Gerrard does become a manager he'd probably want Carra as a coach though, maybe even assistant manager.
What Carra doesn't know about football probably isn't worth knowing.
posted on 5/9/13
I thought we played well against stoke, were very good against Villa in the first half and then the polar opposite in the second half.
Against the mancs we were resilient, but the truth is we disd't play well when we had the ball.
Forgetting the league cup game, one and a half games have been decent performances, one and half not so good. The great thing is that though is that we have three wins, and with the recent additions and Suarez to return we should improve.
BR last season highlighted our mental fortitude. This season, so far, we have looked a lot tougher as a team. It will be interesting to see how the team copes to going a goal down or conceding an equaliser, because 'the group' (BR jargon ) haven't always reacted well to setbacks.
posted on 5/9/13
Hurr durr muh attacking 0-0-10 formation 70 shots a match 20-7 scoreline...
please, highlight where i said that?
please do, i insist, go ahead... no?
I understand tactics (almost certainly more than you) but there is a difference between "tactics" and an inability to get sides to play in anyway, either defensively or offensively. He managed to do sod all with a ready made team at inter, took a group of players which by and large werent his and won the ucl somehow, and then gradually did worse as the seasons progressed. oh yes, we finished second the year that gerrard and torres couldnt stop scoring.
I like watching teams that set up solidly (chelsea under mourinho-first time around- were sublimely efficient and effective as was mourinho with inter, and Sacchi's milan were superb at turning defense into attack at the switch of a button---- both teams played largely defensive) and no im not old enough to have watched sacchi's milan live, but i have watched every game of theirs in european competition 9/10 league games. I also like watching fluid teams.
Under benitez we were neither really. Good defenders and a good goalie in form meant we were hard to beat anyway, but give me carragher, hyypia, and mascherano in front and i can manage that.
In attack, gerrard and torres couldnt stop scoring at times, but lets be honest, it was dull, and dire.
But this is not a Benitez out article, nor is it a benitez v rodgers cause thankfully he is gone.
Souness had said the best line about Benitez's tactics in the tunnel of a champs league game, (i was there and heard)
Souness: "do you know why he plays 2 defensive minded defensive midfielders? Cause he doesnt have a 3rd"
posted on 5/9/13
I reckon Gerrard will be next after Rodgers.
posted on 5/9/13
comment by RKW - White Eagle (U13169)
posted 13 minutes ago
I reckon Gerrard will be next after Rodgers.
----
He's got a long wait then
posted on 5/9/13
stonfacd- We all dream of a team of Anfield Cats (U1298)
We scored over 120 goals one season I think. Finals all over the place and the highest league finish ever in the Prem.
Still what's all that when you finish 7th?
posted on 5/9/13
please, highlight where i said that?
please do, i insist, go ahead... no?
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...I never said you said that.
"Under benitez we were neither really. Good defenders and a good goalie in form meant we were hard to beat anyway, but give me carragher, hyypia, and mascherano in front and i can manage that.
In attack, gerrard and torres couldnt stop scoring at times, but lets be honest, it was dull, and dire."
So what you're saying is... When Rafa was allowed to sign the players he wanted, our team was good defensively and scored loads of goals...? I like how you just let the players take all the applause as well. Nothing to do with how Rafa set them up to play.
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"Souness had said the best line about Benitez's tactics in the tunnel of a champs league game, (i was there and heard)
Souness: "do you know why he plays 2 defensive minded defensive midfielders? Cause he doesnt have a 3rd""
Just not true. Infact, Rafa is a discipline of Sacchi. And uses the same broad split of 5 attackers & 5 defenders. You're just talking out your ar$e. Spouting some generic comments about managers and then passing it off as your 'superior tactical knowledge'.
Okay buddy.
posted on 5/9/13
Souness: "do you know why he plays 2 defensive minded defensive midfielders? Cause he doesnt have a 3rd""
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Blimey, how does Souness have the nerve to open his mouth about any Liverpool manager? For such a shoking manager, he's not short of confidence, is he? (and that's part of the reason he was a shocking manager).
We all have our own tastes, but I personally loved Rafa’s methods.
Number 1 seeds in Europe, with a squad that, on paper, was nowhere near good enough for that.
What I loved the most was that he was so tactically innovative that opposition managers seemed to struggle to work out how he did it. Fergie was utterly mystified after the 4-1 at OT, mumbling something about it being “hard to take, because we were the better side” Real Madrid’s coaches were equally baffled, and Mourinho was left uttering nonsense about phantom goals, and luck, and a long-ball game (just before, to his amazement, we knocked him out of the CL again).
They resorted to this kind of palpable nonsense because you got the distinct impression they were puzzled by his methods (and what’s more, resented it). Unless you watched a lot of it, it looked , on the surface, like a bit of a random style, but once the penny dropped, I personally loved it.
But it’s not really an either-or question. Politics pushed Rafa out, and now that it’s water under the bridge, I want BR to be more successful again, if possible.
I just think there’s some way to go, and ‘cautiously optimistic’ is as reasonably positive as the situation merits..
It’s not really a a negative viewpoint: if we eke out a whole season of 1-0 wins, it will still provide us with an excellent platform from which to push on, and it will do me. It’s a work in progress, but for me, we’re quite a long way short of being a “joy to watch”., and when we relaxed and tried to be more expansive after going 2-0 up against Notts, we immediately got into trouble.
When we lost the ball with Rafa’s teams, it didn’t make me as tense, because you knew his plan was to play the ball quickly and not to worry about possession (in order to find Torres and SG early and in space), but under BR we’re supposed to be playing a passing game, and have bought players for that purpose, so the fact that we still lose the ball a lot makes me nervous that there may be some big fat flaw in the underlying plan.
But if we push on from where we are now, nobody will be more delighted than I will be, and as I say, BR is beginning to show that he also has some surprises up his sleeve. The "group" does look very together, and that in itself is getting the fans behind it.
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