Of course robb  

Sadly, with this ridiculous comment about Ferguson this could be Moyes Hodgson moment.

comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 3 minutes ago
Robb

Fair play to you for sticking by Moyes.

I lost faith ages ago now and never thought he was the right man for us.

When will be your breaking point I wonder? How bad would it have to get until you changed your mind?
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I have 3 steps.

1) he has to bring in the players we all demand this summer. They don't have to be the exact names. But a top left back, a top cb and a top CM all are the least I wanna see.

2) he has to beat a few big teams next season. Not necessarily away next year but Deffo at OT.

3) we have to finish in the top 4 next season

If he fails in any of those then I'll lose faith.

Fair enough.

You're entitled to your own beliefs. I think he'll be very lucky to survive now after all this plane nonsense. The fans are now speaking up and it will make life very uncomfortable for Moyes.

I actually hold Fergie as much to blame for all this, perhaps even more than Moyes.

Robb, so Everton and Southampton have improved but we are worse?

With Everton in particular, they lost a manager who stamped his brand on the club for a decade and have employed a less experienced manager. Surely they should not have improved so drastically. Curious one that

1) he has to bring in the players we all demand this summer. They don't have to be the exact names. But a top left back, a top cb and a top CM all are the least I wanna see. 

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What if he doesn't get in the players we all want?

What if he has a poor summer like last season and buys leon osman in deadline day?

Do you want leon osman playing for us?

If Fergie was still here Moyes would still be at Everton, so I don't think Everton would have inproved so drastically anyway

I don't want Leon Osman playing for us, but in hindsight he'd have been a better signing last summer than Fellaini was. And cheaper too.

I was all for the Fellaini signing. I genuinely thought he'd grasp the chance to play for Utd and make the step up. How wrong was I?

He's really not helping himself is he

Mudd, yes, they have improved. But martinez does our a lot to Moyes. For many seasons now martinez' teams have been woeful at the back and good going forward.

He took on an Everton team who had one of the best defences in the country. Funny how the Moyes out + martinez in people forget to credit Moyes with leaving behind something that allowed martinez to flourish.

What did SaF leave Moyes?

A good goalkeeper and DDG has continued to be brilliant.

An ageing defence who are all injury prone, even the younger ones.

A creaking midfield with even Carrick, our best player in there getting older. Cleverley a poor player, Fletcher just a guy in the squad rather than a certain first teamed.

The winners are all good at best, on their bad days they are a joke.

Up front we have Rooney who has been good this season and RvP reverting back to Arsenal form injury wise.

People will say 'okay then, Moyes should have replaced all the poor players' but you can't just ship put a huge amount of players like that in one summer just after Moyes took over.

Listen to Scholes and Keane this week. They both say that Moyes needs more time. They'd know because they see just how weak our squad really is.

Keane said Moyes was shocked at just how poor we are. I'm certain that had Klopp come in last summer he'd have been stunned at how poor half this squad really is.

*owe

* wingers

(I'm on my phone)

Ferguson consistently said last season that the squad was in good shape for the future with a blend of youth and experience(which lead me to believe he would retire). He won the league by 11 points with that squad, was very close the season before. The new manager now comes in, has overseen the worst league form the club has had in the EPL era, said the squad needs a massive overhaul that will take time and that Ferguson probably could do no better.

Meanwhile Martinez takes over Moyes' old club with the loss of their best player, never says a negative word and is higher in the league.

Ninja, his side are one place higher in the league than Moyes finished with them last season.

And that's because we're so low.

comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 5 minutes ago
Ninja, his side are one place higher in the league than Moyes finished with them last season.

And that's because we're so low.
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His side also have more points than they have had with Moyes at the same point in the season.

Robb

What evidence can you see from Moyes managerial career, that suggests he can get United back on top and keep them there.

I would really like to see where you get this mindless optimism from.

60000 of the 75000 who watch United every week have paid for their seats up front so a fan boycott would be unlikely.

However MUFC struggle to and work very hard to sell all the ST allocation each summer. There is no waiting list.

I will be interested to see if Moyes is given another season what the take up will be regarding STs.

So let us analyse this a little bit. Moyes leaves Everton and they improve and joins Utd and we become worse.

Hmm

So let us analyse this a little bit. Moyes leaves Everton and they improve and joins Utd and we become worse.
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and we poach their 'best' player

Gents, I present to you Everton's world class squad;

1 Joel Robles (G) Spain
24 Tim Howard (G) USA
2 Tony Hibbert (D) England
3 Leighton Baines (D) England
6 Phil Jagielka (D) England
8 Bryan Oviedo (D) Costa Rica
15 Sylvain Distin (D) France
23 Seamus Coleman (D) Ireland
26 John Stones (D) England
29 Luke Garbutt (D) England
32 Antolin Alcaraz (D) Paraguay
40 Ibou Touray (D) England
4 Darron Gibson (M) Ireland
7 Aiden McGeady (M) Ireland
14 Steven Naismith (M) Scotland
16 James McCarthy (M) Ireland
18 Gareth Barry (M) England
20 Ross Barkley (M) England
21 Leon Osman (M) England
22 Steven Pienaar (M) South Africa
39 Conor Grant (M) England
9 Arouna Kone (F) Ivory Coast
10 Gerard Deulofeu (F) Spain
11 Kevin Mirallas (F) Belgium
17 Romelu Lukaku (F) Belgium
19 Magaye Gueye (F) Senegal
27 Apostolos Vellios (F) Greece
28 Lacina Traore (F) Ivory Coast
35 Conor McAleny (F) England

comment by RBW - Is Moysie the new Wilf McGuinness (U2335) .

I will be interested to see if Moyes is given another season what the take up will be regarding STs.
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I suspect they'll try and confirm a major signing around renewal time, if they don't it will be because we're struggling to attract the right players.

Now I give you the squad from North London that rivals Bayern;s

1 Wojciech Szczesny (G) Poland
13 Emiliano Viviano (G) Italy
21 Lukasz Fabianski (G) Poland
3 Bacary Sagna (D) France
4 Per Mertesacker (D) Germany
5 Thomas Vermaelen (D) Belgium
6 Laurent Koscielny (D) France
17 Nacho Monreal (D) Spain
23 Ignasi Miquel (D) Spain
25 Carl Jenkinson (D) England
28 Kieran Gibbs (D) England
45 Isaac Hayden (D) England
NA Samuel Galindo (M) Bolivia
7 Tomas Rosicky (M) Czech Republic
8 Mikel Arteta (M) Spain
10 Jack Wilshere (M) England
11 Mesut Ozil (M) Germany
14 Theo Walcott (M) England
15 Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (M) England
16 Aaron Ramsey (M) Wales
19 Santi Cazorla (M) Spain
20 Mathieu Flamini (M) France
24 Abou Diaby (M) France
29 Kim Kallstrom (M) Sweden
31 Ryo Miyaichi (M) Japan
42 Thomas Eisfeld (M) Germany
44 Serge Gnabry (M) Germany
53 Kristoffer Olsson (M) England
58 Gedion Zelalem (M) Germany
60 Alex Iwobi (M) England
9 Lukas Podolski (F) Germany
12 Olivier Giroud (F) France
22 Yaya Sanogo (F) France
23 Nicklas Bendtner (F) Denmark
39 Zak Ansah (F) Ghana

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Robb

What evidence can you see from Moyes managerial career, that suggests he can get United back on top and keep them there.

I would really like to see where you get this mindless optimism from.
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Evidence isn't really the issue though. There are managers who have won everything who fail at other big clubs.

Nowhere have I said Moyes will be a guaranteed success. But I feel he was left a poor squad that was ripe for a poor season just after SaF left and one that you yourself raised concerns about over the past couple of seasons.

Now as to why I think Moyes can succeed. At Everton he showed consistency in keeping a squad like his where they should be. With the right players brought in over the next couple of seasons he can consistently keep United were we should be (top 3 minimum).

He can organise a defence and oncr we ship out the past their best ones and bring in some top class ones to go along with Rafael and Jones then we'll look better. That should be clear.

Despite what people thought about Moyes' record against the big teams at Everton, in the past 4 years they did beat United, Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Liverpool and others so he has the ability to go toe to toe with the top managers and get results.

Did he do that away from home? Nope but his Everton team scored 4 at United which is still pretty good, last season were by far and away the better team at City and we're unfortunate to only draw (beat them well in the home game) and was undefeated at Arsenal and Liverpool games.

Again, I don't know whether or not Moyes will be a success but I know for a fact he can do better than what he's shown this season and with some better players replacing the weak links in the current squad it's only fair he gets the chance next season to prove some people wrong.

I have nothing against anyone that thinks he should be sacked tomorrow and if he was I wouldn't shed a tear but I'm just putting my own reasons forward as requested.

Now the Merseyside bombers;

1 Brad Jones (G) Australia
22 Simon Mignolet (G) Belgium
52 Danny Ward (G) Wales
2 Glen Johnson (D) England
3 Jose Enrique (D) Spain
4 Kolo Toure (D) Ivory Coast
5 Daniel Agger (D) Denmark
16 Sebastian Coates (D) Uruguay
17 Mamadou Sakho (D) France
20 Aly Cissokho (D) France
34 Martin Kelly (D) England
37 Martin Skrtel (D) Slovakia
38 Jon Flanagan (D) England
45 Stephen Sama (D) Germany
51 Lloyd Jones (D) Wales
8 Steven Gerrard (M) England
10 Philippe Coutinho (M) Brazil
12 Victor Moses (M) Nigeria
14 Jordan Henderson (M) England
21 Lucas (M) Brazil
24 Joe Allen (M) Wales
44 Brad Smith (M) England
46 Jordan Rossiter (M) England
50 Cameron Brannigan (M) England
53 Joao Teixeira (M) Portugal
6 Luis Alberto (F) Spain
7 Luis Suarez (F) Uruguay
9 Iago Aspas (F) Spain
15 Daniel Sturridge (F) England
31 Raheem Sterling (F) England
36 Samed Yesil (F) Germany
48 Jerome Sinclair (F) England

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