*how world class Mata is in a United shirt.
Scholayscholes
Agreed, RVP has shown with arsenal and holland he can play well with creative players behind and his actual stats in terms of assists is far greater than rooneys when playing as a #9.
But like I said with Rooneys recent contract I can see us getting rid of RVP before Rooney.
It has to be Rooney/rvp not both
Tbh as a fan I do not mind either, but moyes has narrowed the choice to Rooney by handing him that contract.
Rooney also combines more effectively with mata, kagawa, and januzaj.
comment by hiro nakamora (U1445)
posted 1 minute ago
i have to go with Robb here, can't blame moyes for this, i doubt there are many managers who can drop any of the two
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Well if he can't, then he is at the wrong place. Because those managers who will have the guts to drop one of them, should be deem Manchester united calibre. Let us just get something straight as well, if moyes is here for the long run, he will have to deal with situations as such for the next decade. If he can't manage these huge assets in accordance to what is best for Manchester united, then we are in trouble, because we will be sitting here every April arguing that we have a team capable of challenging for the premier league but can't due to wrong personnel.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 56 seconds ago
Moyes is the manager. Of course it's his fault if he cannot drop RVP.
Whether RVP deserves to be dropped is another matter altogether. But stop acting as if Moyes is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to team selection as he's simply not.
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So if Moyes drops RvP what happens? Most likely RvP puts in a transfer request and leaves at a far lower fee than if he left under different circumstances.
I doubt the Glazers would like that.
As it is I think RvP will leave because why would the Glazers give Moyes so much money for a player where we're well stocked unless they knew someone was leaving in the summer and one of those #10s (Rooney) would be moving up top
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Scholayscholes
Agreed, RVP has shown with arsenal and holland he can play well with creative players behind and his actual stats in terms of assists is far greater than rooneys when playing as a #9.
But like I said with Rooneys recent contract I can see us getting rid of RVP before Rooney.
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The scary thing about this is, I feel like RVP can give us 5 more years of quality service. Rooney has 4 years left in him. I think Ferguson mentioned something along the lines of once he hits 30, he won't be the same again due to his body frame.
Scholay Scholes
This has only been an issue for a few months. Moyes has barely had any time to show he can or can't sort this issue out.
By all means slate the guy if in April next year we're having this same discussion but from where I'm sitting Moyes bought Mata and the guy is a success. RvP might never play for us again if his injury keeps him out till next month.
Scholay
Agreed, RVP may be older but I personally think his physical makeup is far better and will allow him to last longer at the top, although he does have his injury problems.
Rooney is still a top player but I have always believed RVP was and is the better #9 and I think ferguson felt the same.
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 2 seconds ago
Scholay Scholes
This has only been an issue for a few months. Moyes has barely had any time to show he can or can't sort this issue out.
By all means slate the guy if in April next year we're having this same discussion but from where I'm sitting Moyes bought Mata and the guy is a success. RvP might never play for us again if his injury keeps him out till next month.
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I did not slate him though. I was merely replying to the poster who implied there are not many managers who will be able to deal with this situation. A situation you and I both know he will face a lot whilst a Manchester United manager. Ruud and Ronaldo springs to mind recently.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Scholayscholes
Agreed, RVP has shown with arsenal and holland he can play well with creative players behind and his actual stats in terms of assists is far greater than rooneys when playing as a #9.
But like I said with Rooneys recent contract I can see us getting rid of RVP before Rooney.
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The scary thing about this is, I feel like RVP can give us 5 more years of quality service. Rooney has 4 years left in him. I think Ferguson mentioned something along the lines of once he hits 30, he won't be the same again due to his body frame.
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Absolute horseshitt. Can you honestly see RvP having that many injury free seasons?the guy got injured taking a corner.
We were hugely lucky we got so many games out of him last season but it's very unlikely we'll get 5 good years out of RvP. In fact, nigh on impossible
If RVP hands in a transfer request then so bit.
If the sell on value of a 30 year old injury prone striker is one of the key things in Moyes' team selection then something is seriously wrong.
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posted 41 seconds ago
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 2 seconds ago
Scholay Scholes
This has only been an issue for a few months. Moyes has barely had any time to show he can or can't sort this issue out.
By all means slate the guy if in April next year we're having this same discussion but from where I'm sitting Moyes bought Mata and the guy is a success. RvP might never play for us again if his injury keeps him out till next month.
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I did not slate him though. I was merely replying to the poster who implied there are not many managers who will be able to deal with this situation. A situation you and I both know he will face a lot whilst a Manchester United manager. Ruud and Ronaldo springs to mind recently.
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We sold Ruud for the reasons we should sell RvP. But I don't get your Ronaldo point. That wasn't managerial strength from SaF. The guy wanted out and we barely replaced him and have suffered in some ways since.
Blah Blah Blah....the ramblings of idiots.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
If RVP hands in a transfer request then so bit.
If the sell on value of a 30 year old injury prone striker is one of the key things in Moyes' team selection then something is seriously wrong.
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That's just one of many reasons.
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 2 seconds ago
Scholay Scholes
This has only been an issue for a few months. Moyes has barely had any time to show he can or can't sort this issue out.
By all means slate the guy if in April next year we're having this same discussion but from where I'm sitting Moyes bought Mata and the guy is a success. RvP might never play for us again if his injury keeps him out till next month.
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I did not slate him though. I was merely replying to the poster who implied there are not many managers who will be able to deal with this situation. A situation you and I both know he will face a lot whilst a Manchester United manager. Ruud and Ronaldo springs to mind recently.
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We sold Ruud for the reasons we should sell RvP. But I don't get your Ronaldo point. That wasn't managerial strength from SaF. The guy wanted out and we barely replaced him and have suffered in some ways since.
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My reference to ronaldo was that him and ruud did not get along, ultimately, one had to leave to allow the other to flourish.
Rob, it doesn't matter, you're saying that RVP cannot be dropped when this is clearly not the case.
Whether he deserves to be dropped is another matter.
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comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 2 seconds ago
Scholay Scholes
This has only been an issue for a few months. Moyes has barely had any time to show he can or can't sort this issue out.
By all means slate the guy if in April next year we're having this same discussion but from where I'm sitting Moyes bought Mata and the guy is a success. RvP might never play for us again if his injury keeps him out till next month.
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I did not slate him though. I was merely replying to the poster who implied there are not many managers who will be able to deal with this situation. A situation you and I both know he will face a lot whilst a Manchester United manager. Ruud and Ronaldo springs to mind recently.
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We sold Ruud for the reasons we should sell RvP. But I don't get your Ronaldo point. That wasn't managerial strength from SaF. The guy wanted out and we barely replaced him and have suffered in some ways since.
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My reference to ronaldo was that him and ruud did not get along, ultimately, one had to leave to allow the other to flourish.
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Fair enough but you can see the difference. That situation had to be solved because there was a beef that would only have gotten worse
With this situation it's more of a style of play thing.
I'm sure there's a clash of egos with Rooney and RVP.
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posted 24 seconds ago
I'm sure there's a clash of egos with Rooney and RVP.
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Without a doubt. The amount of times they pass to each other is more to do with them than us having a shatt midfield.
The style of play thing is an interesting one. I actually think for Mata and Kagawa to flourish in the same team Welbeck and Hernandez would be the best strikers to play ahead of them as their pace and movement would compliment them well.
Rooney has a tendency to come looking for the ball and dropping deep, and I don't think that would utilise the strengths of Kagawa and Mata who need player running in behind - see the Giroud and Ozil conundrum at Arsenal.
Problem being that Rooney is a much better player than Chicha and Welbeck, so naturally you'd want him in the side.
For this to really work we'd need at least one player in the mould of Reus that can play off the shoulder in wider positions for when Rooney drops deep - see how Walcott somewhat solves Arsenal's striker issues when he plays.
It's why, although it looks good on paper, I have my reservations over a lineup that involves Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
The style of play thing is an interesting one. I actually think for Mata and Kagawa to flourish in the same team Welbeck and Hernandez would be the best strikers to play ahead of them as their pace and movement would compliment them well.
Rooney has a tendency to come looking for the ball and dropping deep, and I don't think that would utilise the strengths of Kagawa and Mata who need player running in behind - see the Giroud and Ozil conundrum at Arsenal.
Problem being that Rooney is a much better player than Chicha and Welbeck, so naturally you'd want him in the side.
For this to really work we'd need at least one player in the mould of Reus that can play off the shoulder in wider positions for when Rooney drops deep - see how Walcott somewhat solves Arsenal's striker issues when he plays.
It's why, although it looks good on paper, I have my reservations over a lineup that involves Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj.
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Could not have said it better. Although RVP will be the one to leave this summer if any of the two were to go. Naturally, we will be out to replace him. Whoever we replace him with, we should be thinking long term here. And by that, a player who can potentially score 30/40 goals a season for us. And not going out to get a player who will always play second fiddle to Rooney and be happy with it, thereby Moyes does not have an issue to deal with.
If team selection is straight forward for a manager, then that manager in truth has not got a good team.
It's why, although it looks good on paper, I have my reservations over a lineup that involves Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj.
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Agreed.
While an attacking three of Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj looks brilliant on paper and would probably be sufficient for games like today, in games against tougher opposition you would definitely need a player with more speed, dynamism and defensive quality in one of the wide areas.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's not really about managerial strength. When fit both have to play as they're massive players. I agree we look better with just one starting.
If either one was dropped they'd ask to leave, no doubt about that so the only reason Moyes or anyone would drop them for longer than the odd game would be if that player was to be sold in the next window.
Rooney and RvP don't do rotation under any manager.
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Whether they do rotation that's their problem. This is when good managers become great managers. No one man is more important than this club, Ferguson showed us this last season when he benched Rooney against Madrid. Something has to give here, and it takes strength from the manager to identify that playing both hinders our play, and one needs to be dropped.
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Dropping Rooney for one game is hardly the same as regularly rotating two strikers who want to play every game.
Even if Jose was our manager he wouldn't drop either regularly unless he was gonna sell one like Mata.
For all we know RvP might be sold this summer and the Mata signing was for a reason. But Moyes cannot be blamed got inheriting two players who can't play together but also can't be regularly dropped.
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Well, I think it is well known that had ferguson stayed, rooney would've been shown the door this past summer. Jose mourinho would not have played both rvp and Rooney. The man hates playing two on top.
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If he'd sold Rooney I'm sure he would have bought a new striker and probably played Kagawa less than Moyes has.
If team selection is straight forward for a manager, then that manager in truth has not got a good team.
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This is very true. It's why, despite how badly our squad gets slated, the manager doesn't have a straight forward team selection as we do possess a lot of quality in attack - it's just not being utilised correctly.
If RVP does leave, I wouldn't be too upset if we can build an overall more balanced side - even though I do think he's our best cf.
It might also make Hernandez stay as he could get more opportunities, particularly player in front of Mata (and I think today was the only time it's happened) and he could contribute a lot more than he has this season.
I also think it could open up more chances for the very talented James Wilson to come into the first team fold.
And in defence of Rooney and his tendency to come looking for the ball, if we have a better overall side and more creativity and control in the middle then he could adapt to playing a more disciplined cf's role if he doesn't need to keep dropping deep.
Agree with TRS
I am kagawas biggest fan, but against the toughest opposition we can only accommodate 2 of mata, kagawa and januzaj. The ideal solution will be to bring in a more dynamic rw while dropping one of mata/kagawa/januzaj to the bench
New rw --------mata/kagawa--------januzaj/kagawa
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The one on the bench can easily be brought on to effect the game in later stages or rested. All can be played against weaker opposition.v
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posted on 5/4/14
*how world class Mata is in a United shirt.
posted on 5/4/14
Scholayscholes
Agreed, RVP has shown with arsenal and holland he can play well with creative players behind and his actual stats in terms of assists is far greater than rooneys when playing as a #9.
But like I said with Rooneys recent contract I can see us getting rid of RVP before Rooney.
posted on 5/4/14
It has to be Rooney/rvp not both
Tbh as a fan I do not mind either, but moyes has narrowed the choice to Rooney by handing him that contract.
Rooney also combines more effectively with mata, kagawa, and januzaj.
posted on 5/4/14
comment by hiro nakamora (U1445)
posted 1 minute ago
i have to go with Robb here, can't blame moyes for this, i doubt there are many managers who can drop any of the two
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Well if he can't, then he is at the wrong place. Because those managers who will have the guts to drop one of them, should be deem Manchester united calibre. Let us just get something straight as well, if moyes is here for the long run, he will have to deal with situations as such for the next decade. If he can't manage these huge assets in accordance to what is best for Manchester united, then we are in trouble, because we will be sitting here every April arguing that we have a team capable of challenging for the premier league but can't due to wrong personnel.
posted on 5/4/14
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 56 seconds ago
Moyes is the manager. Of course it's his fault if he cannot drop RVP.
Whether RVP deserves to be dropped is another matter altogether. But stop acting as if Moyes is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to team selection as he's simply not.
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So if Moyes drops RvP what happens? Most likely RvP puts in a transfer request and leaves at a far lower fee than if he left under different circumstances.
I doubt the Glazers would like that.
As it is I think RvP will leave because why would the Glazers give Moyes so much money for a player where we're well stocked unless they knew someone was leaving in the summer and one of those #10s (Rooney) would be moving up top
posted on 5/4/14
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Scholayscholes
Agreed, RVP has shown with arsenal and holland he can play well with creative players behind and his actual stats in terms of assists is far greater than rooneys when playing as a #9.
But like I said with Rooneys recent contract I can see us getting rid of RVP before Rooney.
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The scary thing about this is, I feel like RVP can give us 5 more years of quality service. Rooney has 4 years left in him. I think Ferguson mentioned something along the lines of once he hits 30, he won't be the same again due to his body frame.
posted on 5/4/14
Scholay Scholes
This has only been an issue for a few months. Moyes has barely had any time to show he can or can't sort this issue out.
By all means slate the guy if in April next year we're having this same discussion but from where I'm sitting Moyes bought Mata and the guy is a success. RvP might never play for us again if his injury keeps him out till next month.
posted on 5/4/14
Scholay
Agreed, RVP may be older but I personally think his physical makeup is far better and will allow him to last longer at the top, although he does have his injury problems.
Rooney is still a top player but I have always believed RVP was and is the better #9 and I think ferguson felt the same.
posted on 5/4/14
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 2 seconds ago
Scholay Scholes
This has only been an issue for a few months. Moyes has barely had any time to show he can or can't sort this issue out.
By all means slate the guy if in April next year we're having this same discussion but from where I'm sitting Moyes bought Mata and the guy is a success. RvP might never play for us again if his injury keeps him out till next month.
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I did not slate him though. I was merely replying to the poster who implied there are not many managers who will be able to deal with this situation. A situation you and I both know he will face a lot whilst a Manchester United manager. Ruud and Ronaldo springs to mind recently.
posted on 5/4/14
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Scholayscholes
Agreed, RVP has shown with arsenal and holland he can play well with creative players behind and his actual stats in terms of assists is far greater than rooneys when playing as a #9.
But like I said with Rooneys recent contract I can see us getting rid of RVP before Rooney.
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The scary thing about this is, I feel like RVP can give us 5 more years of quality service. Rooney has 4 years left in him. I think Ferguson mentioned something along the lines of once he hits 30, he won't be the same again due to his body frame.
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Absolute horseshitt. Can you honestly see RvP having that many injury free seasons?the guy got injured taking a corner.
We were hugely lucky we got so many games out of him last season but it's very unlikely we'll get 5 good years out of RvP. In fact, nigh on impossible
posted on 5/4/14
If RVP hands in a transfer request then so bit.
If the sell on value of a 30 year old injury prone striker is one of the key things in Moyes' team selection then something is seriously wrong.
posted on 5/4/14
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 2 seconds ago
Scholay Scholes
This has only been an issue for a few months. Moyes has barely had any time to show he can or can't sort this issue out.
By all means slate the guy if in April next year we're having this same discussion but from where I'm sitting Moyes bought Mata and the guy is a success. RvP might never play for us again if his injury keeps him out till next month.
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I did not slate him though. I was merely replying to the poster who implied there are not many managers who will be able to deal with this situation. A situation you and I both know he will face a lot whilst a Manchester United manager. Ruud and Ronaldo springs to mind recently.
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We sold Ruud for the reasons we should sell RvP. But I don't get your Ronaldo point. That wasn't managerial strength from SaF. The guy wanted out and we barely replaced him and have suffered in some ways since.
posted on 5/4/14
Blah Blah Blah....the ramblings of idiots.
posted on 5/4/14
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
If RVP hands in a transfer request then so bit.
If the sell on value of a 30 year old injury prone striker is one of the key things in Moyes' team selection then something is seriously wrong.
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That's just one of many reasons.
posted on 5/4/14
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 2 seconds ago
Scholay Scholes
This has only been an issue for a few months. Moyes has barely had any time to show he can or can't sort this issue out.
By all means slate the guy if in April next year we're having this same discussion but from where I'm sitting Moyes bought Mata and the guy is a success. RvP might never play for us again if his injury keeps him out till next month.
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I did not slate him though. I was merely replying to the poster who implied there are not many managers who will be able to deal with this situation. A situation you and I both know he will face a lot whilst a Manchester United manager. Ruud and Ronaldo springs to mind recently.
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We sold Ruud for the reasons we should sell RvP. But I don't get your Ronaldo point. That wasn't managerial strength from SaF. The guy wanted out and we barely replaced him and have suffered in some ways since.
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My reference to ronaldo was that him and ruud did not get along, ultimately, one had to leave to allow the other to flourish.
posted on 5/4/14
Rob, it doesn't matter, you're saying that RVP cannot be dropped when this is clearly not the case.
Whether he deserves to be dropped is another matter.
posted on 5/4/14
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 2 seconds ago
Scholay Scholes
This has only been an issue for a few months. Moyes has barely had any time to show he can or can't sort this issue out.
By all means slate the guy if in April next year we're having this same discussion but from where I'm sitting Moyes bought Mata and the guy is a success. RvP might never play for us again if his injury keeps him out till next month.
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I did not slate him though. I was merely replying to the poster who implied there are not many managers who will be able to deal with this situation. A situation you and I both know he will face a lot whilst a Manchester United manager. Ruud and Ronaldo springs to mind recently.
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We sold Ruud for the reasons we should sell RvP. But I don't get your Ronaldo point. That wasn't managerial strength from SaF. The guy wanted out and we barely replaced him and have suffered in some ways since.
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My reference to ronaldo was that him and ruud did not get along, ultimately, one had to leave to allow the other to flourish.
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Fair enough but you can see the difference. That situation had to be solved because there was a beef that would only have gotten worse
With this situation it's more of a style of play thing.
posted on 5/4/14
I'm sure there's a clash of egos with Rooney and RVP.
posted on 5/4/14
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 24 seconds ago
I'm sure there's a clash of egos with Rooney and RVP.
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Without a doubt. The amount of times they pass to each other is more to do with them than us having a shatt midfield.
posted on 5/4/14
The style of play thing is an interesting one. I actually think for Mata and Kagawa to flourish in the same team Welbeck and Hernandez would be the best strikers to play ahead of them as their pace and movement would compliment them well.
Rooney has a tendency to come looking for the ball and dropping deep, and I don't think that would utilise the strengths of Kagawa and Mata who need player running in behind - see the Giroud and Ozil conundrum at Arsenal.
Problem being that Rooney is a much better player than Chicha and Welbeck, so naturally you'd want him in the side.
For this to really work we'd need at least one player in the mould of Reus that can play off the shoulder in wider positions for when Rooney drops deep - see how Walcott somewhat solves Arsenal's striker issues when he plays.
It's why, although it looks good on paper, I have my reservations over a lineup that involves Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj.
posted on 5/4/14
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
The style of play thing is an interesting one. I actually think for Mata and Kagawa to flourish in the same team Welbeck and Hernandez would be the best strikers to play ahead of them as their pace and movement would compliment them well.
Rooney has a tendency to come looking for the ball and dropping deep, and I don't think that would utilise the strengths of Kagawa and Mata who need player running in behind - see the Giroud and Ozil conundrum at Arsenal.
Problem being that Rooney is a much better player than Chicha and Welbeck, so naturally you'd want him in the side.
For this to really work we'd need at least one player in the mould of Reus that can play off the shoulder in wider positions for when Rooney drops deep - see how Walcott somewhat solves Arsenal's striker issues when he plays.
It's why, although it looks good on paper, I have my reservations over a lineup that involves Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj.
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Could not have said it better. Although RVP will be the one to leave this summer if any of the two were to go. Naturally, we will be out to replace him. Whoever we replace him with, we should be thinking long term here. And by that, a player who can potentially score 30/40 goals a season for us. And not going out to get a player who will always play second fiddle to Rooney and be happy with it, thereby Moyes does not have an issue to deal with.
If team selection is straight forward for a manager, then that manager in truth has not got a good team.
posted on 5/4/14
It's why, although it looks good on paper, I have my reservations over a lineup that involves Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj.
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Agreed.
While an attacking three of Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj looks brilliant on paper and would probably be sufficient for games like today, in games against tougher opposition you would definitely need a player with more speed, dynamism and defensive quality in one of the wide areas.
posted on 5/4/14
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's not really about managerial strength. When fit both have to play as they're massive players. I agree we look better with just one starting.
If either one was dropped they'd ask to leave, no doubt about that so the only reason Moyes or anyone would drop them for longer than the odd game would be if that player was to be sold in the next window.
Rooney and RvP don't do rotation under any manager.
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Whether they do rotation that's their problem. This is when good managers become great managers. No one man is more important than this club, Ferguson showed us this last season when he benched Rooney against Madrid. Something has to give here, and it takes strength from the manager to identify that playing both hinders our play, and one needs to be dropped.
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Dropping Rooney for one game is hardly the same as regularly rotating two strikers who want to play every game.
Even if Jose was our manager he wouldn't drop either regularly unless he was gonna sell one like Mata.
For all we know RvP might be sold this summer and the Mata signing was for a reason. But Moyes cannot be blamed got inheriting two players who can't play together but also can't be regularly dropped.
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Well, I think it is well known that had ferguson stayed, rooney would've been shown the door this past summer. Jose mourinho would not have played both rvp and Rooney. The man hates playing two on top.
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If he'd sold Rooney I'm sure he would have bought a new striker and probably played Kagawa less than Moyes has.
posted on 5/4/14
If team selection is straight forward for a manager, then that manager in truth has not got a good team.
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This is very true. It's why, despite how badly our squad gets slated, the manager doesn't have a straight forward team selection as we do possess a lot of quality in attack - it's just not being utilised correctly.
If RVP does leave, I wouldn't be too upset if we can build an overall more balanced side - even though I do think he's our best cf.
It might also make Hernandez stay as he could get more opportunities, particularly player in front of Mata (and I think today was the only time it's happened) and he could contribute a lot more than he has this season.
I also think it could open up more chances for the very talented James Wilson to come into the first team fold.
And in defence of Rooney and his tendency to come looking for the ball, if we have a better overall side and more creativity and control in the middle then he could adapt to playing a more disciplined cf's role if he doesn't need to keep dropping deep.
posted on 5/4/14
Agree with TRS
I am kagawas biggest fan, but against the toughest opposition we can only accommodate 2 of mata, kagawa and januzaj. The ideal solution will be to bring in a more dynamic rw while dropping one of mata/kagawa/januzaj to the bench
New rw --------mata/kagawa--------januzaj/kagawa
--------------------rooney------------------------------
The one on the bench can easily be brought on to effect the game in later stages or rested. All can be played against weaker opposition.v
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