comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
I just have this nagging feeling that LVG is over the hill now.
Is it a good idea to go for somebody who is, let's be honest, getting on a bit when the job is a BIG one and won't be fixed overnight? It's going to take 2-3 years minimum realistically just to fully recover from the Moyes effect.
I know many will disagree but I'm starting to be not that against giving it to Giggs. So long as he brings Rene back as head first team coach just to add some experience.
One thing is for sure.......the players WILL play for them. There's no doubt about it. That's half the battle won already.
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I tend to agree but will any new high profile players necessarily play for him and respect him as a manager ?
Will it just be all too cosy for some of those same players if Giggsy gets the job ?
I do feel we need a certain degree of ruthlessness going forward
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
What!!!!!!
A club that finished 11 POINTS ahead of the REST last season is that far BEHIND this year.
Dont be silly foolish person, you talk RUBBISH.
LVG finished?????? Are you an over rated Mourinho FAN????
The man is a football bulldozer, players and personnel know he is in charge, no BIG TIME CHARLIE'S can dictate to him how the club works.
LVG will kick lazy overpayed fools like Rooney in touch.
And amen to that, from a neutral that despises footballers like Rooney.
Ryan Giggs is well respected and well known all over the world. In fact, for potential foreign signings, I'd say he's far more well known that Moyes ever was.
Like I said.......coaching wise I think he'd need somebody very strong alongside him like Rene or Queiroz for example.
But as a man manager and motivator? Who knows how he could do. It could prove a masterstroke. It could be a disaster. We don't know.
And appointing LVG is no guarantee either is it?
It could prove a masterstroke. It could be a disaster. We don't know.
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Would that be the same Wayne Rooney who is close to being Manchester United's all time record scorer?
I wish I was as over rated as Rooney
You're the one who talks rubbish mate. LVG got a torrent of abuse from Bayern fans towards the end. Apparently he lost his head and lost the players.
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
Got to disagree with you here. Van Gaal is not over the hill. He still has many attributes that make him a top manager. His attacking philosophy is something alone that can add a dynamic to United and maybe Ryan. Ryan maybe needs another perspective to learn from??
Giggs taking over is a bad, bad move in my opinion. He will get the job though due to sentiment alone. We'll win our next 3 games scoring many goals and all the cracks will be papered. The issues are huge though if he is appointed! Would the likes of Rene really want to play under Giggs? Coaches far more experienced than Giggs as well. Can Giggs handle situations where he will have to drop players like RVP and Rooney and maybe other signings we will have in the summer? Will players start to question his authority, especially when the honey moon period ends? we expect to have new signings in the summer and a lot of the old guard are expected to leave in the summer. Will the new signings take to Giggs or respect him? Will top players want to play for Giggs? I think if we do hire Giggs we will suffer big time! Ferguson will be pulling the strings, don't you worry about that! What we need is Ferguson's influence reduced and an experienced manager to get us back into the top 4 and settle this team down. Under Giggs the coaches will not be adequate enough at this level I am afraid. Our club has become a joke and it's worrying. we are writing our own death. I really am worried for this club.
If giggs gets the job then i think it will be a bad move as he MIGHT pick players like fletcher and valencia simply because they are his mates and not because better players are available
I didn't say HE WAS over the hill. I said I was worried he MIGHT be.
LVG is old. There's no two ways about it. And this job is not a quick fix. The whole squad needs work and it's going to take time.
If LVG is happy to steady the ship for a few years then great stuff. I have no problems with that. But I don't see a trophy laden future under him unless he plans on staying in management till his late 60's early 70's like Fergie did.
There's a lot of work that needs doing at our club. I think some people think appointing LVG will make it all back to normal overnight.
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 21 seconds ago
I didn't say HE WAS over the hill. I said I was worried he MIGHT be.
LVG is old. There's no two ways about it. And this job is not a quick fix. The whole squad needs work and it's going to take time.
If LVG is happy to steady the ship for a few years then great stuff. I have no problems with that. But I don't see a trophy laden future under him unless he plans on staying in management till his late 60's early 70's like Fergie did.
There's a lot of work that needs doing at our club. I think some people think appointing LVG will make it all back to normal overnight.
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no one has said that
LVG will try get the club back on track and lay the foundations for the next manager
The 4 or 5 incoming players whoever they may be need to be quality, adapt quickly, fight every cause and have a winning mentality. At least one of these needs to be a real leader too IMO.
The new coach whoever that may be needs to have the tactical nous and be unfraid of reputations and make it be know he is boss from day one in no uncertain terms.
I'm not saying I'd be against LVG. He'd definitely be a sensible appointment.
All I'm saying is that he wouldn't be here that long I'd imagine. If he's happy with that, then fine.
And will the players take to him? Rooney's interview that I have only just seen on MOTD makes me believe the players would be very happy if Giggsy got the job.
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I can't make my mind up. I keep thinking Giggs would be a mistake one minute and then he could just be the answer we're looking for, the next. I knew that was a possibility if we won well today too.
And the way people talk about LVG is like it's a certainty to go well. It isn't. Nothing is in football.
What an idiotic position. If van gaal is over the hill, then giggs hasn't a fecking clue were the hill starts.
We need someone who is NOT friends with valencia, young and co, a manager who won't come kiss the ass of rooney. This is not an old boys reunion. There is a pile of history which states that is just foolishness.
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
Rooney was very happy with Moyes. This is not about making all these players happy. This is not about fun and games. These players need discipline. Giggs said in his interview he could not sleep because was upset about leaving players out. There will be times where he will have to make tough decisions and does he have the experience and bottle to upset players? Will he try to make everyone happy? He will make mistakes and when he does will the board and the Glazers give him a few seasons out of the top 4? There business model does not allow it! He would get the sack if we don't achieve the top 4 next season. With Giggs in charge we are more likely to miss out on the top 4. The situation at Utd is very fragile. It's not time for giving managers internships at Utd.
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
Nothing in football is a certainty. But having experienced and better managers increases your chances, just like having top players increases your chances of finishing higher up the league.
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Not as simple as that though is it?
Mourinho didn't even play the game. He was an interpreter. He's done okay for himself
Brendan Rogers and Martinez came into management very early too and look at them now.
Guardiola another.
There's no saying Giggs couldn't do well. He's the most decorated player in our club's history and is probably the most respected man at the club too. Players will want to play for him.
Like I said, LVG would be a sensible appointment and I'd be fine with it. But I would be worried about the longevity of it and whether he's got it in him at his age to totally revamp the team. It's a huge job that needs doing by whoever comes in.
No mercy in the cull, no room for sentiment. We need to move fast and get back on track. I don't see Giggs being the answer. He needs to get his experience as a coach and carry on his progression. Of course the players want him, they are familiar with him and respect him. All too cosy. Human nature dictates people don't like change and these changes have been huge.
Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
Unfortunately, at the moment United are in crisis. The club is being run like a circus. we have a chief executive wanting to buy superstars without a plan. we had a former manager picking a clown to manage us because of his roots in Glasgow and longevity and now we will probably hire a manager, again because of Ferguson, who has zero managerial experience. He will be hired due to sentiment and United will stay still in mid-table after the honey moon period ends with Giggs. As soon as Ferguson retired, the club lost the plot. Media control has been embarrassing, our dealings and behavior has been amateurish. United right now are in decline.
There was a mutiny, not too dissimilar to what happened to Moyes, to Van Gaal at Bayern only a few years ago.
He upset the apple cart and lost the dressing room apparently.
He's not the bed of roses that some people think he is.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/raphael_honigstein/04/14/vangaal.bayern/
If you read that article......you might get where I'm coming from.
comment by ManUtdNeedChange (U19544)
posted 4 minutes ago
Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
Unfortunately, at the moment United are in crisis. The club is being run like a circus. we have a chief executive wanting to buy superstars without a plan. we had a former manager picking a clown to manage us because of his roots in Glasgow and longevity and now we will probably hire a manager, again because of Ferguson, who has zero managerial experience. He will be hired due to sentiment and United will stay still in mid-table after the honey moon period ends with Giggs. As soon as Ferguson retired, the club lost the plot. Media control has been embarrassing, our dealings and behavior has been amateurish. United right now are in decline.
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This guy is an idiot.
Best scenario is LVG coming in and making giggs his assistant coach. Giggs to take over from him in 4 5 years. Hopefully giggs learn and pick up some good stuff from him
Over the hill comment is funny. People are forgetting Bayern's current success was started by LVG not so long ago. And dutch football federation is not stupid to appoint LVG as coach if they thought he was over the hill.
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 37 seconds ago
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/raphael_honigstein/04/14/vangaal.bayern/
If you read that article......you might get where I'm coming from.
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Yep it doesn't sound that promising if you just read that. But if you look at his honours won it's a long list !
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
There are many ego's at Bayern. They are not starting to feel uneasy with Pep. They have had 7 managers since 2007. They usually have a manager every 2 years. Is that the fault of the manager or the club?
Van Gaal is not perfect I agree but he is certainly better than Giggs, which in my opinion will prove a disaster. He has experience and is only here to settle us down.
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posted on 26/4/14
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
I just have this nagging feeling that LVG is over the hill now.
Is it a good idea to go for somebody who is, let's be honest, getting on a bit when the job is a BIG one and won't be fixed overnight? It's going to take 2-3 years minimum realistically just to fully recover from the Moyes effect.
I know many will disagree but I'm starting to be not that against giving it to Giggs. So long as he brings Rene back as head first team coach just to add some experience.
One thing is for sure.......the players WILL play for them. There's no doubt about it. That's half the battle won already.
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I tend to agree but will any new high profile players necessarily play for him and respect him as a manager ?
Will it just be all too cosy for some of those same players if Giggsy gets the job ?
I do feel we need a certain degree of ruthlessness going forward
posted on 26/4/14
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
What!!!!!!
A club that finished 11 POINTS ahead of the REST last season is that far BEHIND this year.
Dont be silly foolish person, you talk RUBBISH.
LVG finished?????? Are you an over rated Mourinho FAN????
The man is a football bulldozer, players and personnel know he is in charge, no BIG TIME CHARLIE'S can dictate to him how the club works.
LVG will kick lazy overpayed fools like Rooney in touch.
And amen to that, from a neutral that despises footballers like Rooney.
posted on 26/4/14
Ryan Giggs is well respected and well known all over the world. In fact, for potential foreign signings, I'd say he's far more well known that Moyes ever was.
Like I said.......coaching wise I think he'd need somebody very strong alongside him like Rene or Queiroz for example.
But as a man manager and motivator? Who knows how he could do. It could prove a masterstroke. It could be a disaster. We don't know.
And appointing LVG is no guarantee either is it?
posted on 26/4/14
It could prove a masterstroke. It could be a disaster. We don't know.
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It certainly won't be dull!
posted on 26/4/14
Bossman
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Would that be the same Wayne Rooney who is close to being Manchester United's all time record scorer?
I wish I was as over rated as Rooney
You're the one who talks rubbish mate. LVG got a torrent of abuse from Bayern fans towards the end. Apparently he lost his head and lost the players.
posted on 26/4/14
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
Got to disagree with you here. Van Gaal is not over the hill. He still has many attributes that make him a top manager. His attacking philosophy is something alone that can add a dynamic to United and maybe Ryan. Ryan maybe needs another perspective to learn from??
Giggs taking over is a bad, bad move in my opinion. He will get the job though due to sentiment alone. We'll win our next 3 games scoring many goals and all the cracks will be papered. The issues are huge though if he is appointed! Would the likes of Rene really want to play under Giggs? Coaches far more experienced than Giggs as well. Can Giggs handle situations where he will have to drop players like RVP and Rooney and maybe other signings we will have in the summer? Will players start to question his authority, especially when the honey moon period ends? we expect to have new signings in the summer and a lot of the old guard are expected to leave in the summer. Will the new signings take to Giggs or respect him? Will top players want to play for Giggs? I think if we do hire Giggs we will suffer big time! Ferguson will be pulling the strings, don't you worry about that! What we need is Ferguson's influence reduced and an experienced manager to get us back into the top 4 and settle this team down. Under Giggs the coaches will not be adequate enough at this level I am afraid. Our club has become a joke and it's worrying. we are writing our own death. I really am worried for this club.
posted on 26/4/14
If giggs gets the job then i think it will be a bad move as he MIGHT pick players like fletcher and valencia simply because they are his mates and not because better players are available
posted on 26/4/14
I didn't say HE WAS over the hill. I said I was worried he MIGHT be.
LVG is old. There's no two ways about it. And this job is not a quick fix. The whole squad needs work and it's going to take time.
If LVG is happy to steady the ship for a few years then great stuff. I have no problems with that. But I don't see a trophy laden future under him unless he plans on staying in management till his late 60's early 70's like Fergie did.
There's a lot of work that needs doing at our club. I think some people think appointing LVG will make it all back to normal overnight.
posted on 26/4/14
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 21 seconds ago
I didn't say HE WAS over the hill. I said I was worried he MIGHT be.
LVG is old. There's no two ways about it. And this job is not a quick fix. The whole squad needs work and it's going to take time.
If LVG is happy to steady the ship for a few years then great stuff. I have no problems with that. But I don't see a trophy laden future under him unless he plans on staying in management till his late 60's early 70's like Fergie did.
There's a lot of work that needs doing at our club. I think some people think appointing LVG will make it all back to normal overnight.
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no one has said that
LVG will try get the club back on track and lay the foundations for the next manager
posted on 26/4/14
The 4 or 5 incoming players whoever they may be need to be quality, adapt quickly, fight every cause and have a winning mentality. At least one of these needs to be a real leader too IMO.
The new coach whoever that may be needs to have the tactical nous and be unfraid of reputations and make it be know he is boss from day one in no uncertain terms.
posted on 26/4/14
I'm not saying I'd be against LVG. He'd definitely be a sensible appointment.
All I'm saying is that he wouldn't be here that long I'd imagine. If he's happy with that, then fine.
And will the players take to him? Rooney's interview that I have only just seen on MOTD makes me believe the players would be very happy if Giggsy got the job.
posted on 26/4/14
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posted on 26/4/14
I can't make my mind up. I keep thinking Giggs would be a mistake one minute and then he could just be the answer we're looking for, the next. I knew that was a possibility if we won well today too.
And the way people talk about LVG is like it's a certainty to go well. It isn't. Nothing is in football.
posted on 26/4/14
What an idiotic position. If van gaal is over the hill, then giggs hasn't a fecking clue were the hill starts.
We need someone who is NOT friends with valencia, young and co, a manager who won't come kiss the ass of rooney. This is not an old boys reunion. There is a pile of history which states that is just foolishness.
posted on 26/4/14
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
Rooney was very happy with Moyes. This is not about making all these players happy. This is not about fun and games. These players need discipline. Giggs said in his interview he could not sleep because was upset about leaving players out. There will be times where he will have to make tough decisions and does he have the experience and bottle to upset players? Will he try to make everyone happy? He will make mistakes and when he does will the board and the Glazers give him a few seasons out of the top 4? There business model does not allow it! He would get the sack if we don't achieve the top 4 next season. With Giggs in charge we are more likely to miss out on the top 4. The situation at Utd is very fragile. It's not time for giving managers internships at Utd.
posted on 26/4/14
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
Nothing in football is a certainty. But having experienced and better managers increases your chances, just like having top players increases your chances of finishing higher up the league.
posted on 26/4/14
Redastomatoes
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Not as simple as that though is it?
Mourinho didn't even play the game. He was an interpreter. He's done okay for himself
Brendan Rogers and Martinez came into management very early too and look at them now.
Guardiola another.
There's no saying Giggs couldn't do well. He's the most decorated player in our club's history and is probably the most respected man at the club too. Players will want to play for him.
Like I said, LVG would be a sensible appointment and I'd be fine with it. But I would be worried about the longevity of it and whether he's got it in him at his age to totally revamp the team. It's a huge job that needs doing by whoever comes in.
posted on 26/4/14
No mercy in the cull, no room for sentiment. We need to move fast and get back on track. I don't see Giggs being the answer. He needs to get his experience as a coach and carry on his progression. Of course the players want him, they are familiar with him and respect him. All too cosy. Human nature dictates people don't like change and these changes have been huge.
posted on 26/4/14
Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
Unfortunately, at the moment United are in crisis. The club is being run like a circus. we have a chief executive wanting to buy superstars without a plan. we had a former manager picking a clown to manage us because of his roots in Glasgow and longevity and now we will probably hire a manager, again because of Ferguson, who has zero managerial experience. He will be hired due to sentiment and United will stay still in mid-table after the honey moon period ends with Giggs. As soon as Ferguson retired, the club lost the plot. Media control has been embarrassing, our dealings and behavior has been amateurish. United right now are in decline.
posted on 26/4/14
There was a mutiny, not too dissimilar to what happened to Moyes, to Van Gaal at Bayern only a few years ago.
He upset the apple cart and lost the dressing room apparently.
He's not the bed of roses that some people think he is.
posted on 26/4/14
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/raphael_honigstein/04/14/vangaal.bayern/
If you read that article......you might get where I'm coming from.
posted on 26/4/14
comment by ManUtdNeedChange (U19544)
posted 4 minutes ago
Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
Unfortunately, at the moment United are in crisis. The club is being run like a circus. we have a chief executive wanting to buy superstars without a plan. we had a former manager picking a clown to manage us because of his roots in Glasgow and longevity and now we will probably hire a manager, again because of Ferguson, who has zero managerial experience. He will be hired due to sentiment and United will stay still in mid-table after the honey moon period ends with Giggs. As soon as Ferguson retired, the club lost the plot. Media control has been embarrassing, our dealings and behavior has been amateurish. United right now are in decline.
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This guy is an idiot.
posted on 26/4/14
Best scenario is LVG coming in and making giggs his assistant coach. Giggs to take over from him in 4 5 years. Hopefully giggs learn and pick up some good stuff from him
Over the hill comment is funny. People are forgetting Bayern's current success was started by LVG not so long ago. And dutch football federation is not stupid to appoint LVG as coach if they thought he was over the hill.
posted on 26/4/14
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 37 seconds ago
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/raphael_honigstein/04/14/vangaal.bayern/
If you read that article......you might get where I'm coming from.
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Yep it doesn't sound that promising if you just read that. But if you look at his honours won it's a long list !
posted on 26/4/14
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
There are many ego's at Bayern. They are not starting to feel uneasy with Pep. They have had 7 managers since 2007. They usually have a manager every 2 years. Is that the fault of the manager or the club?
Van Gaal is not perfect I agree but he is certainly better than Giggs, which in my opinion will prove a disaster. He has experience and is only here to settle us down.
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