comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 9 minutes ago
Redastomatoes
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Not as simple as that though is it?
Mourinho didn't even play the game. He was an interpreter. He's done okay for himself
Brendan Rogers and Martinez came into management very early too and look at them now.
Guardiola another.
There's no saying Giggs couldn't do well. He's the most decorated player in our club's history and is probably the most respected man at the club too. Players will want to play for him.
Like I said, LVG would be a sensible appointment and I'd be fine with it. But I would be worried about the longevity of it and whether he's got it in him at his age to totally revamp the team. It's a huge job that needs doing by whoever comes in.
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Well said. When I was a kid Kenny Dalglish was still playing when he took over at Liverpool. He was very successful.
No-one knows whether Giggs will be great or not but if he becomes manager he could very well do well. He's one of the most respected men in football and he'll no doubt bring Rene back.
It'll probably be Van Gaal and I'm sure that will be exciting for many reasons but if Giggs gets the job I hope people don't write him off too early because other young managers have shown that they can succeed. Giggs isn't just some guy off the street. He's been learning off the best for decades.
Brendan Rogers and Martinez came into
management very early too and look at them
now.
Guardiola another.
************
All had at least a year of management under their belt.
Giggs could become the greatest manger the world has ever seen but a move like this would ruin him totally, not maybe, will.
In any case any old boy who wants to manage united needs to know the importance of our youth team. What he did today not having one youth player on the bench, played players he only knew including a rio who is done and vidic who is gone should freak you out.
Mourinho, guardiola and any great manager or one of potential has undergone a growing process. To deny giggs the chance to to undergo this is just setting him up for failure many of our other greats can attest to.
comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 15 seconds ago
Brendan Rogers and Martinez came into
management very early too and look at them
now.
Guardiola another.
************
All had at least a year of management under their belt.
Giggs could become the greatest manger the world has ever seen but a move like this would ruin him totally, not maybe, will.
In any case any old boy who wants to manage united needs to know the importance of our youth team. What he did today not having one youth player on the bench, played players he only knew including a rio who is done and vidic who is gone should freak you out.
Mourinho, guardiola and any great manager or one of potential has undergone a growing process. To deny giggs the chance to to undergo this is just setting him up for failure many of our other greats can attest to.
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The best comment on this thread.
Most of his managerial success was between 95 and 99.
That's an awfully long time ago.
Since then he had a brief spell at Bayern (2009) where he won a few trophies but totally lost the plot and alienated himself which resulted in a player mutiny.
LVG is a risk too.
comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
Brendan Rogers and Martinez came into
management very early too and look at them
now.
Guardiola another.
************
All had at least a year of management under their belt.
Giggs could become the greatest manger the world has ever seen but a move like this would ruin him totally, not maybe, will.
In any case any old boy who wants to manage united needs to know the importance of our youth team. What he did today not having one youth player on the bench, played players he only knew including a rio who is done and vidic who is gone should freak you out.
Mourinho, guardiola and any great manager or one of potential has undergone a growing process. To deny giggs the chance to to undergo this is just setting him up for failure many of our other greats can attest to.
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Rubbish.
You slate Giggs and say he doesn't know the importance of the youth team?
The same youth team he came from.
I've heard it all now.
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
LVG is a risk like any manager, however, he is not as much a risk or near as much a risk as Giggs No certainties in football but if we do have a bad year under Giggs what do we do? Do we sack him because believe me it could ruin him! Glazers are ruthless when it comes to the sack! Giggs needs his time grow at a smaller club and then earn his right to manage!
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
I bet your happy about Rooney breaking that record so to speak.
The man is everything that I despise about the modern game, a man that has no honour, no integrity, no discipline in adapting to new methods.
Ferguson knew this, and tested him in his final season.
BIG TIME CHARLIE springs to mind when Wayne Rooney is mentioned.
I think that LVG might have seen his better days as a manager. however he is the type of manager in Europe who can attract the top players.
he will be a safe pair of hands with Glazers war chest and will probably bag the playes he wants (rather than Moyes or Giggs who would struggle.
I hear that LVG wants Kluivert and Giggs as his assistants. Give LVG 3 years and then one of these two (probably Giggs) might take over
Rooney has done NOTHING of any significance, for your national team as well as United.
Ronnie was always the one that outshone him when UNITED really did have a team, and now it's RVP that has performed as a MVP these last few seasons.
Rooney is c rap.
rooney has done nothing of significance for United
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what a plank
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10790354/Manchester-United-demand-next-Premier-League-title-from-whichever-manager-succeeds-David-Moyes.html
Does Giggs really want this pressure? Could he handle it? Seems our board think we can win the league next season.
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955) posted 5 minutes ago
"Most of his managerial success was between 95 and 99.
That's an awfully long time ago.
Since then he had a brief spell at Bayern (2009) where he won a few trophies but totally lost the plot and alienated himself which resulted in a player mutiny.
LVG is a risk too. "
He was at AZ Alkmaar between 2005-9.
He finished 2nd, 3rd, 11th and then finally won the Eredevisie in his final season there.
I think that is a respectable achievement considering that Ajax, Psv, Feyenoord etc are bigger clubs and managing to win a league title for an unfancied side like AZ was a decent accolade.
For what its worth, I think LVG would be an excellent appointment, but like you say, nothing is certain you can only speculate.
I wish I had 5 titles, 1 European Cup and was United's 3rd all time record scorer soon to be number 1.
And he's on course to break Sir Bobby's England record too.
So not only is he going to be Utd's leading scorer. He's going to be Englands too.
So do yourself a favour bossman and shut the fecccck up because you know nothing.
Rubbish.
You slate Giggs and say he doesn't know the
importance of the youth team?
The same youth team he came from.
I've heard it all now.
**************
Hmm... Unlike every other manager who did not come from a youth team? Or do you think he would be the first one? Do not be the one minded idiot you tend to be.
Just because he came from it does not mean he will favour it. In any case it was just an early sign of what he takes to be important. He has got to learn. We had a manager with 15 years history in management come in and try learning on the job and failed woefully. Or do you want the joke that is timmy boy to be the future for giggs? Fecking one game.
To compare the Giggs situation to Guardiola is laughable. The latter inherited Xavi, Messi and Iniesta to work with. The former if given the job will work with young, clevs and valencia. I hope we do not sign Giggs, it will be a sad day to read a headline that reads Ryan Giggs sacked by Manchester united.
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scholayScholes (U13961)
And believe me, if he is made manager; this time next year that headline will be read.
Stretty for what it's worth I think LVG is the man united need to kick the c rap out of your current crop of players.
The man knows football and he is perfect for what United need for the PRESENT.
PS Kick that t wat out of your club ASAP. He's a wrong ern with his GREEDY, MANIPULATIVE negotiation ransom skills.
David Moyes is proof that experience isn't always the way to go.
He was supposed to have done "his dues" and worked his way up to the BIG job. And look what happened. It was a total disaster.
A man with 15 years in the trade did worse than Giggs would have probably done for me. Why? Because he didn't have the respect of the players.
Just came back to this thread after my earlier post. I'll never understand the need to sign Ryan Giggs as our Manager. People are here telling us we need a Manager with experience, who's won trophies, who can bring a playing style and so forth.
We have one in van Gaal, and yet some are favouring Giggs. The man, who's managed 1 game. Feck me!
comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
Rubbish.
You slate Giggs and say he doesn't know the
importance of the youth team?
The same youth team he came from.
I've heard it all now.
**************
Hmm... Unlike every other manager who did not come from a youth team? Or do you think he would be the first one? Do not be the one minded idiot you tend to be.
Just because he came from it does not mean he will favour it. In any case it was just an early sign of what he takes to be important. He has got to learn. We had a manager with 15 years history in management come in and try learning on the job and failed woefully. Or do you want the joke that is timmy boy to be the future for giggs? Fecking one game.
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Yes I do have one mind.
Anyway, I'm not judging anything on one game. And i don't even think there's any way Giggs will get the job as van Gaal will probably be announced in the next 48 hours.
But hypothetically if Giggs was given the job there are lots of reasons why he could be a success. You seem to write him off because Moyes failed without realising their situations are completely different. Moyes lost the dressing room hence why he couldn't implement any plan or vision onto the side. Giggs won't have that problem.
Giggs has worked with some of the best coaches in his time at United and knows all about the youth system as well as winning trophies and he himself is an inspiration. The guy has lots of qualities that a good manager should have.
Anyway, like I said, he won't get the job yet. But if he did it's far from certain he'd fail.
A man with 15 years in the trade did worse than Giggs would have probably done for me. Why? Because he didn't have the respect of the players.
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For me, shows the professionalism of the players. They've been in the business long enough to understand it takes time to succeed in this game. We have Gary Neville, someone we'd all love in the backroom staff saying the same thing.
They may not have agreed with his ideas, but a lack of respect for a Manager is something I expect from the likes of Chelsea players who have been showered in money.
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just came back to this thread after my earlier post. I'll never understand the need to sign Ryan Giggs as our Manager. People are here telling us we need a Manager with experience, who's won trophies, who can bring a playing style and so forth.
We have one in van Gaal, and yet some are favouring Giggs. The man, who's managed 1 game. Feck me!
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This
Giggs is ambitious and is hungry and wants the job. He picked today's team with that in mind. To win the last 4 games and started with players with experience who he thought would bring the result and it did, so well done.
Now as far is he is concerned is not the time for youth.
It may be being selfish but he wants to win these next 3 games now and give himself the best possible chance. I doubt whether we will now see Wilson this season and wouldn't be surprised if we don't see Januzaj again much this season.
Just came back to this thread after my earlier post. I'll never understand the need to sign Ryan Giggs as our Manager. People are here telling us we need a Manager with experience, who's won trophies, who can bring a playing style and so forth.
We have one in van Gaal, and yet some are favouring Giggs. The man, who's managed 1 game. Feck me!
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It's not as clear cut as that. But nothing surprises me on this site. People jump to conclusions without reading responses properly.
I've simply put both sides of the argument across. There are pro and con's of going either direction.
I really don't think many people on here know what a lunatic LVG has been though. Bayern couldn't wait to get shot of him in the end.
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posted on 26/4/14
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 9 minutes ago
Redastomatoes
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Not as simple as that though is it?
Mourinho didn't even play the game. He was an interpreter. He's done okay for himself
Brendan Rogers and Martinez came into management very early too and look at them now.
Guardiola another.
There's no saying Giggs couldn't do well. He's the most decorated player in our club's history and is probably the most respected man at the club too. Players will want to play for him.
Like I said, LVG would be a sensible appointment and I'd be fine with it. But I would be worried about the longevity of it and whether he's got it in him at his age to totally revamp the team. It's a huge job that needs doing by whoever comes in.
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Well said. When I was a kid Kenny Dalglish was still playing when he took over at Liverpool. He was very successful.
No-one knows whether Giggs will be great or not but if he becomes manager he could very well do well. He's one of the most respected men in football and he'll no doubt bring Rene back.
It'll probably be Van Gaal and I'm sure that will be exciting for many reasons but if Giggs gets the job I hope people don't write him off too early because other young managers have shown that they can succeed. Giggs isn't just some guy off the street. He's been learning off the best for decades.
posted on 26/4/14
Brendan Rogers and Martinez came into
management very early too and look at them
now.
Guardiola another.
************
All had at least a year of management under their belt.
Giggs could become the greatest manger the world has ever seen but a move like this would ruin him totally, not maybe, will.
In any case any old boy who wants to manage united needs to know the importance of our youth team. What he did today not having one youth player on the bench, played players he only knew including a rio who is done and vidic who is gone should freak you out.
Mourinho, guardiola and any great manager or one of potential has undergone a growing process. To deny giggs the chance to to undergo this is just setting him up for failure many of our other greats can attest to.
posted on 26/4/14
comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 15 seconds ago
Brendan Rogers and Martinez came into
management very early too and look at them
now.
Guardiola another.
************
All had at least a year of management under their belt.
Giggs could become the greatest manger the world has ever seen but a move like this would ruin him totally, not maybe, will.
In any case any old boy who wants to manage united needs to know the importance of our youth team. What he did today not having one youth player on the bench, played players he only knew including a rio who is done and vidic who is gone should freak you out.
Mourinho, guardiola and any great manager or one of potential has undergone a growing process. To deny giggs the chance to to undergo this is just setting him up for failure many of our other greats can attest to.
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The best comment on this thread.
posted on 26/4/14
Most of his managerial success was between 95 and 99.
That's an awfully long time ago.
Since then he had a brief spell at Bayern (2009) where he won a few trophies but totally lost the plot and alienated himself which resulted in a player mutiny.
LVG is a risk too.
posted on 26/4/14
comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
Brendan Rogers and Martinez came into
management very early too and look at them
now.
Guardiola another.
************
All had at least a year of management under their belt.
Giggs could become the greatest manger the world has ever seen but a move like this would ruin him totally, not maybe, will.
In any case any old boy who wants to manage united needs to know the importance of our youth team. What he did today not having one youth player on the bench, played players he only knew including a rio who is done and vidic who is gone should freak you out.
Mourinho, guardiola and any great manager or one of potential has undergone a growing process. To deny giggs the chance to to undergo this is just setting him up for failure many of our other greats can attest to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rubbish.
You slate Giggs and say he doesn't know the importance of the youth team?
The same youth team he came from.
I've heard it all now.
posted on 26/4/14
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
LVG is a risk like any manager, however, he is not as much a risk or near as much a risk as Giggs No certainties in football but if we do have a bad year under Giggs what do we do? Do we sack him because believe me it could ruin him! Glazers are ruthless when it comes to the sack! Giggs needs his time grow at a smaller club and then earn his right to manage!
posted on 26/4/14
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
I bet your happy about Rooney breaking that record so to speak.
The man is everything that I despise about the modern game, a man that has no honour, no integrity, no discipline in adapting to new methods.
Ferguson knew this, and tested him in his final season.
BIG TIME CHARLIE springs to mind when Wayne Rooney is mentioned.
posted on 26/4/14
I think that LVG might have seen his better days as a manager. however he is the type of manager in Europe who can attract the top players.
he will be a safe pair of hands with Glazers war chest and will probably bag the playes he wants (rather than Moyes or Giggs who would struggle.
I hear that LVG wants Kluivert and Giggs as his assistants. Give LVG 3 years and then one of these two (probably Giggs) might take over
posted on 27/4/14
Rooney has done NOTHING of any significance, for your national team as well as United.
Ronnie was always the one that outshone him when UNITED really did have a team, and now it's RVP that has performed as a MVP these last few seasons.
Rooney is c rap.
posted on 27/4/14
rooney has done nothing of significance for United
***
what a plank
posted on 27/4/14
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10790354/Manchester-United-demand-next-Premier-League-title-from-whichever-manager-succeeds-David-Moyes.html
Does Giggs really want this pressure? Could he handle it? Seems our board think we can win the league next season.
posted on 27/4/14
Stretford_Ender85 (U10955) posted 5 minutes ago
"Most of his managerial success was between 95 and 99.
That's an awfully long time ago.
Since then he had a brief spell at Bayern (2009) where he won a few trophies but totally lost the plot and alienated himself which resulted in a player mutiny.
LVG is a risk too. "
He was at AZ Alkmaar between 2005-9.
He finished 2nd, 3rd, 11th and then finally won the Eredevisie in his final season there.
I think that is a respectable achievement considering that Ajax, Psv, Feyenoord etc are bigger clubs and managing to win a league title for an unfancied side like AZ was a decent accolade.
For what its worth, I think LVG would be an excellent appointment, but like you say, nothing is certain you can only speculate.
posted on 27/4/14
I wish I had 5 titles, 1 European Cup and was United's 3rd all time record scorer soon to be number 1.
And he's on course to break Sir Bobby's England record too.
So not only is he going to be Utd's leading scorer. He's going to be Englands too.
So do yourself a favour bossman and shut the fecccck up because you know nothing.
posted on 27/4/14
Rubbish.
You slate Giggs and say he doesn't know the
importance of the youth team?
The same youth team he came from.
I've heard it all now.
**************
Hmm... Unlike every other manager who did not come from a youth team? Or do you think he would be the first one? Do not be the one minded idiot you tend to be.
Just because he came from it does not mean he will favour it. In any case it was just an early sign of what he takes to be important. He has got to learn. We had a manager with 15 years history in management come in and try learning on the job and failed woefully. Or do you want the joke that is timmy boy to be the future for giggs? Fecking one game.
posted on 27/4/14
To compare the Giggs situation to Guardiola is laughable. The latter inherited Xavi, Messi and Iniesta to work with. The former if given the job will work with young, clevs and valencia. I hope we do not sign Giggs, it will be a sad day to read a headline that reads Ryan Giggs sacked by Manchester united.
posted on 27/4/14
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posted on 27/4/14
scholayScholes (U13961)
And believe me, if he is made manager; this time next year that headline will be read.
posted on 27/4/14
Stretty for what it's worth I think LVG is the man united need to kick the c rap out of your current crop of players.
The man knows football and he is perfect for what United need for the PRESENT.
PS Kick that t wat out of your club ASAP. He's a wrong ern with his GREEDY, MANIPULATIVE negotiation ransom skills.
posted on 27/4/14
David Moyes is proof that experience isn't always the way to go.
He was supposed to have done "his dues" and worked his way up to the BIG job. And look what happened. It was a total disaster.
A man with 15 years in the trade did worse than Giggs would have probably done for me. Why? Because he didn't have the respect of the players.
posted on 27/4/14
Just came back to this thread after my earlier post. I'll never understand the need to sign Ryan Giggs as our Manager. People are here telling us we need a Manager with experience, who's won trophies, who can bring a playing style and so forth.
We have one in van Gaal, and yet some are favouring Giggs. The man, who's managed 1 game. Feck me!
posted on 27/4/14
comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
Rubbish.
You slate Giggs and say he doesn't know the
importance of the youth team?
The same youth team he came from.
I've heard it all now.
**************
Hmm... Unlike every other manager who did not come from a youth team? Or do you think he would be the first one? Do not be the one minded idiot you tend to be.
Just because he came from it does not mean he will favour it. In any case it was just an early sign of what he takes to be important. He has got to learn. We had a manager with 15 years history in management come in and try learning on the job and failed woefully. Or do you want the joke that is timmy boy to be the future for giggs? Fecking one game.
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Yes I do have one mind.
Anyway, I'm not judging anything on one game. And i don't even think there's any way Giggs will get the job as van Gaal will probably be announced in the next 48 hours.
But hypothetically if Giggs was given the job there are lots of reasons why he could be a success. You seem to write him off because Moyes failed without realising their situations are completely different. Moyes lost the dressing room hence why he couldn't implement any plan or vision onto the side. Giggs won't have that problem.
Giggs has worked with some of the best coaches in his time at United and knows all about the youth system as well as winning trophies and he himself is an inspiration. The guy has lots of qualities that a good manager should have.
Anyway, like I said, he won't get the job yet. But if he did it's far from certain he'd fail.
posted on 27/4/14
A man with 15 years in the trade did worse than Giggs would have probably done for me. Why? Because he didn't have the respect of the players.
-----
For me, shows the professionalism of the players. They've been in the business long enough to understand it takes time to succeed in this game. We have Gary Neville, someone we'd all love in the backroom staff saying the same thing.
They may not have agreed with his ideas, but a lack of respect for a Manager is something I expect from the likes of Chelsea players who have been showered in money.
posted on 27/4/14
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just came back to this thread after my earlier post. I'll never understand the need to sign Ryan Giggs as our Manager. People are here telling us we need a Manager with experience, who's won trophies, who can bring a playing style and so forth.
We have one in van Gaal, and yet some are favouring Giggs. The man, who's managed 1 game. Feck me!
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This
posted on 27/4/14
Giggs is ambitious and is hungry and wants the job. He picked today's team with that in mind. To win the last 4 games and started with players with experience who he thought would bring the result and it did, so well done.
Now as far is he is concerned is not the time for youth.
It may be being selfish but he wants to win these next 3 games now and give himself the best possible chance. I doubt whether we will now see Wilson this season and wouldn't be surprised if we don't see Januzaj again much this season.
posted on 27/4/14
Just came back to this thread after my earlier post. I'll never understand the need to sign Ryan Giggs as our Manager. People are here telling us we need a Manager with experience, who's won trophies, who can bring a playing style and so forth.
We have one in van Gaal, and yet some are favouring Giggs. The man, who's managed 1 game. Feck me!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not as clear cut as that. But nothing surprises me on this site. People jump to conclusions without reading responses properly.
I've simply put both sides of the argument across. There are pro and con's of going either direction.
I really don't think many people on here know what a lunatic LVG has been though. Bayern couldn't wait to get shot of him in the end.
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