this is where we disagree

the conflict is there IMO

Israel/Palestine is the excuse, not the reason

if it wasn't that area/conflict they'd just pick another. Or, as a more likely scenario, they'd create one.

it's all orchestrated and excuses.

if one side killed everyone on the other the next fight would be on eye colour or religious sect because all other religions were extinct

let's have a killing and power grab party

that's humans

IMO

So how do Al Qaeda recruit people to commit suicide, I assume the videos/personal experiences/news/history (combined with religion) is how they could recruit people to give up their lives to hit at the enemy...

But are you saying they would have done it regardless?

Even if the West had never done anything to Islam and never given it a single excuse to dislike it that 9/11 and 7/7 would have still happened?!

But why?

Why not Brazil instead it if is just done for the sheer hell of it... why not Chile... why not Costa Rica...

Why do they hate America so much if not because of Israel and various other things they have done in the middle east?

Surely you are not saying that even if the West had treated the Muslims perfectly there would have still been terrorist attacks?

One quick last point, if all you say is true.... why has the IR A terrorism all of a sudden dried up now their 'excuse' has gone if it was only ever an excuse to begin with? surely we would still be suffering just as much today if that was only ever an excuse....

South America is an epicentre of atrocity, genocide and oppression

The I,RA actually prove my point. Near identical genetics/skin colour and nearly identical religion. Death everywhere.

Lulls in the status quo ebb and flow

But the killing always comes around again

South America is an epicentre of atrocity, genocide and oppression
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But Al Qaeda doesn't target them.... why?

Surely there must be a reason.... I think its because they have nothing to do with Israel or the other crimes committed by the West against Muslims. Apparently this is not true though... so why don't they?

Chile actually has one of the highest Palestinian populations abroad and they have no terrorism trouble... surely there is a reason behind terrorism directed at the West but not them?

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The I,RA actually prove my point. Near identical genetics/skin colour and nearly identical religion. Death everywhere.
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But why have they stopped killing people...

I would say because we sat down and talked to them, because the UK government was reasonable, you seem to think that would have just been an excuse to begin with... so why have they stopped then?

and what is going to start the IR A back up short of Britain doing something bad to the republic? surely they wouldn't just start blowing up britain again just for the hell of it?

No Muslim terrorism trouble I should have said, in regards to Chile.....

I wasn't specifying Muslim terrorism

just death

we always find a way

Ohh yeah we will always probably be killing each other to some level...

But my point is, the Israel-Palestine conflict causes even more of this killing our way than is naturally inevitable, so for that reason it very much does affect us! (also wars=expensive!)

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are these nutjobs still on here spouting their racist bile


#brainwashednutters

This is still going?

That must mean that everyone is still trying to stick to their political viewpoint rather than agree that there is absolutely no excuse for bombing innocent civilians.

Anyone offered up any justification for this yet? Real justification - Not highlighting all the things Hamas have done - The death of one Hamas 'terrorist' is not worth any civilians dying for.

I wish there was an insulting and vile word that could be used to describe people who care more about their political views than the actual lives of people dying - I wish there was a sufficiently hate filled word to make you feel alienated and oppressed.

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point about suicide
in islam suicide is forbidden as we are not allowed to take another person life. We are thought to love one another whether there are christians, buddhist, hindus or jews. These people who preach about suicide are minority people who are trying to bring down islam. It's like saying EDL and BNP don't like brown or black people but does that not mean we accuse or think every white person thinks or says that.

who exactly do we call terrorist muslim, non muslims or both. to call muslims terrorist of 9/11 is absurd when no one has proof who done the nut job. russian or Ukraine taking the malaysian plane down with innocent people, do we call them terrorist. Do we call america terrorist for taking down a iran plane with innocent people about 20/30 years ago and still have not recieved a apology from americans. There are russian killing Ukrainian people no one calling them terrorist, israel killing people in gaza no one calling them terrorist..BUT when Ukraine forces hit back its self defence and when hamas hit back its terrorist. The reason for this is MEDIA. there show you what they want you see and make you hear what they want

So all the murdered children in Gaza were terrorists?

according to some people

i mean the kids that were playing on the beach were not playing football but i think in their eyes they were kicking a bomb

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist

If you are the oppressor, the enemy are terrorists
If you are the oppressed, they are freedom fighters

It's western paranoia out of control.

Countries like America thinks everyone hates them and is out to get them, so acts over 'defensively' thus leading to almost everyone hating them.......which is ideal for them

Saying things like 'Hamas want all Jews killed' is all well and good but do you really think the children Israel bombed wanted any/all Jews killed?

The problem is, if you grow up as a child having your family killed by these mysterious people who have occupied your homeland.....would it not be natural to hate them? The more Israel punishes Gaza, the more resistance there will be - Generations of children who know nothing of Israel other than the death they have brought to their lives.

If Israel REALLY cared solely about getting rid of Hamas, this would be a full on ground operation without the air assaults.

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posted 4 minutes ago
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist

If you are the oppressor, the enemy are terrorists
If you are the oppressed, they are freedom fighters
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But a child is a child, and cannot willfully be a terrorist so there's really no subjectivity on this matter

Trying to justify the reasons behind the bombing of Gaza just makes people seem cold and that they value the lives of their innocent civilians over other innocent civilians.

too man innocents people have been killed in gaza i dont see this war finishing any time soon. I have a feeling sooner than later hamas will eventually get into israel, remember its their homeland so they will find a way and once they do they will be a massacre and that is when it will explode. amercia and uk will intervene and so will some arab countries

off topic but ebola virus and this conflict between palestine and israel remind you of a movie called world war z..who would have thought something simliar could happen

comment by Wild_ Rover (U5211)
posted 8 minutes ago
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist

If you are the oppressor, the enemy are terrorists
If you are the oppressed, they are freedom fighters
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Wild Rover – That is hardly relevant in this case, we’re not talking about Ernesto Guevara, Hamas are oppressors and their charter is to wipe Jews out. Nobody is supporting Hamas by commending Israel but Hamas are a symptom of Israel and by being seem as on the offensive and the front line will gain support in Palestine, I believe they even won US observed elections.

Sound bite comment.

The problem is, if you grow up as a child having your family killed by these mysterious people who have occupied your homeland.....would it not be natural to hate them? The more Israel punishes Gaza, the more resistance there will be - Generations of children who know nothing of Israel other than the death they have brought to their lives.
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This

It was a similar situation in Northern Ireland. The British Government did things (internment, harassment, bloody Sunday, collusion with Loyalist paramilitaries) that just increased the popularity of the IR A to the nationalist population. If you see your friends and family die, beaten up, sent to jail without trial, evicted from their homes etc….of course it’s going to make people more sympathetic to the cause and more likely to fight back.

So how many innocent civilian deaths are worth it to take out Hamas?

Because by the looks of it, for a national so apparently advanced and sophisticated in terms of military equipment....Israel are the world's worst marksmen in terms of collateral damage.

Just gives you the idea that they consider it worth the loss of thousands of civilians to take out far fewer Hamas people.

For this campaign, Israel's justification has been to destoy so called tunnels that Hamas are using to store rockets and use as escape routes and points of attack into Israel.

After they are destroyed will Israel simply walk away, stop the bombing and leave Gaza in peace? I seriously doubt it.

As much as Hamas might like to see the state of Israel destroyed, don't think for one second that Israel doesnt feel the same about Gaza or West Bank

Because by the looks of it, for a national so apparently advanced and sophisticated in terms of military equipment....Israel are the world's worst marksmen in terms of collateral damage.
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Well said dotty...

Quite frankly, its embarassing with all of Israel's weaponary and equipment, they cannot take out Hamas and its sickening that they're taking the route of killing everyone in sight in the hope that they'll kill a few hamas members along the way.