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I think he's glossing over the fact that he made a massive c*ck up by going 5 at the back with 15 mins left and just inviting us to attack.
He's just having a dig at Forest for spending lots of money (which we have) and him not being able to. To be fair Ipswich are a decent side for the money they've spent. But the fact is they spent loads a few seasons back and it backfired and they almost went down. They still have players on high wages but they don't spend large transfer fees anymore. Their best player is on loan from Palace and if he goes they'll be in trouble.
Its an argument I've seen a lot this season. Off the top of my head McClaren, Holloway and Freedman have also used it. What never gets mentioned is that we had to sell our best youth prospects to afford the spending spree.
It's just a bit of jealousy really.
It's simply Financial Unfair Play by fancy footwork with back-loans of players "sold" just to suit the balance sheet.
Just the sort of underhand cheating trick you would expect from Forest. And still they can't get promoted.
I sincerely hope it comes back to bite them as would be richly deserved.
Get back in your field and chew grass
Good to see someone has picked up the 'Big Spending' *insert team* tag.
Shame there is no Sean Dyche around to talk b0ll0xxx about 'Poundnotes' and 'Market Leaders'. Takes the fun out of it, it really does.
Enjoy.
God you're bitter Ramdini, it's almost as bad as when Billy was in charge. I suppose you've just got this irrational hatred in your sad worthless life and it keeps spilling out. I pity you
...and I would like to also point out that no-one has been promoted yet so it's unclear which approach would work this season. Selling players and loaning them back isn't uncommon, I would also say there is not much more wrong with that than borrowing players like you do.
Ray .... without Fawaz we could of gone out of business. This hurts some Derby fans because nothing would please some of them more than Forest going out of business.
Fawaz has money and if he wants to give it to the running of NFFC then he should be allowed to. It's not as if he has gone out and spent tens of millions on players, because he can if he wanted to. He has tried to satisfy a way to use it the best way possible in getting us promoted. I've met the guy and he is genuine. It maybe his toy, his plaything, but he isn't running it to make a profit and sell it on at the first opportunity. He is a genuine fan.
I wonder if Derby fans actually believe that their owners wouldn't sell if the right offer came in
also Ray on your second point, Derby fans were talking last year on Hughes being sold to Liverpool and then being loaned back.
They would object to that though, wouldn't they?
Webbo, they're just too interested in what is going on and love to share their "unbiased" views relating to everything and anything. I don't get the levels of it to be honest as it seems beyond obsession and they're not even slightly embarrassed by it at times.
I mean, do you honestly think about how Derby do business or anything much about them in any area. You stray over quickly to their boards and there is more garbage about Forest, it's like an illness and in some cases hopefully it will get enough to stop them logging onto to here to share their views with us.
"also Ray on your second point, Derby fans were talking last year on Hughes being sold to Liverpool and then being loaned back."
It would be fine if they did it but they didn't so it's worst crime in the world. It's fine to fill gaps in your squad season on season with loan players from bigger sides, but again if that was us and they wasn't it would be cheating.
Plus the two aren't that different. Big clubs buy up all the prospective talent they can then loan them out. It's just in our case it's back to us
Yes but Derby are not NOT in breach of FFP rules. Forest definitely are. The rules are there to ensure as fair a competition as possible and getting around them defeats the purpose.
However, I do not think Forest will gain anything by the manoevre. but, as Ray suggests it's not yet decided.
I know where you are coming from but if Forest under Doughty had been promoted we would probably have been relegated straight back down just like Derby.
Leicester look as though they may survive because hey have ambitious owners who wants to compete with the top teams.
Although I believe that this league a very good league where anyone could get promoted whether they have big money behind them or not, I'd sooner go up knowing that we would have a chance to stay there because we have financial backing from the owner.
Burnley went up because they got lucky with their strikers and a small squad that had few injuries. They will get relegated because they just do not have the money behind them to stay there.
Having money in this division does not guarantee you anything ... Look at Wigan last year, and so far Fulham this. But to keep two of our better players we had to sell them to try and balance the books. That is wrong. You can shove your FFP
also, if Derby are in the Championship next year it wouldn't surprise me if you are selling your players to to balance your books.
Would you want them back on a season long loan?
"However, I do not think Forest will gain anything by the manoevre"
I really don't know why you are so interested in this but if you look into the FFP applied at the top level then the fines get larger the more over you go. So basically your statement above doesn't really make any sense. We reduce our net transfer fee spending to less than you paid for Thorne and are not paying wages for Lascelles and Darlow.
Please concentrate on your own club? Why not worry about whether you are actually going to fall within FFP etc? You don't need to always involve us in everything, we'd much prefer you didn't
Webbo, I'm with you most of the way. Where I must diverge is on the issue of FFP. It should be vigorously enforced, as it will if QPR are relegated. Then they will not escape the FFP rules and will finish up in Division 1 - or so I understand.
Clubs should not escape FFP punishment if they get promoted to Premiership.
FFP is a bad idea for anyone outside of the top 5-6 teams in the country, I know Derby fans like it due to not being able to think past us............
How on earth can FFP be a bad idea? Football would be better served if a team can build and develop their team with only their managerial and crowd resources to finance them.
Remember how football used to be in the sixties, seventies and eighties? Teams such as Derby, Forest and Burnley, Southampton etc could win the First Division and give Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man U - a good game at any point in the season. Now, if Forest, or Derbyor Leicester and others play the top, rich teams in the Premiership, its a stone certainty they will lose. There are in fact two leagues within the Premiership because of the Oligarchs.
Not only is it unfair - it makes for boring football. The Championship is currently a much more interesting proposition for the fans. More open and anyone can win the title. Whilst every team must strive to win promotion, the fans of teams who are left in the Championship will enjoy their football more than the promoted ones. And they'll be able to afford a season ticket. In over 50 years of watching football, the last two at Derby have been the most enjoyable since Jim Smith and the great Brian Clough.
You've gone off on a ramble/rant there without really making a concise argument. I am guessing you are suggesting that FFP will make more things competitive again but I find that a bit odd if you aren't because to me, it's pretty obvious that the top teams are not going to be as badly affected as everyone else.
They have more TV money, more plastic fans and the Champions League gravy train. It could quite easily make the divide between the top teams much larger, as well make other splits as you go down the chain (i.e. parachute payment clubs etc).
"Football would be better served if a team can build and develop their team with only their managerial and crowd resources to finance them"
You've missed off the many sources of revenue in the above and this is why teams like Wigan can live WAY WAY above their fan base.
The suggestion was that FFP was supposed to stop things happening like did to Pompey etc? If QPR can't/won't pay their fine and they get relegated, surely the punishment (if enforced) could basically do a Pompey to them in a shorter timescale.
Wages, fees, TV/sponsor money are what has made thing as they are and should be regulated better to spread things out a bit more and cap the top end spending. The biggest clubs would have none of that though
The talk around QPR is that the Football League could refuse to let them back in
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posted on 6/10/14
I think he's glossing over the fact that he made a massive c*ck up by going 5 at the back with 15 mins left and just inviting us to attack.
posted on 7/10/14
Shows they fear Forest!
posted on 7/10/14
He's just having a dig at Forest for spending lots of money (which we have) and him not being able to. To be fair Ipswich are a decent side for the money they've spent. But the fact is they spent loads a few seasons back and it backfired and they almost went down. They still have players on high wages but they don't spend large transfer fees anymore. Their best player is on loan from Palace and if he goes they'll be in trouble.
posted on 7/10/14
Its an argument I've seen a lot this season. Off the top of my head McClaren, Holloway and Freedman have also used it. What never gets mentioned is that we had to sell our best youth prospects to afford the spending spree.
posted on 7/10/14
It's just a bit of jealousy really.
posted on 7/10/14
It's simply Financial Unfair Play by fancy footwork with back-loans of players "sold" just to suit the balance sheet.
Just the sort of underhand cheating trick you would expect from Forest. And still they can't get promoted.
I sincerely hope it comes back to bite them as would be richly deserved.
posted on 7/10/14
Get back in your field and chew grass
posted on 7/10/14
Good to see someone has picked up the 'Big Spending' *insert team* tag.
Shame there is no Sean Dyche around to talk b0ll0xxx about 'Poundnotes' and 'Market Leaders'. Takes the fun out of it, it really does.
Enjoy.
posted on 7/10/14
God you're bitter Ramdini, it's almost as bad as when Billy was in charge. I suppose you've just got this irrational hatred in your sad worthless life and it keeps spilling out. I pity you
posted on 7/10/14
...and I would like to also point out that no-one has been promoted yet so it's unclear which approach would work this season. Selling players and loaning them back isn't uncommon, I would also say there is not much more wrong with that than borrowing players like you do.
posted on 7/10/14
Ray .... without Fawaz we could of gone out of business. This hurts some Derby fans because nothing would please some of them more than Forest going out of business.
Fawaz has money and if he wants to give it to the running of NFFC then he should be allowed to. It's not as if he has gone out and spent tens of millions on players, because he can if he wanted to. He has tried to satisfy a way to use it the best way possible in getting us promoted. I've met the guy and he is genuine. It maybe his toy, his plaything, but he isn't running it to make a profit and sell it on at the first opportunity. He is a genuine fan.
I wonder if Derby fans actually believe that their owners wouldn't sell if the right offer came in
posted on 7/10/14
also Ray on your second point, Derby fans were talking last year on Hughes being sold to Liverpool and then being loaned back.
They would object to that though, wouldn't they?
posted on 7/10/14
Webbo, they're just too interested in what is going on and love to share their "unbiased" views relating to everything and anything. I don't get the levels of it to be honest as it seems beyond obsession and they're not even slightly embarrassed by it at times.
I mean, do you honestly think about how Derby do business or anything much about them in any area. You stray over quickly to their boards and there is more garbage about Forest, it's like an illness and in some cases hopefully it will get enough to stop them logging onto to here to share their views with us.
posted on 7/10/14
"also Ray on your second point, Derby fans were talking last year on Hughes being sold to Liverpool and then being loaned back."
It would be fine if they did it but they didn't so it's worst crime in the world. It's fine to fill gaps in your squad season on season with loan players from bigger sides, but again if that was us and they wasn't it would be cheating.
Plus the two aren't that different. Big clubs buy up all the prospective talent they can then loan them out. It's just in our case it's back to us
posted on 7/10/14
Yes but Derby are not NOT in breach of FFP rules. Forest definitely are. The rules are there to ensure as fair a competition as possible and getting around them defeats the purpose.
However, I do not think Forest will gain anything by the manoevre. but, as Ray suggests it's not yet decided.
posted on 7/10/14
I know where you are coming from but if Forest under Doughty had been promoted we would probably have been relegated straight back down just like Derby.
Leicester look as though they may survive because hey have ambitious owners who wants to compete with the top teams.
Although I believe that this league a very good league where anyone could get promoted whether they have big money behind them or not, I'd sooner go up knowing that we would have a chance to stay there because we have financial backing from the owner.
Burnley went up because they got lucky with their strikers and a small squad that had few injuries. They will get relegated because they just do not have the money behind them to stay there.
Having money in this division does not guarantee you anything ... Look at Wigan last year, and so far Fulham this. But to keep two of our better players we had to sell them to try and balance the books. That is wrong. You can shove your FFP
posted on 7/10/14
also, if Derby are in the Championship next year it wouldn't surprise me if you are selling your players to to balance your books.
Would you want them back on a season long loan?
posted on 7/10/14
"However, I do not think Forest will gain anything by the manoevre"
I really don't know why you are so interested in this but if you look into the FFP applied at the top level then the fines get larger the more over you go. So basically your statement above doesn't really make any sense. We reduce our net transfer fee spending to less than you paid for Thorne and are not paying wages for Lascelles and Darlow.
Please concentrate on your own club? Why not worry about whether you are actually going to fall within FFP etc? You don't need to always involve us in everything, we'd much prefer you didn't
posted on 7/10/14
Webbo, I'm with you most of the way. Where I must diverge is on the issue of FFP. It should be vigorously enforced, as it will if QPR are relegated. Then they will not escape the FFP rules and will finish up in Division 1 - or so I understand.
Clubs should not escape FFP punishment if they get promoted to Premiership.
posted on 7/10/14
FFP is a bad idea for anyone outside of the top 5-6 teams in the country, I know Derby fans like it due to not being able to think past us............
posted on 7/10/14
How on earth can FFP be a bad idea? Football would be better served if a team can build and develop their team with only their managerial and crowd resources to finance them.
Remember how football used to be in the sixties, seventies and eighties? Teams such as Derby, Forest and Burnley, Southampton etc could win the First Division and give Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man U - a good game at any point in the season. Now, if Forest, or Derbyor Leicester and others play the top, rich teams in the Premiership, its a stone certainty they will lose. There are in fact two leagues within the Premiership because of the Oligarchs.
Not only is it unfair - it makes for boring football. The Championship is currently a much more interesting proposition for the fans. More open and anyone can win the title. Whilst every team must strive to win promotion, the fans of teams who are left in the Championship will enjoy their football more than the promoted ones. And they'll be able to afford a season ticket. In over 50 years of watching football, the last two at Derby have been the most enjoyable since Jim Smith and the great Brian Clough.
posted on 7/10/14
You've gone off on a ramble/rant there without really making a concise argument. I am guessing you are suggesting that FFP will make more things competitive again but I find that a bit odd if you aren't because to me, it's pretty obvious that the top teams are not going to be as badly affected as everyone else.
They have more TV money, more plastic fans and the Champions League gravy train. It could quite easily make the divide between the top teams much larger, as well make other splits as you go down the chain (i.e. parachute payment clubs etc).
"Football would be better served if a team can build and develop their team with only their managerial and crowd resources to finance them"
You've missed off the many sources of revenue in the above and this is why teams like Wigan can live WAY WAY above their fan base.
posted on 7/10/14
The suggestion was that FFP was supposed to stop things happening like did to Pompey etc? If QPR can't/won't pay their fine and they get relegated, surely the punishment (if enforced) could basically do a Pompey to them in a shorter timescale.
Wages, fees, TV/sponsor money are what has made thing as they are and should be regulated better to spread things out a bit more and cap the top end spending. The biggest clubs would have none of that though
posted on 7/10/14
The talk around QPR is that the Football League could refuse to let them back in
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