The refereeing is generally quite poor at the moment but I'd rather put up with that instead of refs like Coward Webb who clearly see an incident but haven't got the balls to call it correctly.
Aside from his Old Trafford lovefest he's screwed Tottenham over more than once and clearly bottled awarding Suarez a stonewall pen at Chelsea last season. So glad he's retired.
Spuudies really do watch every Chelsea game
Only if there isn't any paint drying elsewhere you bellênd
The last truly brilliant ref was Pierluigi Collina. Always had great control of the game, and the respect of the players.
All refs should watch videos of how he controlled a game: His positioning, the way he handled players, his strength of character when making decisions whether for against the home team or the away team.
Could do with him coming over here as a refereeing coach.
TOOR
"First, was advantage not played? Well I don't know the exact rules for this but not for me as Sakho was put off balance and perhaps was wider and closer to goal than he would have been otherwise. However as he was taking the ball past the goalkeeper, he used he arm and thus it should have been a Swansea freekick. A very poor decision which changed the whole game."
You are wrong on a couple of points: first, the ball hit Sakho on the arm due to the foul from the Swansea keeper, so not a free kick to the Swans and second whether or not advantage is played any player can still be sent off after a period of play has ended, makes no difference what the circumstance.
The only thing you could question is if advantage WAS played then after Sakho's shot going wide it should then be a goal kick and not brought back for a free kick to the Hammers, but you should still send off the goalkeeper.
But that is not really important as the ref blow for the foul anyway, Sakho just continued after paly had been stopped, if he had had found the net the goal would not have stood.
The hand ball came before the foul, it's what knocked it past the keeper.
And how could a ref of spotted that ?
Just watched the West Ham - Swansea game.
Thought it was harsh that the keeper was sent off. Surely the rule is you get sent off for denying a goalscoring opportunity? Whatever contact there was between the player and the keeper, it didn't deny him that goalscoring opportunity.
The attacker still had a good chance and a shot at goal after the advantage was played. IMO it was wrong to then bring it back because he didn't score.
WHU game decision was correct, the 'keeper had to go! He never even attempted to play the ball.
The Villa game should have resulted in 2 red cards or no red cards!
Having said that, the refs. have to make instant decisions that even the expert announcers often can't agree on after having seen the plays several times and from different camera angles.
The technology is there for each team to be allowed to protest at least one important decision by an official in each half if needed, without slowing the game down too much, but football will take forever to catch up with other sports as was the case with the goal-line technology issue.
comment by TheChameleonProject (U1847)
posted 27 minutes ago
And how could a ref of spotted that ?
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He couldn't but a reply could spot it instantly and not slow the game down at all.
If the player got a shot on goal anyhow, for me it's not denying a clear goalscoring opportunity. He had the opportunity, he missed.
If it's not clear, then it's not a red card as he didn't deny a clear goalscoring opportunity.
WHU game decision was correct, the 'keeper had to go! He never even attempted to play the ball.
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But he never denied a goalscoring chance. Advantage was rightly played as the attacker still had the ball and was in a good position. The fact he didn't score with an open goal was down the the attacker's failings.
It was a case of: foul; chance still there for the attacking player so advantage played; player fails to take opportunity of the advantage; advantage over.
Barf
The ref didn't play advantage though, maybe he should have but that is a different question, he blew up as soon as the keeper made contact.
Yes, you're right. Wasn't obvious to me on first viewing but the ref blew immediately. Think it was a mistake though, he should have allowed the advantage. Harsh on Swansea.
However this is an attack on any team on individuals, as I've said I've watched a lot of football this season and nearly every game is ruined by a wrong decision.
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Why is the game ruined it all adds to the excitement?
Personally I dread the time when the game is perfectly sanitized and there are no wrong decisions its boring enough at times nowadays
You pay your goalkeeper money to stop the ball from going into the net.
You pay your defenders money to stop the opposing strikers from having the opportunity to score.
You pay your midfielders money to create chances/stop the opposition creating chances.
You pay your strikers money to score goals.
If they all do their jobs refereeing isn't a problem.
Stop blaming referees.
Another weekend of BPL football and another weekend of ludicrous refereeing decisions and missed calls. From penalty awards to bookings to ignoring the most blatant of fouls and just simply awful officiating, the only consistency of it all is the sheer inconsistency on view every week.
OP said "thought I'd get it in before a have a screaming crying ball of crap join me at home in March"
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OP what did you mean by above?
You also have to bear in mind that a lot of fans and also pundits don't know the laws of the game.
That's why you get so much disagreement on TV and elsewhere.
Technology would help get correct decisions and I am an advocate of the challenger system.
It wouldn't stop fans feeling hard done by though. Even after a 5th ref has made a decision via technology, pundits and fans would still claim they were wrong.
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
You also have to bear in mind that a lot of fans and also pundits don't know the laws of the game.
That's why you get so much disagreement on TV and elsewhere.
Technology would help get correct decisions and I am an advocate of the challenger system.
It wouldn't stop fans feeling hard done by though. Even after a 5th ref has made a decision via technology, pundits and fans would still claim they were wrong.
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A lot of referees don't seem to know some rules also. Like beachballs or not denying a clear goal scoring opportunity for example.
comment by SM67 (U19913)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
OP said "thought I'd get it in before a have a screaming crying ball of crap join me at home in March"
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OP what did you mean by above?
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Kid coming in March.
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
You also have to bear in mind that a lot of fans and also pundits don't know the laws of the game.
That's why you get so much disagreement on TV and elsewhere.
Technology would help get correct decisions and I am an advocate of the challenger system.
It wouldn't stop fans feeling hard done by though. Even after a 5th ref has made a decision via technology, pundits and fans would still claim they were wrong.
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There will be some occasions which can still be argued over as some of the rules leave some interpretation, however nowhere near as many.
Some people don't like change but every other sport has done it and benefitted from it. Football has to also.
The beachball was what, 5-6 years ago?
The fact it's brought up still shows that these instances of refs not being sure of the laws don't crop up very often.
They know their job, they are just human and will get things wrong.
Constantly telling him they are the worst ever isn't going to help that.
It's the 'blame cuture' we all live in nowadays.
Referee's are only schite if a 'wrong' decision goes against your team.
I was talking to a friend who is an Arsenal fan this past Tuesday and was telling him that the standard of officiating is at an all time low. Completely agree OP.
First off a little accountability wouldn't hurt. When a ref ignores a blatant foul and from the replay you can see he is a few yards away and looking directly at the incident, you are just left to wonder wtf he is thinking. The officiating has been very poor overall.
I dont like the idea of a "replay ref" or having someone other than the people on the pitch calling the shots. Youre basically telling the ref to just go with what they say, be it a foul or handball, and be ok with it. How lost would they feel?
I think the refs are fine. Sure they feck up but so do our players. If a player messes up he doesnt lose his job. He might sit but chances are he did a lot more good than wrong. Just like the refs.
People need to lay off the refs. Suck it up.
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posted on 7/12/14
The refereeing is generally quite poor at the moment but I'd rather put up with that instead of refs like Coward Webb who clearly see an incident but haven't got the balls to call it correctly.
Aside from his Old Trafford lovefest he's screwed Tottenham over more than once and clearly bottled awarding Suarez a stonewall pen at Chelsea last season. So glad he's retired.
posted on 7/12/14
Spuudies really do watch every Chelsea game
posted on 7/12/14
Only if there isn't any paint drying elsewhere you bellênd
posted on 7/12/14
The last truly brilliant ref was Pierluigi Collina. Always had great control of the game, and the respect of the players.
All refs should watch videos of how he controlled a game: His positioning, the way he handled players, his strength of character when making decisions whether for against the home team or the away team.
Could do with him coming over here as a refereeing coach.
posted on 7/12/14
TOOR
"First, was advantage not played? Well I don't know the exact rules for this but not for me as Sakho was put off balance and perhaps was wider and closer to goal than he would have been otherwise. However as he was taking the ball past the goalkeeper, he used he arm and thus it should have been a Swansea freekick. A very poor decision which changed the whole game."
You are wrong on a couple of points: first, the ball hit Sakho on the arm due to the foul from the Swansea keeper, so not a free kick to the Swans and second whether or not advantage is played any player can still be sent off after a period of play has ended, makes no difference what the circumstance.
The only thing you could question is if advantage WAS played then after Sakho's shot going wide it should then be a goal kick and not brought back for a free kick to the Hammers, but you should still send off the goalkeeper.
But that is not really important as the ref blow for the foul anyway, Sakho just continued after paly had been stopped, if he had had found the net the goal would not have stood.
posted on 7/12/14
The hand ball came before the foul, it's what knocked it past the keeper.
posted on 7/12/14
And how could a ref of spotted that ?
posted on 7/12/14
Just watched the West Ham - Swansea game.
Thought it was harsh that the keeper was sent off. Surely the rule is you get sent off for denying a goalscoring opportunity? Whatever contact there was between the player and the keeper, it didn't deny him that goalscoring opportunity.
The attacker still had a good chance and a shot at goal after the advantage was played. IMO it was wrong to then bring it back because he didn't score.
posted on 7/12/14
WHU game decision was correct, the 'keeper had to go! He never even attempted to play the ball.
The Villa game should have resulted in 2 red cards or no red cards!
Having said that, the refs. have to make instant decisions that even the expert announcers often can't agree on after having seen the plays several times and from different camera angles.
The technology is there for each team to be allowed to protest at least one important decision by an official in each half if needed, without slowing the game down too much, but football will take forever to catch up with other sports as was the case with the goal-line technology issue.
posted on 7/12/14
comment by TheChameleonProject (U1847)
posted 27 minutes ago
And how could a ref of spotted that ?
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He couldn't but a reply could spot it instantly and not slow the game down at all.
If the player got a shot on goal anyhow, for me it's not denying a clear goalscoring opportunity. He had the opportunity, he missed.
If it's not clear, then it's not a red card as he didn't deny a clear goalscoring opportunity.
posted on 7/12/14
WHU game decision was correct, the 'keeper had to go! He never even attempted to play the ball.
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But he never denied a goalscoring chance. Advantage was rightly played as the attacker still had the ball and was in a good position. The fact he didn't score with an open goal was down the the attacker's failings.
It was a case of: foul; chance still there for the attacking player so advantage played; player fails to take opportunity of the advantage; advantage over.
posted on 7/12/14
Barf
The ref didn't play advantage though, maybe he should have but that is a different question, he blew up as soon as the keeper made contact.
posted on 8/12/14
Yes, you're right. Wasn't obvious to me on first viewing but the ref blew immediately. Think it was a mistake though, he should have allowed the advantage. Harsh on Swansea.
posted on 8/12/14
However this is an attack on any team on individuals, as I've said I've watched a lot of football this season and nearly every game is ruined by a wrong decision.
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Why is the game ruined it all adds to the excitement?
Personally I dread the time when the game is perfectly sanitized and there are no wrong decisions its boring enough at times nowadays
posted on 8/12/14
You pay your goalkeeper money to stop the ball from going into the net.
You pay your defenders money to stop the opposing strikers from having the opportunity to score.
You pay your midfielders money to create chances/stop the opposition creating chances.
You pay your strikers money to score goals.
If they all do their jobs refereeing isn't a problem.
Stop blaming referees.
posted on 8/12/14
Another weekend of BPL football and another weekend of ludicrous refereeing decisions and missed calls. From penalty awards to bookings to ignoring the most blatant of fouls and just simply awful officiating, the only consistency of it all is the sheer inconsistency on view every week.
posted on 8/12/14
OP said "thought I'd get it in before a have a screaming crying ball of crap join me at home in March"
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OP what did you mean by above?
posted on 8/12/14
You also have to bear in mind that a lot of fans and also pundits don't know the laws of the game.
That's why you get so much disagreement on TV and elsewhere.
Technology would help get correct decisions and I am an advocate of the challenger system.
It wouldn't stop fans feeling hard done by though. Even after a 5th ref has made a decision via technology, pundits and fans would still claim they were wrong.
posted on 8/12/14
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
You also have to bear in mind that a lot of fans and also pundits don't know the laws of the game.
That's why you get so much disagreement on TV and elsewhere.
Technology would help get correct decisions and I am an advocate of the challenger system.
It wouldn't stop fans feeling hard done by though. Even after a 5th ref has made a decision via technology, pundits and fans would still claim they were wrong.
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A lot of referees don't seem to know some rules also. Like beachballs or not denying a clear goal scoring opportunity for example.
posted on 8/12/14
comment by SM67 (U19913)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
OP said "thought I'd get it in before a have a screaming crying ball of crap join me at home in March"
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OP what did you mean by above?
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Kid coming in March.
posted on 8/12/14
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
You also have to bear in mind that a lot of fans and also pundits don't know the laws of the game.
That's why you get so much disagreement on TV and elsewhere.
Technology would help get correct decisions and I am an advocate of the challenger system.
It wouldn't stop fans feeling hard done by though. Even after a 5th ref has made a decision via technology, pundits and fans would still claim they were wrong.
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There will be some occasions which can still be argued over as some of the rules leave some interpretation, however nowhere near as many.
Some people don't like change but every other sport has done it and benefitted from it. Football has to also.
posted on 8/12/14
The beachball was what, 5-6 years ago?
The fact it's brought up still shows that these instances of refs not being sure of the laws don't crop up very often.
They know their job, they are just human and will get things wrong.
Constantly telling him they are the worst ever isn't going to help that.
posted on 8/12/14
It's the 'blame cuture' we all live in nowadays.
Referee's are only schite if a 'wrong' decision goes against your team.
posted on 8/12/14
I was talking to a friend who is an Arsenal fan this past Tuesday and was telling him that the standard of officiating is at an all time low. Completely agree OP.
First off a little accountability wouldn't hurt. When a ref ignores a blatant foul and from the replay you can see he is a few yards away and looking directly at the incident, you are just left to wonder wtf he is thinking. The officiating has been very poor overall.
posted on 8/12/14
I dont like the idea of a "replay ref" or having someone other than the people on the pitch calling the shots. Youre basically telling the ref to just go with what they say, be it a foul or handball, and be ok with it. How lost would they feel?
I think the refs are fine. Sure they feck up but so do our players. If a player messes up he doesnt lose his job. He might sit but chances are he did a lot more good than wrong. Just like the refs.
People need to lay off the refs. Suck it up.
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