comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)

posted 23 seconds ago


that was me, and I was referring to the muslim leaders. Like the heads of states etc
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Many of them have. Even the leader of Hamas spoke out to condemn the Paris attacks, for example. Imo one of the issues here is that there are too many voices and that dilutes the message.

Anything the Pope says on behalf of Catholics is widely reported. Afaik, none of the branches of Islam have any such voice.

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 30 seconds ago
We in this country have freedom of expression.Yet in Saudi Arabia you cannot worship as a Christian despite there being over a million Christians living there.
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We also have restricted expression here

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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 minutes ago
"Many muslims in Paris actually took to the streets and publicly condemend the violence, but that's not been reported much. It's all on YouTube"

Why should it be reported, because it's Muslims doing so? Surely that's unfair on all the Jewish and atheist folk also in the streets, using your logic that is.
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I've read statements from people claiming that Muslim communities or spokespeople should come out to condemn these acts. They have, yet if it has not reported been adequately reported then the public perception of Muslims not speaking out will persist.
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Everybody knows that most Muslims will condemn the attacks. It doesn't help on this site when you get certain people defend, find excuses or justify such attacks.

I think the biggest thing is the differences in culture in the East and the West. Clearly life is cheap in the East, some of the murders and genocides are not only barbaric but almost akin to stories from the Middle Ages.

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comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
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comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
There no evidence whatsoever that the shot down plane had anything to do with Russia.

Macca,

Based on your idea of muslims marching all over the world in protest over Islamic Extremism, are we then to understand that you marched against the US slaughter of Indochina, the Falklands, both invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, the NATO bombing of Libya and the ongoing murders by drone, to name just a few examples of western extremism?
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You totally miss my point

This is about righting an incorrect understanding. Not a protest as such

I categorically stated it shouldn't be out of necessity

It could only do good in a world where Islam is largely misunderstood and misiterpreted due to a minority abusing it
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Is it Islam's fault that it is misunderstood? If people actually cared to do research into it, they would see for themselves.
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Get real Mudd

This isnt some fantasy world where everyone is on your intelectual level

The biggest selling paper in this country is The Sun for goodness sake

I'm talking about Muslims wanting to be heard to right the media lead rubbish about the religion
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Mate, they speak out against this but do not get decent media coverage. Don Lemon on CNN of all places asked someone who was criticising extremism whether he was a member of ISIS.

Muslims come out en masse to criticise these lunatics but it is rarely if ever covered and even if it is, you hear people say, but it is in the quran even though they have not read it.

In the quran it clearly states that if you kill an innocent, you are condemning yourself which is why I keep saying these people are not muslims. They are lunatics who believe in something completely separate to Islam.

A lot of people in Europe will not go to the ME or densely populated muslim countries, I have been fortunate to not only work but live in them and these people are just like us. They want the best for themselves and their families.

However they are the latest group that needs to be hated and demonised. Happened to the jews, the blacks, asians and not it is time for muslims.

It is very sad

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 10 seconds ago
We in this country have freedom of expression.Yet in Saudi Arabia you cannot worship as a Christian despite there being over a million Christians living there.
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Right, so? Many people would like in the same way in the west with regards to Christianity. What has that got to do with my OP?

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 8 seconds ago
Why shouldn't religion be ridiculed though?
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It should, as should the people who follow it
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Well no because if you are a nice person you wouldn't ridicule but engage in date.

Your obviously a c()nt though, so...
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Believe in fairies if you want, i can't stop you
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So why bother commenting?
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it's my right
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As is their right to believe in what they want
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good for them
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You must be so insecure that what someone else believes troubles you so much

Busby,

I written to you directly on here explaining (i'll even give you sources if you wish) the primary motivation for Islamic extremism on the west.

So why are you still peddling this Islam/Quaran crusade?

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
We in this country have freedom of expression.Yet in Saudi Arabia you cannot worship as a Christian despite there being over a million Christians living there.
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Saudi Arabia does not claim to be a tolerant society but we do. Would you prefer we were like Saudi Arabia?

Also it is important to note that extremism is not allowed or tolerated there.

"Provide me with a verse that preaches violence and I will put it in context for you."

In a context YOU chose to see it in.

Clearly extremists choose to view it in an entirely different context.

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Blarmy the Needlessly Defiant - Welcome to Chelsea Messi (U14547)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 30 seconds ago
We in this country have freedom of expression.Yet in Saudi Arabia you cannot worship as a Christian despite there being over a million Christians living there.
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We also have restricted expression here
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What comparative examples have you?
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No examples needed as its in the law, certain speech is prohibited under inciting violence or hate speech

I think the biggest thing is the differences in culture in the East and the West. Clearly life is cheap in the East, some of the murders and genocides are not only barbaric but almost akin to stories from the Middle Ages.
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What about the Holocaust? Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Iraq?

"Whilst there are parts of the Bible which clearly make no logical sense in the modern world (creationism, the Ark etc), there are plenty of parts which are feasible, such as the existence of 'Jesus', who may simply have been an illusionist in a time where people held massively strong religious views and had very little way of understanding something that appeared 'magical' or 'miraculous'. Everything Dynamo/David Blaine etc do today could realistically have been performed in one form or another a couple of thousand years ago - most of it is sleight of hand."

But there aren't billions of people following what David Blaine or Derran Brown tell us to do.

If Jesus was an illusionist, and used his magic to tell people he was the son of god, surely he should be viewed as a fraud not a prophet.

MUDD,

Don't forget the slaughters in Indochina from that list.

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"So why are you still peddling this Islam/Quaran crusade?"

I have no Islam or Quran crusade. I think all religion based on stories from millennia ago are ridiculous.

If you believe in a god, you don't need somebody to tell you how you should or shouldn't believe in him.

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
We in this country have freedom of expression.Yet in Saudi Arabia you cannot worship as a Christian despite there being over a million Christians living there.
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Saudi Arabia does not claim to be a tolerant society but we do. Would you prefer we were like Saudi Arabia?

Also it is important to note that extremism is not allowed or tolerated there.
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As I have posted this sends out a message about intolerance at the home of Islam.
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They are very clear about their lack of tolerance for any religion besides Islam.

We say we are a tolerant liberal nation.

See the difference?

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
"Provide me with a verse that preaches violence and I will put it in context for you."

In a context YOU chose to see it in.

Clearly extremists choose to view it in an entirely different context.
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Yes they do, in the wrong way.

This is clear because they don't you HISTORICAL CONTEXT which is very important because it gives you the reason God revealed a verse to Muhammad (pbuh).

Without the reason for these revelations the meaning is lost.

It is also clear because the members of these terrorists groups couldn't fill Old Trafford 4 times over whilst close to 1.6 billion Muslims use form of interpretation I use.

It's pretty obvious they are reading the Quran upside down.

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comment by Ruiney Reckers (U1005)
posted 19 seconds ago
Oh no they drew a picture of a guy who doesn't exist, and upset some deluded followers of such fictional being.
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It's not about what you think is real or not. It's about the magazine INTENTIONALLY provoking and vilifying a section of society with something they hold dear. It's not about the actual content itself necessarily.
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The magazine was aimed at a certain audience, an audience who buy the magazine because they enjoy the comedy and satire. I'm not sure their aim was to wind up as many people as possible.
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Please watch this video containing the content and tell me what is comical or satirical about the content?

http://youtu.be/U56q428amN0


Regardless, if I wanted to do 'satire' about 9/11 would it be welcomed as equally?
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Ever seen the South Park episode where they do the 9/11 conspiracy?

Well that's satire, by Americans about an American tragedy and Trey Parker and Matt Stone are still alive and making South Park

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Blarmy the Needlessly Defiant - Welcome to Chelsea Messi (U14547)
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Blarmy the Needlessly Defiant - Welcome to Chelsea Messi (U14547)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 30 seconds ago
We in this country have freedom of expression.Yet in Saudi Arabia you cannot worship as a Christian despite there being over a million Christians living there.
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We also have restricted expression here
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What comparative examples have you?
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No examples needed as its in the law, certain speech is prohibited under inciting violence or hate speech
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Do we ban Muslims practicing their religion here?
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Thats not the point i was contending tbh my problem was with the first sentence.

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