"gentle put down" You really are an imbecile! I know your views! I wasted a whole afternoon reading that garbage.

You seem angry Wum.

Tell me what is wrong.

I merely queried your sentence structuring,while you called me bad names.

Regarding my views.Which one's make you irate?

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 6 minutes ago
Kenyan

So you agree,that African factions were fighting each other for 1000 years then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well done.

I have no doubt that whoever went into Africa to make money exploited the continent,as man is inherently greedy and self seeking.
Some went as missionaries,with good intentions too.

It is similar to the Iraq and Syria problem,with some blaming it all on the so called west...............when we know that Bush and Blair are partly to blame,but hardline muslim's have been fighting each other,and non-muslim's for centuries.

All I am saying is that placing too much blame on the colonial powers,or west,lets many off the hook,and ognores what has been happening all over the world since time began...............namely,man can be a selfish brute.No matter what pigment,culture,or religion that brute may be.
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To an extent you are right, Muslims were fighting each other. Mainly sectarian violence between Sunni's and Shias but these current conflicts are to do with western intervention.

Syria and Iraq didn't even exist 100 years ago, we carved out those borders with a ruler and a map. We even installed our own leaders.

I'm not saying there wouldn't be trouble in the middle-east if we didn't intervene, all I'm saying is it wouldn't be trouble caused by us.

Wum

I heard you the first time,Mr angry.

Calm down,it's da weekend.Get some white powder,if that is not racist.Let us call it colonial marching powder.

Anry, irate. Dream on mate. Just as I said in the beginning, you are waste of time.

Kung Fu

You say,"we",but I can assure you it was not me,or done in my name,just as muslim's are not to blame for muslim wrongs.

Sorry,but it ain't my fault,so if I am attacked,for example,I am not a legitimate target,amymore than a muslim guy in the street.

When we say,"we" those who live in the west take all the good times that go with living here,even though we were so bad...............hypocrites.

Syria has been conquered and reconquered countless times down the centuries.

There is also major conflicts brewing in the middle east bbetween Iran and Saudi Arabia that will only escalate, and it's entirely separate from European intervention.

Wum

Anry now..........so angry,you can't even type.

Feel free never to reply to me,or advise others not to discuss with me,ya whinging clown.

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 57 seconds ago
Kung Fu

You say,"we",but I can assure you it was not me,or done in my name,just as muslim's are not to blame for muslim wrongs.

Sorry,but it ain't my fault,so if I am attacked,for example,I am not a legitimate target,amymore than a muslim guy in the street.

When we say,"we" those who live in the west take all the good times that go with living here,even though we were so bad...............hypocrites.
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Good point, I can honestly say that wasn't what I meant.

I meant Britain as it was and kind of is now and by Britain I mean the government.

Some food for thought.... Do we the tax payers shoulder some of the responsibility for not revolting against a government that invades other countries for resources?

The British don't have a history of revolution.

Unfortunately.

Wow, can we kick out the 11 year old from this thread? You seem pretty upset I gave people are heads up not to waste time on you. You keep repeating the same nonsense and contribute nothing of substance to the thread. Much like in life I bet.

Ivan

Breathe of fresh air,you are bud.

This self-loathing,guilt-ridden patter was doing my heid in.

As was the,it is all your fault,analysis.

Is there a part of the world that has not fought with those beside and around them....and exploited them,given the chance.
We do not have to look too far,either.

Funny thing is,so many people want to come and live in these islands,after we ruined the world?

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
Syria has been conquered and reconquered countless times down the centuries.

There is also major conflicts brewing in the middle east bbetween Iran and Saudi Arabia that will only escalate, and it's entirely separate from European intervention.
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By Syria do you mean Damascus?

Syria hasn't existed very long at all.

Saudi Arabia was created as a state in 1932, with Britains help and blessing. We also helped install the current royal family.

The current rulers in Iran are a direct result of illegal government over throwing by the Americans.

The leaders in that region wouldn't be there without western help or interference. We have everything to with what is going on there.

The Shia Sunni fighting may have been happening in a completely different part of the world or middle-east if we stayed within our own borders.

tbbab

As you know, I'm a Yes voting, left of centre Social Democrat.

And there are areas of the world that are still reacting to coloniasm.

But it's not the reason for every insurgency or war in the world, and certainly not in Syria and the middle east.

Kung Fu

I am not sure if we debated this before,but I opposed our involvement in the recent wars,and had letters and articles read out on BBC radio,as I am from a British/un ionist background,and my views ran counter to the mainstream here.
As it turns out,I was correct,as we see Kabul,Iraq,Libya etc in turmoil,and part of this was down to Blair lies,and Bush/US global policing.

Ironically,after going in then,we sit back now when isis are spreading their evil,and an evil partly created by our govt.

There were marches,but no revolt,and as Ivan states,Brit's do not do revolution........................letters to the times,and a tired shrug of shoulders.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
Syria has been conquered and reconquered countless times down the centuries.

There is also major conflicts brewing in the middle east bbetween Iran and Saudi Arabia that will only escalate, and it's entirely separate from European intervention.
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By Syria do you mean Damascus?

Syria hasn't existed very long at all.

Saudi Arabia was created as a state in 1932, with Britains help and blessing. We also helped install the current royal family.

The current rulers in Iran are a direct result of illegal government over throwing by the Americans.

The leaders in that region wouldn't be there without western help or interference. We have everything to with what is going on there.

The Shia Sunni fighting may have been happening in a completely different part of the world or middle-east if we stayed within our own borders.
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No. I mean the lands that are currently part of the Syrian state.

I'm aware the current Syrian state came to be after the break up of the Ottoman empire, but Syria has always been a fertile land that was coveted by everyone from the Babylonians to the French.

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 33 seconds ago
Kung Fu

I am not sure if we debated this before,but I opposed our involvement in the recent wars,and had letters and articles read out on BBC radio,as I am from a British/un ionist background,and my views ran counter to the mainstream here.
As it turns out,I was correct,as we see Kabul,Iraq,Libya etc in turmoil,and part of this was down to Blair lies,and Bush/US global policing.

Ironically,after going in then,we sit back now when isis are spreading their evil,and an evil partly created by our govt.

There were marches,but no revolt,and as Ivan states,Brit's do not do revolution........................letters to the times,and a tired shrug of shoulders.


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I'm not questioning your feelings towards our actions in the middle-east. You seem sincere in that regard.

Just pointing out a direct connection between Britain, America and the current turmoil in the middle-east.

This isn't to say the continuation of the atrocities in that region isn't the fault of governments in power over there.

A coalition of Arab nations, especially the richest ones should have been put together by now to stop ISIS.

They all seem to busy buying football clubs and building palm tree shaped islands to notice the mass murder on there door step.

Ivan

I know you are a yesser,lefty,mate,but I still like ya.

Man,I know that wrongs have been done by those who rule us,and no doubt,will repeat themselves,but hopefully,we will learn.

I feel we are one of the best parts of the world to live in,however,and get tired of some always putting these shores down,or blaming us for the mess parts of the world are in.

Typical no responsibility attitude these days,whilst in no way saying our ruling classes are beyond reproach.

Kung Fu

It maybe serves certain Arab nations to have instability in certain nations so as to allow them to increase their sphere of influence in the aftermath.

We've always loved killing and pillaging and empire building

Since the dawn of time

Ancient Egypt
Ottoman empire
The good old Greeks
All of south America /Inca/Mayans
Mongolian hoards
Chinese dynasties
Roman empire
England, Spain and France in the new world

No one is innocent, slavery and murder the oldest professions.

All these borders and countries are 'new'.

I think people get too bent out of shape about fault and politics and race and taking sides.

We just suck as a species and if one aggressor stayed out someone else would step in and get to oppressing and killing. Guaranteed. We're half evolved apes with an innate mean streak.

Expectations are too high and blame too frequent

The turks sat back and let people die,near their border,and only went in to save historical relic's,linked to Turkey,so priorties are suspect in the region.

Iran,Hezbollah are backing one side against the other,as the sunni and shia conflict ignites again,and has done so long before a young place called the US of A was born.

Saudi's bombing isis,even though the wahibi islamist notion developed there,as Bin Laden highlighted.
A world cup planned for Qatar,which has isis funders in positions of power,and so too in Kuwait,who we fought for,against Hussein.

Shambles.

ncient Egypt
Ottoman empire
The good old Greeks
All of south America /Inca/Mayans
Mongolian hoards
Chinese dynasties
Roman empire
England, Spain and France in the new world
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Also responsible for some great things too, medicine, education, sanitation to name but a few
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Of course mark

How else are we having this conversation

Thank the military of modern empires

Kaiser

Nail on head,mate.

Could you not have posted this earlier,to save me the grief.

Goodnight all and may your God go with you.

Peace.

Mark

What did the Roman's,et al,do for us,eh?