comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 8 seconds ago
Robben
No, from what others are saying the license fee technically is only for use of the TV. You can legally listen to BBC radio, use their websites and watch iPlayer (as long as it isn't live) free without any license fee which is why so many people are stopping.
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They can, whilst it remains a high % of households that *do* pay. If a certain number stop paying, a critical point will be reached where the BBC will have to cease - do you not see that?
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe people are so bothered about £12 a month. It's probably the best value of any product or service out there, I genuinely cannot think of something that offers so much for so little - maybe the NHS.
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I know
I'm struggling here...
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Heads shoulders knees John Stones, knees John Stones (U9760)
posted 53 seconds ago
The only thing that really irks me about the licence fee is that you get criminalised for not paying it.
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Like you would for any other good/service that you didn't pay for
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Point being, many people would chose not to have BBC products for the price they charge. But they make it law that to use any kind of TV you have to pay for the BBC service.
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It would probably be prohibitively expensive to implement some sort of blocker. Also, imagine the number of people who would cancel... the BBC would collapse overnight and people would still use/watch the content through streams or online or whatever.
It's £150 ffs, over the course of a year it's £2.50 a week - get over it.
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Yeah, as well as the £140 a month council tax, the national insurance, the tax, the VAT on everything we pay.
We at citizens get royally screwed over by our own government, we're just too blind and lazy to do anything about it.
The BBC licence fee is value for money, when I think I pay £50 a month for Sky and some of the trash they serve up, costing me £600 a year, it is absolutely no contest. BBC puts on a lot of decent stuff for £12 a month fee. Only Cameron could think about trying to get rid of the BBC.
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe people are so bothered about £12 a month. It's probably the best value of any product or service out there, I genuinely cannot think of something that offers so much for so little - maybe the NHS.
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I know
I'm struggling here...
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a decent broadband connection for one
netflix/amazon prime
and of course love....
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
The BBC doesn't get away with crap
..............
Maybe the BBC has changed since I left the UK.
If it has you can ignore my comments as ignorance.
Back in the day the BBC always used to give thoroughly biased (Labour) views in its political and news programs, and Match of the Day was always pro bin dipper due to it's employment of ex Liverpool players.
Robben
I don't exactly understand what we are debating now? I'm all for paying a fee, what I'm saying is that the BBC should probably change the law so that the license fee covers all BBC services as I'm sure plenty people want to use them other than TV and don't pay.
The BBC is a great service, not just it's TV so it makes sense that people pay to use all their services as a result of loss of license fee would mean the entire BBC finishing, not just the TV side.
I barely communicate with you
..........
Nothing forces you too.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Heads shoulders knees John Stones, knees John Stones (U9760)
posted 53 seconds ago
The only thing that really irks me about the licence fee is that you get criminalised for not paying it.
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Like you would for any other good/service that you didn't pay for
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Point being, many people would chose not to have BBC products for the price they charge. But they make it law that to use any kind of TV you have to pay for the BBC service.
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It would probably be prohibitively expensive to implement some sort of blocker. Also, imagine the number of people who would cancel... the BBC would collapse overnight and people would still use/watch the content through streams or online or whatever.
It's £150 ffs, over the course of a year it's £2.50 a week - get over it.
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Yeah, as well as the £140 a month council tax, the national insurance, the tax, the VAT on everything we pay.
We at citizens get royally screwed over by our own government, we're just too blind and lazy to do anything about it.
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Think you missed the point here.
Council tax is for your house (so your bins get emptied, roads get swept, so the police/fire/ambulance turn up when you phone them etc...).
National insurance is so you have some money to live on when you retire that rewards you for working in younger years.
'Tax' - I need you to elaborate on this.
VAT is a way of the government collecting money so that it can provide services to the country, it's infrastructure economy etc...
TV license is +-£10 a month Busby...
"but a "tv tax" in 2015 is ludicrous in my opinion."
That's because it isn't a TV tax at all, it's a tax to keep the BBC running. A service which is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
If we have shows like Planet Earth, Wonders of the Universe etc more often, then it would be an amazing channel. Instead money is ploughed into crap TV and radio people don't listen to.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 19 seconds ago
I barely communicate with you
..........
Nothing forces you too.
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The force is strong
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robben
I don't exactly understand what we are debating now? I'm all for paying a fee, what I'm saying is that the BBC should probably change the law so that the license fee covers all BBC services as I'm sure plenty people want to use them other than TV and don't pay.
The BBC is a great service, not just it's TV so it makes sense that people pay to use all their services as a result of loss of license fee would mean the entire BBC finishing, not just the TV side.
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I think it's too unenforceable - how do you charge someone for tuning into BBC radio in their car ffs?
As I've said above, the fee does fund all of the service - people may not think so, but the more people that stop paying, the clearer it will become.
I think we agree MU_82, but we're a bit tangled in articulation.
I`ve got a good idea, let`s scrap the £150 a year TV licence fee, and make everybody sign up to the £600 a year Sky fee. That`s the way things are heading. No wonder Murdoch is laughing.
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Heads shoulders knees John Stones, knees John Stones (U9760)
posted 53 seconds ago
The only thing that really irks me about the licence fee is that you get criminalised for not paying it.
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Like you would for any other good/service that you didn't pay for
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Point being, many people would chose not to have BBC products for the price they charge. But they make it law that to use any kind of TV you have to pay for the BBC service.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It would probably be prohibitively expensive to implement some sort of blocker. Also, imagine the number of people who would cancel... the BBC would collapse overnight and people would still use/watch the content through streams or online or whatever.
It's £150 ffs, over the course of a year it's £2.50 a week - get over it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, as well as the £140 a month council tax, the national insurance, the tax, the VAT on everything we pay.
We at citizens get royally screwed over by our own government, we're just too blind and lazy to do anything about it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think you missed the point here.
Council tax is for your house (so your bins get emptied, roads get swept, so the police/fire/ambulance turn up when you phone them etc...).
National insurance is so you have some money to live on when you retire that rewards you for working in younger years.
'Tax' - I need you to elaborate on this.
VAT is a way of the government collecting money so that it can provide services to the country, it's infrastructure economy etc...
TV license is +-£10 a month Busby...
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Yes, but what I'm saying is thats another £10 taken form our pockets on top of the 40% of our wages we already give to the government.
It adds up and no matter how much Mr Osborne tells you the country is prosperous and improving, anybody who lives a normal life will tell you quite the opposite.
The BBC, just like everything under government umbrella, seem to enjoy wasting our money.
"I think it's too unenforceable - how do you charge someone for tuning into BBC radio in their car ffs? "
You use digital radio. Just like on the TV.
Let's hug and watch some classic Beeb, Jim'll Fix It?
"Instead money is ploughed into crap TV and radio people don't listen to."
I think you mean, "I don't listen to". The problem is the beeb is servicing the entire community, it has to, (nearly) everyone is paying for it.
When something comes on I don't want to watch, I do something else or watch another channel. That's why I pay for them. Or go for a walk - that's free!!
"on top of the 40% of our wages we already give to the government. "
If you are paying 40% of your gross wages to the govt. then you are earning about £150k. Why does £150 matter?
comment by helvellyn spur (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
I`ve got a good idea, let`s scrap the £150 a year TV licence fee, and make everybody sign up to the £600 a year Sky fee. That`s the way things are heading. No wonder Murdoch is laughing.
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But those who CHOSE to join Sky, have the choice of what channels and package they wish to subscribe to.
They also get about 700 channels, not 3/4.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
"but a "tv tax" in 2015 is ludicrous in my opinion."
That's because it isn't a TV tax at all, it's a tax to keep the BBC running. A service which is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
If we have shows like Planet Earth, Wonders of the Universe etc more often, then it would be an amazing channel. Instead money is ploughed into crap TV and radio people don't listen to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it is a tax on using a tv - or laptop - to watch live programs, it is a tv tax in all but name.
and all i ever hear from people defending the bcc is reference to their nature programs...blimey, give me £4bn a year, every year, without me having to work for it, and i'll make you some superb nature shows, honest!
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
"I think it's too unenforceable - how do you charge someone for tuning into BBC radio in their car ffs? "
You use digital radio. Just like on the TV.
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Not every car has a digital radio. How would I log in to my BBC account through my FM transmitter?
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
"but a "tv tax" in 2015 is ludicrous in my opinion."
That's because it isn't a TV tax at all, it's a tax to keep the BBC running. A service which is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
If we have shows like Planet Earth, Wonders of the Universe etc more often, then it would be an amazing channel. Instead money is ploughed into crap TV and radio people don't listen to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it is a tax on using a tv - or laptop - to watch live programs, it is a tv tax in all but name.
and all i ever hear from people defending the bcc is reference to their nature programs...blimey, give me £4bn a year, every year, without me having to work for it, and i'll make you some superb nature shows, honest!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's a tax for tv, tv online, radio, news, websites....
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 26 seconds ago
"on top of the 40% of our wages we already give to the government. "
If you are paying 40% of your gross wages to the govt. then you are earning about £150k. Why does £150 matter?
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Not if you consider everything you buy had a VAT attached to it Robben.
Like most I pay around 20% in NI/Tax, I pay council tax, I pay road tax, I pay TV license and on everything I purchase 20% of what I am buying is also taxed. On a £2,000 a month income it works out to around 40%.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 48 seconds ago
"I think it's too unenforceable - how do you charge someone for tuning into BBC radio in their car ffs? "
You use digital radio. Just like on the TV.
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Actually, no, you just charge them to own the device capable of receiving the signal. But the radio licence disappeared years ago.
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posted on 28/7/15
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 8 seconds ago
Robben
No, from what others are saying the license fee technically is only for use of the TV. You can legally listen to BBC radio, use their websites and watch iPlayer (as long as it isn't live) free without any license fee which is why so many people are stopping.
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They can, whilst it remains a high % of households that *do* pay. If a certain number stop paying, a critical point will be reached where the BBC will have to cease - do you not see that?
posted on 28/7/15
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe people are so bothered about £12 a month. It's probably the best value of any product or service out there, I genuinely cannot think of something that offers so much for so little - maybe the NHS.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know
I'm struggling here...
posted on 28/7/15
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Heads shoulders knees John Stones, knees John Stones (U9760)
posted 53 seconds ago
The only thing that really irks me about the licence fee is that you get criminalised for not paying it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like you would for any other good/service that you didn't pay for
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Point being, many people would chose not to have BBC products for the price they charge. But they make it law that to use any kind of TV you have to pay for the BBC service.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It would probably be prohibitively expensive to implement some sort of blocker. Also, imagine the number of people who would cancel... the BBC would collapse overnight and people would still use/watch the content through streams or online or whatever.
It's £150 ffs, over the course of a year it's £2.50 a week - get over it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, as well as the £140 a month council tax, the national insurance, the tax, the VAT on everything we pay.
We at citizens get royally screwed over by our own government, we're just too blind and lazy to do anything about it.
posted on 28/7/15
The BBC licence fee is value for money, when I think I pay £50 a month for Sky and some of the trash they serve up, costing me £600 a year, it is absolutely no contest. BBC puts on a lot of decent stuff for £12 a month fee. Only Cameron could think about trying to get rid of the BBC.
posted on 28/7/15
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe people are so bothered about £12 a month. It's probably the best value of any product or service out there, I genuinely cannot think of something that offers so much for so little - maybe the NHS.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know
I'm struggling here...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
a decent broadband connection for one
netflix/amazon prime
and of course love....
posted on 28/7/15
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
The BBC doesn't get away with crap
..............
Maybe the BBC has changed since I left the UK.
If it has you can ignore my comments as ignorance.
Back in the day the BBC always used to give thoroughly biased (Labour) views in its political and news programs, and Match of the Day was always pro bin dipper due to it's employment of ex Liverpool players.
posted on 28/7/15
Robben
I don't exactly understand what we are debating now? I'm all for paying a fee, what I'm saying is that the BBC should probably change the law so that the license fee covers all BBC services as I'm sure plenty people want to use them other than TV and don't pay.
The BBC is a great service, not just it's TV so it makes sense that people pay to use all their services as a result of loss of license fee would mean the entire BBC finishing, not just the TV side.
posted on 28/7/15
I barely communicate with you
..........
Nothing forces you too.
posted on 28/7/15
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Heads shoulders knees John Stones, knees John Stones (U9760)
posted 53 seconds ago
The only thing that really irks me about the licence fee is that you get criminalised for not paying it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like you would for any other good/service that you didn't pay for
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Point being, many people would chose not to have BBC products for the price they charge. But they make it law that to use any kind of TV you have to pay for the BBC service.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It would probably be prohibitively expensive to implement some sort of blocker. Also, imagine the number of people who would cancel... the BBC would collapse overnight and people would still use/watch the content through streams or online or whatever.
It's £150 ffs, over the course of a year it's £2.50 a week - get over it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, as well as the £140 a month council tax, the national insurance, the tax, the VAT on everything we pay.
We at citizens get royally screwed over by our own government, we're just too blind and lazy to do anything about it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think you missed the point here.
Council tax is for your house (so your bins get emptied, roads get swept, so the police/fire/ambulance turn up when you phone them etc...).
National insurance is so you have some money to live on when you retire that rewards you for working in younger years.
'Tax' - I need you to elaborate on this.
VAT is a way of the government collecting money so that it can provide services to the country, it's infrastructure economy etc...
TV license is +-£10 a month Busby...
posted on 28/7/15
"but a "tv tax" in 2015 is ludicrous in my opinion."
That's because it isn't a TV tax at all, it's a tax to keep the BBC running. A service which is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
If we have shows like Planet Earth, Wonders of the Universe etc more often, then it would be an amazing channel. Instead money is ploughed into crap TV and radio people don't listen to.
posted on 28/7/15
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 19 seconds ago
I barely communicate with you
..........
Nothing forces you too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The force is strong
posted on 28/7/15
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robben
I don't exactly understand what we are debating now? I'm all for paying a fee, what I'm saying is that the BBC should probably change the law so that the license fee covers all BBC services as I'm sure plenty people want to use them other than TV and don't pay.
The BBC is a great service, not just it's TV so it makes sense that people pay to use all their services as a result of loss of license fee would mean the entire BBC finishing, not just the TV side.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it's too unenforceable - how do you charge someone for tuning into BBC radio in their car ffs?
As I've said above, the fee does fund all of the service - people may not think so, but the more people that stop paying, the clearer it will become.
posted on 28/7/15
I think we agree MU_82, but we're a bit tangled in articulation.
posted on 28/7/15
I`ve got a good idea, let`s scrap the £150 a year TV licence fee, and make everybody sign up to the £600 a year Sky fee. That`s the way things are heading. No wonder Murdoch is laughing.
posted on 28/7/15
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Heads shoulders knees John Stones, knees John Stones (U9760)
posted 53 seconds ago
The only thing that really irks me about the licence fee is that you get criminalised for not paying it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like you would for any other good/service that you didn't pay for
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Point being, many people would chose not to have BBC products for the price they charge. But they make it law that to use any kind of TV you have to pay for the BBC service.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It would probably be prohibitively expensive to implement some sort of blocker. Also, imagine the number of people who would cancel... the BBC would collapse overnight and people would still use/watch the content through streams or online or whatever.
It's £150 ffs, over the course of a year it's £2.50 a week - get over it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, as well as the £140 a month council tax, the national insurance, the tax, the VAT on everything we pay.
We at citizens get royally screwed over by our own government, we're just too blind and lazy to do anything about it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think you missed the point here.
Council tax is for your house (so your bins get emptied, roads get swept, so the police/fire/ambulance turn up when you phone them etc...).
National insurance is so you have some money to live on when you retire that rewards you for working in younger years.
'Tax' - I need you to elaborate on this.
VAT is a way of the government collecting money so that it can provide services to the country, it's infrastructure economy etc...
TV license is +-£10 a month Busby...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, but what I'm saying is thats another £10 taken form our pockets on top of the 40% of our wages we already give to the government.
It adds up and no matter how much Mr Osborne tells you the country is prosperous and improving, anybody who lives a normal life will tell you quite the opposite.
The BBC, just like everything under government umbrella, seem to enjoy wasting our money.
posted on 28/7/15
"I think it's too unenforceable - how do you charge someone for tuning into BBC radio in their car ffs? "
You use digital radio. Just like on the TV.
posted on 28/7/15
Let's hug and watch some classic Beeb, Jim'll Fix It?
posted on 28/7/15
"Instead money is ploughed into crap TV and radio people don't listen to."
I think you mean, "I don't listen to". The problem is the beeb is servicing the entire community, it has to, (nearly) everyone is paying for it.
When something comes on I don't want to watch, I do something else or watch another channel. That's why I pay for them. Or go for a walk - that's free!!
posted on 28/7/15
"on top of the 40% of our wages we already give to the government. "
If you are paying 40% of your gross wages to the govt. then you are earning about £150k. Why does £150 matter?
posted on 28/7/15
comment by helvellyn spur (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
I`ve got a good idea, let`s scrap the £150 a year TV licence fee, and make everybody sign up to the £600 a year Sky fee. That`s the way things are heading. No wonder Murdoch is laughing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But those who CHOSE to join Sky, have the choice of what channels and package they wish to subscribe to.
They also get about 700 channels, not 3/4.
posted on 28/7/15
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
"but a "tv tax" in 2015 is ludicrous in my opinion."
That's because it isn't a TV tax at all, it's a tax to keep the BBC running. A service which is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
If we have shows like Planet Earth, Wonders of the Universe etc more often, then it would be an amazing channel. Instead money is ploughed into crap TV and radio people don't listen to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it is a tax on using a tv - or laptop - to watch live programs, it is a tv tax in all but name.
and all i ever hear from people defending the bcc is reference to their nature programs...blimey, give me £4bn a year, every year, without me having to work for it, and i'll make you some superb nature shows, honest!
posted on 28/7/15
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
"I think it's too unenforceable - how do you charge someone for tuning into BBC radio in their car ffs? "
You use digital radio. Just like on the TV.
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Not every car has a digital radio. How would I log in to my BBC account through my FM transmitter?
posted on 28/7/15
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
"but a "tv tax" in 2015 is ludicrous in my opinion."
That's because it isn't a TV tax at all, it's a tax to keep the BBC running. A service which is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
If we have shows like Planet Earth, Wonders of the Universe etc more often, then it would be an amazing channel. Instead money is ploughed into crap TV and radio people don't listen to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it is a tax on using a tv - or laptop - to watch live programs, it is a tv tax in all but name.
and all i ever hear from people defending the bcc is reference to their nature programs...blimey, give me £4bn a year, every year, without me having to work for it, and i'll make you some superb nature shows, honest!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's a tax for tv, tv online, radio, news, websites....
posted on 28/7/15
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 26 seconds ago
"on top of the 40% of our wages we already give to the government. "
If you are paying 40% of your gross wages to the govt. then you are earning about £150k. Why does £150 matter?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not if you consider everything you buy had a VAT attached to it Robben.
Like most I pay around 20% in NI/Tax, I pay council tax, I pay road tax, I pay TV license and on everything I purchase 20% of what I am buying is also taxed. On a £2,000 a month income it works out to around 40%.
posted on 28/7/15
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 48 seconds ago
"I think it's too unenforceable - how do you charge someone for tuning into BBC radio in their car ffs? "
You use digital radio. Just like on the TV.
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Actually, no, you just charge them to own the device capable of receiving the signal. But the radio licence disappeared years ago.
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