The box rule would certainly make sense.
would be easy for the linesman to make that call aswell.
comment by Emre Can really is that good! (U9282)
posted 17 minutes ago
The box rule would certainly make sense.
would be easy for the linesman to make that call aswell.
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Exactly. Everyone gives the officials to hard a time especially the media. We need to make rules that are easy to call so mistakes happen less. I would rather a slightly unfair rule that is applied equally to everyone than a fair convoluted rule that is all over the place in terms of application.
To that end it should be an automatic yellow card to anyone who is not the captain going up to a referee and also apply the yellow cards retrospectively if the ref doesnt. I would love to see a ref book 7 players on one team at the same time (cough Chelsea cough). Happen once or twice with the odd second yellow and everybody would stop doing it.
To that end it should be an automatic yellow card to anyone who is not the captain going up to a referee and also apply the yellow cards retrospectively if the ref doesnt. I would love to see a ref book 7 players on one team at the same time (cough Chelsea cough). Happen once or twice with the odd second yellow and everybody would stop doing it.
isnt there a rule already about that?
Problem is, no ref has the balls to apply the letter of law in a game for fear of major criticism.
im with the whole booking for defenders grabbing players in the box (skrtel is one of the worst for it) aswell....book everyone doing it in a game...watch how many do it after.
There needs to be a memo to all clubs that refs will apply these laws to the letter and then there can be no moaning
I don't think ambiguity with the offside rule was an issue
the new rule is making a clear attempt to play the ball and Cout couldn't have been any clearer. Bruce Lee would have been impressed with his attempt to play the ball.
He must have just not seen it (were Benteke +1 blocking his view?) or it was a big error. There wasn't any confusion with rules IMO.
and I don't think Skrtel is one of the worst at grappling on corners. Every replay of every corner you see it from everyone on every side. Ref's even know he's got a rep for it and still don't call it.
It's not because he's handsome and they have a soft spot for him, it's becuase everyone else is just as bad.
I don't think ambiguity with the offside rule was an issue
possibly not in this case, or maybe the assistant was just in last season mode.
think there will be more ambiguous scenarios as the season goes on when KK had it spot on where a offside in the area rule would be easier to police (as they could be deemed to be interfering if in the box)
and I don't think Skrtel is one of the worst at grappling on corners. Every replay of every corner you see it from everyone on every side. Ref's even know he's got a rep for it and still don't call it.
it goes on in every game, but it annoys the hell out of me that skrtel does it so much...he is one of the worst
Say a forward gets injured in the box, he goes down, the ball is hoofed clear, but comes straight back in and a goal is scored.
Would that be disallowed under this "box" idea because the injured striker is offside, even if he is laying down at the time?
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 8 minutes ago
Say a forward gets injured in the box, he goes down, the ball is hoofed clear, but comes straight back in and a goal is scored.
Would that be disallowed under this "box" idea because the injured striker is offside, even if he is laying down at the time?
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Could easily add the caveat that a player who is injured is considered out of play. Plus you could argue the ref should stop play is someone is injured in the box - potentially dangerous / interrupts play.
But even if the answer is yes, like I said an unfair rule that can be applied easily is surely better - it is the same for everyone then and none of this "it evens out" bllocks.
And Kaiser's, for me there are too many things for the linesmen to be thinking about. Under my suggestion all he has to do is go "are any of the Liverpool players beyond the last man and inside the box?" I think most would see Coutinho clearly is and so put their flags up regardless of whether he goes for the ball or not. Would be unfortunate for Benteke but players would just need to learn to be better at staying onside
Would that be disallowed under this "box" idea because the injured striker is offside, even if he is laying down at the time?
it would be an unfortunate consequence, but how often would that be the case where either the ref hasnt stopped play or someone hasnt kicked the ball out for a player being down?
i give it 5 years and it will all be reviewed by video analytics via sensors and algorithms and be near flawless
The powers that be desperately need to stop complicating the game for the officials and embrace the technology of the 21 st century just as other global sports have done, to the betterment of the sport.
We got lucky last night. A welcome change, but if I was a Bournemouth fan I would be livid.
I like the way we appear to be more solid defensively and I'm delighted that this season we seem to have a player up front in Benteke, who can offer so much more with or without Sturridge.
However, I am not confident for our trip to 'the big smoke' next Monday.
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
Say a forward gets injured in the box, he goes down, the ball is hoofed clear, but comes straight back in and a goal is scored.
Would that be disallowed under this "box" idea because the injured striker is offside, even if he is laying down at the time?
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For me yes, if I defender is down injured he is still playing people onside, so it should work both ways imo
i think any player in an offside position is interfering with play
keepers are aware of them, defenders look over their shoulder to keep an eye if theyre still off, etc.
i'd favour 2 states, on and off. no ambiguity
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 38 minutes ago
i think any player in an offside position is interfering with play
keepers are aware of them, defenders look over their shoulder to keep an eye if theyre still off, etc.
i'd favour 2 states, on and off. no ambiguity
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I agree, if your not interfering with play, then why are you on the pitch?
It would be hard to take if a player who is around the left corner flag but offside, is adjudged to be interfering in play when the goal has been manufactured on the right and scored a good 30-40 yards from his position.
I think it's idiotic the way the authorities go about some of these rules. Changing the wording won't help when there is no clear direction on interpretation. Judging whether a player is interfering in play should be an easy decision made on the spot IMO but for some reason the officials keep messing up. I don't mean to make it sound so simple but I can't see why a linesman should have problems make that call correctly.
perfect example of this idiotic rule last night.
countinho was a good 10 yards onside, with Can walking the other way as he was in an offiside position. because he was near the ball, they gave offside.
officials dont even understand it themselves
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posted on 18/8/15
The box rule would certainly make sense.
would be easy for the linesman to make that call aswell.
posted on 18/8/15
comment by Emre Can really is that good! (U9282)
posted 17 minutes ago
The box rule would certainly make sense.
would be easy for the linesman to make that call aswell.
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Exactly. Everyone gives the officials to hard a time especially the media. We need to make rules that are easy to call so mistakes happen less. I would rather a slightly unfair rule that is applied equally to everyone than a fair convoluted rule that is all over the place in terms of application.
To that end it should be an automatic yellow card to anyone who is not the captain going up to a referee and also apply the yellow cards retrospectively if the ref doesnt. I would love to see a ref book 7 players on one team at the same time (cough Chelsea cough). Happen once or twice with the odd second yellow and everybody would stop doing it.
posted on 18/8/15
To that end it should be an automatic yellow card to anyone who is not the captain going up to a referee and also apply the yellow cards retrospectively if the ref doesnt. I would love to see a ref book 7 players on one team at the same time (cough Chelsea cough). Happen once or twice with the odd second yellow and everybody would stop doing it.
isnt there a rule already about that?
Problem is, no ref has the balls to apply the letter of law in a game for fear of major criticism.
im with the whole booking for defenders grabbing players in the box (skrtel is one of the worst for it) aswell....book everyone doing it in a game...watch how many do it after.
There needs to be a memo to all clubs that refs will apply these laws to the letter and then there can be no moaning
posted on 18/8/15
I don't think ambiguity with the offside rule was an issue
the new rule is making a clear attempt to play the ball and Cout couldn't have been any clearer. Bruce Lee would have been impressed with his attempt to play the ball.
He must have just not seen it (were Benteke +1 blocking his view?) or it was a big error. There wasn't any confusion with rules IMO.
posted on 18/8/15
and I don't think Skrtel is one of the worst at grappling on corners. Every replay of every corner you see it from everyone on every side. Ref's even know he's got a rep for it and still don't call it.
It's not because he's handsome and they have a soft spot for him, it's becuase everyone else is just as bad.
posted on 18/8/15
I don't think ambiguity with the offside rule was an issue
possibly not in this case, or maybe the assistant was just in last season mode.
think there will be more ambiguous scenarios as the season goes on when KK had it spot on where a offside in the area rule would be easier to police (as they could be deemed to be interfering if in the box)
posted on 18/8/15
and I don't think Skrtel is one of the worst at grappling on corners. Every replay of every corner you see it from everyone on every side. Ref's even know he's got a rep for it and still don't call it.
it goes on in every game, but it annoys the hell out of me that skrtel does it so much...he is one of the worst
posted on 18/8/15
Say a forward gets injured in the box, he goes down, the ball is hoofed clear, but comes straight back in and a goal is scored.
Would that be disallowed under this "box" idea because the injured striker is offside, even if he is laying down at the time?
posted on 18/8/15
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 8 minutes ago
Say a forward gets injured in the box, he goes down, the ball is hoofed clear, but comes straight back in and a goal is scored.
Would that be disallowed under this "box" idea because the injured striker is offside, even if he is laying down at the time?
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Could easily add the caveat that a player who is injured is considered out of play. Plus you could argue the ref should stop play is someone is injured in the box - potentially dangerous / interrupts play.
But even if the answer is yes, like I said an unfair rule that can be applied easily is surely better - it is the same for everyone then and none of this "it evens out" bllocks.
And Kaiser's, for me there are too many things for the linesmen to be thinking about. Under my suggestion all he has to do is go "are any of the Liverpool players beyond the last man and inside the box?" I think most would see Coutinho clearly is and so put their flags up regardless of whether he goes for the ball or not. Would be unfortunate for Benteke but players would just need to learn to be better at staying onside
posted on 18/8/15
Would that be disallowed under this "box" idea because the injured striker is offside, even if he is laying down at the time?
it would be an unfortunate consequence, but how often would that be the case where either the ref hasnt stopped play or someone hasnt kicked the ball out for a player being down?
posted on 18/8/15
i give it 5 years and it will all be reviewed by video analytics via sensors and algorithms and be near flawless
posted on 18/8/15
The powers that be desperately need to stop complicating the game for the officials and embrace the technology of the 21 st century just as other global sports have done, to the betterment of the sport.
We got lucky last night. A welcome change, but if I was a Bournemouth fan I would be livid.
I like the way we appear to be more solid defensively and I'm delighted that this season we seem to have a player up front in Benteke, who can offer so much more with or without Sturridge.
However, I am not confident for our trip to 'the big smoke' next Monday.
posted on 18/8/15
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
Say a forward gets injured in the box, he goes down, the ball is hoofed clear, but comes straight back in and a goal is scored.
Would that be disallowed under this "box" idea because the injured striker is offside, even if he is laying down at the time?
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For me yes, if I defender is down injured he is still playing people onside, so it should work both ways imo
posted on 18/8/15
i think any player in an offside position is interfering with play
keepers are aware of them, defenders look over their shoulder to keep an eye if theyre still off, etc.
i'd favour 2 states, on and off. no ambiguity
posted on 18/8/15
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 38 minutes ago
i think any player in an offside position is interfering with play
keepers are aware of them, defenders look over their shoulder to keep an eye if theyre still off, etc.
i'd favour 2 states, on and off. no ambiguity
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I agree, if your not interfering with play, then why are you on the pitch?
posted on 18/8/15
It would be hard to take if a player who is around the left corner flag but offside, is adjudged to be interfering in play when the goal has been manufactured on the right and scored a good 30-40 yards from his position.
I think it's idiotic the way the authorities go about some of these rules. Changing the wording won't help when there is no clear direction on interpretation. Judging whether a player is interfering in play should be an easy decision made on the spot IMO but for some reason the officials keep messing up. I don't mean to make it sound so simple but I can't see why a linesman should have problems make that call correctly.
posted on 25/8/15
perfect example of this idiotic rule last night.
countinho was a good 10 yards onside, with Can walking the other way as he was in an offiside position. because he was near the ball, they gave offside.
officials dont even understand it themselves
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