comment by MrTweedy ft ForzaJules17 (U5058)
posted 1 minute ago
I get if you look at stats then Ali didn't have the best record, but for me no boxer has come close to him. I can only assume you haven't watched any of his fights if you think he was all mouth and shuffles?
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i never said he was all mouth and shuffle, i said he was a great fighter ( which he was) but overated for me, thats all.
Fair comment, if you think he was overrated then that's your opinion and fair play to you.
You're wrong, but fair play.
ali had to cheat so he didnt get ko'd by cooper
comment by BlaBla (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tyson (mike) was probably the last great heavyweight boxer
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I think Lennox Lewis deserves to be remembered as a great heavyweight, tbf.
Floyd Mayweather was taken the distance but he is probably the best ever boxing technician
Who did tyson fight that was actually a top boxer and wasnt over the hill?
taken the distance many times**
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BlaBla (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tyson (mike) was probably the last great heavyweight boxer
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I think Lennox Lewis deserves to be remembered as a great heavyweight, tbf.
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As dunc would say
Overrated
comment by _Viva_la Nemanja Vida (U6044)
posted 11 seconds ago
Floyd Mayweather was taken the distance but he is probably the best ever boxing technician
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Not every boxer is a knockout specialist. Doesn't mean they are worse boxers - as you say technical skills wins fights as much as knockouts.
comment by BlaBla (U11635)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BlaBla (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tyson (mike) was probably the last great heavyweight boxer
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I think Lennox Lewis deserves to be remembered as a great heavyweight, tbf.
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As dunc would say
Overrated
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Underrated, it seems.
in their prime.
tyson V Ali... who wins??
Not every boxer is a knockout specialist. Doesn't mean they are worse boxers - as you say technical skills wins fights as much as knockouts.
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If we were to judge boxers only on KOs then many of the greats would be overlooked. Boxing isn't just about knocking someone out, yes it's how you want to win and it's what looks best but some boxers aren't KO specialists, doesn't make them weaker.
comment by _Viva_la Nemanja Vida (U6044)
posted 11 seconds ago
Floyd Mayweather was taken the distance but he is probably the best ever boxing technician
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Not every boxer is a knockout specialist. Doesn't mean they are worse boxers - as you say technical skills wins fights as much as knockouts.
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Thats the point i was making
comment by _Viva_la Nemanja Vida (U6044)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by _Viva_la Nemanja Vida (U6044)
posted 11 seconds ago
Floyd Mayweather was taken the distance but he is probably the best ever boxing technician
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Not every boxer is a knockout specialist. Doesn't mean they are worse boxers - as you say technical skills wins fights as much as knockouts.
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Thats the point i was making
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That is why I said 'as you say'
Ali wins it for me. Tyson was an animal but he wouldn't intimidate Ali.
As you said about the fighters Ali were taken the distance by, look at Tyson's record and find me a few huge names he took down. Not knocking him as love him as a boxer (also has a very interesting autobiography!) but Ali beat everyone in their prime.
Ali was also never knocked out by the way.
comment by _Viva_la Nemanja Vida (U6044)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by _Viva_la Nemanja Vida (U6044)
posted 11 seconds ago
Floyd Mayweather was taken the distance but he is probably the best ever boxing technician
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Not every boxer is a knockout specialist. Doesn't mean they are worse boxers - as you say technical skills wins fights as much as knockouts.
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Thats the point i was making
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That is why I said 'as you say'
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I think boxing is overrated. Don't see the appeal at all.
comment by Dunc, the imposter of many (U11713)
posted 13 minutes ago
in their prime.
tyson V Ali... who wins??
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The promoter.
Manchester United 1998-99.
Hammered by Arsenal at Highbury, couldn't beat Arsenal or Chelsea in the league. Humbled by Middlesborough and Sheffield Wednesday plus held 13 times to a draw in the league. Only won 2 out of 6 group games in CL, drawing 7 out of 13 CL games.
That is how I imagine Dunc judges the United treble winning team based on his breakdown of Ali's career
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
Manchester United 1998-99.
Hammered by Arsenal at Highbury, couldn't beat Arsenal or Chelsea in the league. Humbled by Middlesborough and Sheffield Wednesday plus held 13 times to a draw in the league. Only won 2 out of 6 group games in CL, drawing 7 out of 13 CL games.
That is how I imagine Dunc judges the United treble winning team based on his breakdown of Ali's career
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If you pulled all of those facts from your head I am very impressed.
comment by MrTweedy ft ForzaJules17 (U5058)
posted 19 minutes ago
Ali was also never knocked out by the way.
..............
Cheating by his trainer made sure of that.
Very possibly, but sadly we will never know
Have to say Paul Scholes. Top player but very overrated and not deserving to be mentioned along true greats like Zidane and Gerrard.
depends how you define overrated, by saying he's the greatest sportsman of all time then people are overrating him, he wasnt even the greatest boxer of all time, Sugar Ray Robinson was (just about anyone who is anyone in Boxing rates SRR as the GOAT) but Ali was almost certainly an all time top 10 pound for pound fighter
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posted on 2/12/15
comment by MrTweedy ft ForzaJules17 (U5058)
posted 1 minute ago
I get if you look at stats then Ali didn't have the best record, but for me no boxer has come close to him. I can only assume you haven't watched any of his fights if you think he was all mouth and shuffles?
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i never said he was all mouth and shuffle, i said he was a great fighter ( which he was) but overated for me, thats all.
posted on 2/12/15
Fair comment, if you think he was overrated then that's your opinion and fair play to you.
You're wrong, but fair play.
posted on 2/12/15
ali had to cheat so he didnt get ko'd by cooper
posted on 2/12/15
comment by BlaBla (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tyson (mike) was probably the last great heavyweight boxer
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I think Lennox Lewis deserves to be remembered as a great heavyweight, tbf.
posted on 2/12/15
Floyd Mayweather was taken the distance but he is probably the best ever boxing technician
posted on 2/12/15
Who did tyson fight that was actually a top boxer and wasnt over the hill?
posted on 2/12/15
taken the distance many times**
posted on 2/12/15
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BlaBla (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tyson (mike) was probably the last great heavyweight boxer
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I think Lennox Lewis deserves to be remembered as a great heavyweight, tbf.
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As dunc would say
Overrated
posted on 2/12/15
comment by _Viva_la Nemanja Vida (U6044)
posted 11 seconds ago
Floyd Mayweather was taken the distance but he is probably the best ever boxing technician
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Not every boxer is a knockout specialist. Doesn't mean they are worse boxers - as you say technical skills wins fights as much as knockouts.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by BlaBla (U11635)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BlaBla (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tyson (mike) was probably the last great heavyweight boxer
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I think Lennox Lewis deserves to be remembered as a great heavyweight, tbf.
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As dunc would say
Overrated
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Underrated, it seems.
posted on 2/12/15
in their prime.
tyson V Ali... who wins??
posted on 2/12/15
Not every boxer is a knockout specialist. Doesn't mean they are worse boxers - as you say technical skills wins fights as much as knockouts.
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If we were to judge boxers only on KOs then many of the greats would be overlooked. Boxing isn't just about knocking someone out, yes it's how you want to win and it's what looks best but some boxers aren't KO specialists, doesn't make them weaker.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by _Viva_la Nemanja Vida (U6044)
posted 11 seconds ago
Floyd Mayweather was taken the distance but he is probably the best ever boxing technician
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Not every boxer is a knockout specialist. Doesn't mean they are worse boxers - as you say technical skills wins fights as much as knockouts.
-----------------
Thats the point i was making
posted on 2/12/15
comment by _Viva_la Nemanja Vida (U6044)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by _Viva_la Nemanja Vida (U6044)
posted 11 seconds ago
Floyd Mayweather was taken the distance but he is probably the best ever boxing technician
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Not every boxer is a knockout specialist. Doesn't mean they are worse boxers - as you say technical skills wins fights as much as knockouts.
-----------------
Thats the point i was making
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That is why I said 'as you say'
posted on 2/12/15
Ali wins it for me. Tyson was an animal but he wouldn't intimidate Ali.
As you said about the fighters Ali were taken the distance by, look at Tyson's record and find me a few huge names he took down. Not knocking him as love him as a boxer (also has a very interesting autobiography!) but Ali beat everyone in their prime.
posted on 2/12/15
Ali was also never knocked out by the way.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by _Viva_la Nemanja Vida (U6044)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by _Viva_la Nemanja Vida (U6044)
posted 11 seconds ago
Floyd Mayweather was taken the distance but he is probably the best ever boxing technician
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Not every boxer is a knockout specialist. Doesn't mean they are worse boxers - as you say technical skills wins fights as much as knockouts.
-----------------
Thats the point i was making
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That is why I said 'as you say'
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posted on 2/12/15
I think boxing is overrated. Don't see the appeal at all.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by Dunc, the imposter of many (U11713)
posted 13 minutes ago
in their prime.
tyson V Ali... who wins??
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The promoter.
posted on 2/12/15
Manchester United 1998-99.
Hammered by Arsenal at Highbury, couldn't beat Arsenal or Chelsea in the league. Humbled by Middlesborough and Sheffield Wednesday plus held 13 times to a draw in the league. Only won 2 out of 6 group games in CL, drawing 7 out of 13 CL games.
That is how I imagine Dunc judges the United treble winning team based on his breakdown of Ali's career
posted on 2/12/15
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
Manchester United 1998-99.
Hammered by Arsenal at Highbury, couldn't beat Arsenal or Chelsea in the league. Humbled by Middlesborough and Sheffield Wednesday plus held 13 times to a draw in the league. Only won 2 out of 6 group games in CL, drawing 7 out of 13 CL games.
That is how I imagine Dunc judges the United treble winning team based on his breakdown of Ali's career
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If you pulled all of those facts from your head I am very impressed.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by MrTweedy ft ForzaJules17 (U5058)
posted 19 minutes ago
Ali was also never knocked out by the way.
..............
Cheating by his trainer made sure of that.
posted on 2/12/15
Very possibly, but sadly we will never know
posted on 2/12/15
Have to say Paul Scholes. Top player but very overrated and not deserving to be mentioned along true greats like Zidane and Gerrard.
posted on 2/12/15
depends how you define overrated, by saying he's the greatest sportsman of all time then people are overrating him, he wasnt even the greatest boxer of all time, Sugar Ray Robinson was (just about anyone who is anyone in Boxing rates SRR as the GOAT) but Ali was almost certainly an all time top 10 pound for pound fighter
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