comment by Mamba - Sterling, what's the score? (U1282) (U13041)
posted 1 minute ago
Have to say Paul Scholes. Top player but very overrated and not deserving to be mentioned along true greats like Zidane and Gerrard.
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You are trying to hard Mamba.
comment by Mex (U6687)
posted 2 seconds ago
depends how you define overrated, by saying he's the greatest sportsman of all time then people are overrating him, he wasnt even the greatest boxer of all time, Sugar Ray Robinson was (just about anyone who is anyone in Boxing rates SRR as the GOAT) but Ali was almost certainly an all time top 10 pound for pound fighter
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Valid point, what separates Ali is he was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport and therefore a better boxer like Sugar Ray may not be classed at the greatest ever due to fighting in a lower weight class.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by MrTweedy ft ForzaJules17 (U5058)
posted 19 minutes ago
Ali was also never knocked out by the way.
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Cheating by his trainer made sure of that.
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Ah the glove debacle in the Henry Cooper fight?
Pac fantastic fighter and a great record but don't think he was as good as everyone made out (just a tiny notch below Mayweather)
Rooney - Remember reading something on him a while back stating that for all his potential he should have been up there with the Ronaldo's of the football world, plus his international record (tournaments) leaves a lot to be desired.
Tim Henman and Rusedski - Cracking shout whoever put that.
Phil Taylor - One of the greatest sportsman ever pfffft nope, he throws darts and is a great darts player but even as a massive fan don't think he should be classed as a top class sportsman.
Sven Goran Eriksson - How does he keep getting managerial jobs.
I always thought Lennox Lewis was overrated, hid behind his decent jab and fought in a poor era.
To say Ali was overrated is nuts imo.
Agreed rauben Totally wrong.
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by MrTweedy ft ForzaJules17 (U5058)
posted 19 minutes ago
Ali was also never knocked out by the way.
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Cheating by his trainer made sure of that.
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Ah the glove debacle in the Henry Cooper fight?
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And smelling salts which was illegal at the time. Would Henry have knocked him out if Dundee had not cheated.
The fact that he felt he had to do everything possible to delay Clay from getting back out there tells the story.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Sterling, what's the score? (U1282) (U13041)
posted 1 minute ago
Have to say Paul Scholes. Top player but very overrated and not deserving to be mentioned along true greats like Zidane and Gerrard.
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You are trying to hard Mamba
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What are you talking about? This is my opinion and my first post here. Are you stalking me?
comment by derbymanc (U18914)
posted 4 minutes ago
Pac fantastic fighter and a great record but don't think he was as good as everyone made out (just a tiny notch below Mayweather)
Rooney - Remember reading something on him a while back stating that for all his potential he should have been up there with the Ronaldo's of the football world, plus his international record (tournaments) leaves a lot to be desired.
Tim Henman and Rusedski - Cracking shout whoever put that.
Phil Taylor - One of the greatest sportsman ever pfffft nope, he throws darts and is a great darts player but even as a massive fan don't think he should be classed as a top class sportsman.
Sven Goran Eriksson - How does he keep getting managerial jobs.
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Had Pac and FMJ fought when Pac was at his peak it could well have been a different story, I think Pac is one of the best fighters in years at throwing power punches from any angle moving in any direction and off either hand, he was the best in the world for a few years.
Phil Taylor is unrivaled in his field so can't really be overrated but I take your point about is darts a sport etc.
Had Pac and FMJ fought when Pac was at his peak it could well have been a different story, I think Pac is one of the best fighters in years at throwing power punches from any angle moving in any direction and off either hand, he was the best in the world for a few years.
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Agree. Not surprising Floyd and his team did all they could to delay it a number of years. If they fight 4/5 years ago, I fancy Pac wins it.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
What are you talking about? This is my opinion and my first post here. Are you stalking me?
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Oh, you are being serious. I don't think any one required confirmation of your idiocy.
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Stalking you? I was on here before you, you moron.
A shame Harry didn't get a fair fight.
Taylor is fantastic in his chosen profession and should be lauded by the darting community, just not tauted as one of the greatest sportsmen ever.
The HW champ is still seen as the man today but due to the proliferation of belts would be seen as a better achievment in Ali's era.
Also the Ali/Cooper thing is a big myth, the actual extra time added was a whopping 6 seconds http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/16985467
comment by Mamba - Sterling, what's the score? (U1282) (U13041)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Sterling, what's the score? (U1282) (U13041)
posted 1 minute ago
Have to say Paul Scholes. Top player but very overrated and not deserving to be mentioned along true greats like Zidane and Gerrard.
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You are trying to hard Mamba
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What are you talking about? This is my opinion and my first post here. Are you stalking me?
-------------------------------------------------------------------- Gerrard and Zizou in the same sentence
Had Pac and FMJ fought when Pac was at his peak it could well have been a different story,
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Correct, he wouldn't have landed as many punches.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
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its the most prestigious simply because its "the Heavyweight Championship of the World" but in terms of skill required to win it, its no easier or more difficult than winning the lightweight or welterweight title depending on the era
comment by Mex (U6687)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
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its the most prestigious simply because its "the Heavyweight Championship of the World" but in terms of skill required to win it, its no easier or more difficult than winning the lightweight or welterweight title depending on the era
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But the "greatest prize in sport"? It's just punching people and avoiding being punched. I don't get why it's held above other sports.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mex (U6687)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
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its the most prestigious simply because its "the Heavyweight Championship of the World" but in terms of skill required to win it, its no easier or more difficult than winning the lightweight or welterweight title depending on the era
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But the "greatest prize in sport"? It's just punching people and avoiding being punched. I don't get why it's held above other sports.
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in terms of individual sport it probably is, either that or the 100m Men's olympic Champion
I don't get why it's held above other sports.
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Have you tried it? Pretty lonely in there and you get punched in the head.
comment by Rauben_Hoody (U6374)
posted 39 seconds ago
I don't get why it's held above other sports.
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Have you tried it? Pretty lonely in there and you get punched in the head.
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Nope, but there's lots of things I haven't tried but still enjoy watching someone else do.
I mean I can respect the guy who steps into the ring, on his own, as you say. But as a sporting spectacle it all rather leaves me cold. Punch, miss, punch, miss, punch, hit. Drink. Bleed.
The skill and athleticism involved is mental. and anyone that steps through them ropes should be held in high regard imo.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Mex (U6687)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
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its the most prestigious simply because its "the Heavyweight Championship of the World" but in terms of skill required to win it, its no easier or more difficult than winning the lightweight or welterweight title depending on the era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the "greatest prize in sport"? It's just punching people and avoiding being punched. I don't get why it's held above other sports.
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Well there's a bunch of reasons.
1) It takes years of dedication to even get a shot at the title
2) It's the purest form of combat sport there is
3) It brings out peoples primitive instincts when watching. We no longer have the colosseum for entertainment but it’s as (disappointingly) close as it gets
4) People put their bodies and reputations on the line
As a sport, it does make tennis players and footballers, even rugby players, look like wimps.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
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Referred to as the greatest prize I should have said, it's not going to be to someone who doesn't like Boxing. My point was it's seen as the biggest prize in boxing so can be a reason why Ali for example is seen as the greatest of all time when SSR was the better boxer but as he fought at a lower weight division he might not get the same recognition by people outside of the sport as he should.
I think today due to the lack of talent in the Heavy Weight division more people now recognize what goes on at lower weight with say Mayweather being an example of this as he's widely considered the best in the business.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
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Referred to as the greatest prize I should have said, it's not going to be to someone who doesn't like Boxing. My point was it's seen as the biggest prize in boxing so can be a reason why Ali for example is seen as the greatest of all time when SSR was the better boxer but as he fought at a lower weight division he might not get the same recognition by people outside of the sport as he should.
I think today due to the lack of talent in the Heavy Weight division more people now recognize what goes on at lower weight with say Mayweather being an example of this as he's widely considered the best in the business.
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and now Mayweather's gone you're looking at Roman Gonzalez who's probably the no1 p4p fighter going atm
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posted on 2/12/15
comment by Mamba - Sterling, what's the score? (U1282) (U13041)
posted 1 minute ago
Have to say Paul Scholes. Top player but very overrated and not deserving to be mentioned along true greats like Zidane and Gerrard.
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You are trying to hard Mamba.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by Mex (U6687)
posted 2 seconds ago
depends how you define overrated, by saying he's the greatest sportsman of all time then people are overrating him, he wasnt even the greatest boxer of all time, Sugar Ray Robinson was (just about anyone who is anyone in Boxing rates SRR as the GOAT) but Ali was almost certainly an all time top 10 pound for pound fighter
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Valid point, what separates Ali is he was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport and therefore a better boxer like Sugar Ray may not be classed at the greatest ever due to fighting in a lower weight class.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by MrTweedy ft ForzaJules17 (U5058)
posted 19 minutes ago
Ali was also never knocked out by the way.
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Cheating by his trainer made sure of that.
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Ah the glove debacle in the Henry Cooper fight?
posted on 2/12/15
Pac fantastic fighter and a great record but don't think he was as good as everyone made out (just a tiny notch below Mayweather)
Rooney - Remember reading something on him a while back stating that for all his potential he should have been up there with the Ronaldo's of the football world, plus his international record (tournaments) leaves a lot to be desired.
Tim Henman and Rusedski - Cracking shout whoever put that.
Phil Taylor - One of the greatest sportsman ever pfffft nope, he throws darts and is a great darts player but even as a massive fan don't think he should be classed as a top class sportsman.
Sven Goran Eriksson - How does he keep getting managerial jobs.
posted on 2/12/15
I always thought Lennox Lewis was overrated, hid behind his decent jab and fought in a poor era.
To say Ali was overrated is nuts imo.
posted on 2/12/15
Agreed rauben Totally wrong.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by MrTweedy ft ForzaJules17 (U5058)
posted 19 minutes ago
Ali was also never knocked out by the way.
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Cheating by his trainer made sure of that.
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Ah the glove debacle in the Henry Cooper fight?
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And smelling salts which was illegal at the time. Would Henry have knocked him out if Dundee had not cheated.
The fact that he felt he had to do everything possible to delay Clay from getting back out there tells the story.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Sterling, what's the score? (U1282) (U13041)
posted 1 minute ago
Have to say Paul Scholes. Top player but very overrated and not deserving to be mentioned along true greats like Zidane and Gerrard.
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You are trying to hard Mamba
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What are you talking about? This is my opinion and my first post here. Are you stalking me?
posted on 2/12/15
comment by derbymanc (U18914)
posted 4 minutes ago
Pac fantastic fighter and a great record but don't think he was as good as everyone made out (just a tiny notch below Mayweather)
Rooney - Remember reading something on him a while back stating that for all his potential he should have been up there with the Ronaldo's of the football world, plus his international record (tournaments) leaves a lot to be desired.
Tim Henman and Rusedski - Cracking shout whoever put that.
Phil Taylor - One of the greatest sportsman ever pfffft nope, he throws darts and is a great darts player but even as a massive fan don't think he should be classed as a top class sportsman.
Sven Goran Eriksson - How does he keep getting managerial jobs.
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Had Pac and FMJ fought when Pac was at his peak it could well have been a different story, I think Pac is one of the best fighters in years at throwing power punches from any angle moving in any direction and off either hand, he was the best in the world for a few years.
Phil Taylor is unrivaled in his field so can't really be overrated but I take your point about is darts a sport etc.
posted on 2/12/15
Had Pac and FMJ fought when Pac was at his peak it could well have been a different story, I think Pac is one of the best fighters in years at throwing power punches from any angle moving in any direction and off either hand, he was the best in the world for a few years.
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Agree. Not surprising Floyd and his team did all they could to delay it a number of years. If they fight 4/5 years ago, I fancy Pac wins it.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
posted on 2/12/15
What are you talking about? This is my opinion and my first post here. Are you stalking me?
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Oh, you are being serious. I don't think any one required confirmation of your idiocy.
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Stalking you? I was on here before you, you moron.
posted on 2/12/15
A shame Harry didn't get a fair fight.
posted on 2/12/15
Taylor is fantastic in his chosen profession and should be lauded by the darting community, just not tauted as one of the greatest sportsmen ever.
The HW champ is still seen as the man today but due to the proliferation of belts would be seen as a better achievment in Ali's era.
Also the Ali/Cooper thing is a big myth, the actual extra time added was a whopping 6 seconds http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/16985467
posted on 2/12/15
comment by Mamba - Sterling, what's the score? (U1282) (U13041)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Sterling, what's the score? (U1282) (U13041)
posted 1 minute ago
Have to say Paul Scholes. Top player but very overrated and not deserving to be mentioned along true greats like Zidane and Gerrard.
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You are trying to hard Mamba
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What are you talking about? This is my opinion and my first post here. Are you stalking me?
-------------------------------------------------------------------- Gerrard and Zizou in the same sentence
posted on 2/12/15
Had Pac and FMJ fought when Pac was at his peak it could well have been a different story,
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Correct, he wouldn't have landed as many punches.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
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its the most prestigious simply because its "the Heavyweight Championship of the World" but in terms of skill required to win it, its no easier or more difficult than winning the lightweight or welterweight title depending on the era
posted on 2/12/15
comment by Mex (U6687)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
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its the most prestigious simply because its "the Heavyweight Championship of the World" but in terms of skill required to win it, its no easier or more difficult than winning the lightweight or welterweight title depending on the era
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But the "greatest prize in sport"? It's just punching people and avoiding being punched. I don't get why it's held above other sports.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mex (U6687)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
its the most prestigious simply because its "the Heavyweight Championship of the World" but in terms of skill required to win it, its no easier or more difficult than winning the lightweight or welterweight title depending on the era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the "greatest prize in sport"? It's just punching people and avoiding being punched. I don't get why it's held above other sports.
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in terms of individual sport it probably is, either that or the 100m Men's olympic Champion
posted on 2/12/15
I don't get why it's held above other sports.
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Have you tried it? Pretty lonely in there and you get punched in the head.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by Rauben_Hoody (U6374)
posted 39 seconds ago
I don't get why it's held above other sports.
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Have you tried it? Pretty lonely in there and you get punched in the head.
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Nope, but there's lots of things I haven't tried but still enjoy watching someone else do.
I mean I can respect the guy who steps into the ring, on his own, as you say. But as a sporting spectacle it all rather leaves me cold. Punch, miss, punch, miss, punch, hit. Drink. Bleed.
posted on 2/12/15
The skill and athleticism involved is mental. and anyone that steps through them ropes should be held in high regard imo.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Mex (U6687)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
its the most prestigious simply because its "the Heavyweight Championship of the World" but in terms of skill required to win it, its no easier or more difficult than winning the lightweight or welterweight title depending on the era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the "greatest prize in sport"? It's just punching people and avoiding being punched. I don't get why it's held above other sports.
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Well there's a bunch of reasons.
1) It takes years of dedication to even get a shot at the title
2) It's the purest form of combat sport there is
3) It brings out peoples primitive instincts when watching. We no longer have the colosseum for entertainment but it’s as (disappointingly) close as it gets
4) People put their bodies and reputations on the line
As a sport, it does make tennis players and footballers, even rugby players, look like wimps.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
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Referred to as the greatest prize I should have said, it's not going to be to someone who doesn't like Boxing. My point was it's seen as the biggest prize in boxing so can be a reason why Ali for example is seen as the greatest of all time when SSR was the better boxer but as he fought at a lower weight division he might not get the same recognition by people outside of the sport as he should.
I think today due to the lack of talent in the Heavy Weight division more people now recognize what goes on at lower weight with say Mayweather being an example of this as he's widely considered the best in the business.
posted on 2/12/15
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
"...[Ali] was the heavyweight champion, that probably means less today then it did in Ali's era, it's the greatest prize in sport...."
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Do people really believe this? Is it just me?
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Referred to as the greatest prize I should have said, it's not going to be to someone who doesn't like Boxing. My point was it's seen as the biggest prize in boxing so can be a reason why Ali for example is seen as the greatest of all time when SSR was the better boxer but as he fought at a lower weight division he might not get the same recognition by people outside of the sport as he should.
I think today due to the lack of talent in the Heavy Weight division more people now recognize what goes on at lower weight with say Mayweather being an example of this as he's widely considered the best in the business.
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and now Mayweather's gone you're looking at Roman Gonzalez who's probably the no1 p4p fighter going atm
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