There aren't any tariffs on our trade with the EU at the moment, want to hazard a guess why?
Yes, that's right, we are in the EU.
----
Wow
Tell everyone about the tariffs that non EU members are paying then.
The stage is yours
And those arguing about EU being our biggest exports should probably look at the fact that 12 years ago we exported 55% of goods and services to the EU. It's now at 44% and falling
----------
What's the point arguing when your fact proves that it is still our biggest export market?
Metro, here you go..
http://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.htm
You don't need individual product codes, just have a look at the drop down.
Countries; Iceland and Turkey are in the drop down, UK isn't.
Ergo there are trade tariffs on Iceland and Turkey but not on the UK.
Why? Because the UK is in the UK.
So will you kindly bore off with your misinformation?
Cheers
*Why? Because the UK is in the EU
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 2 minutes ago
The remain campaign has been based on facts, statistics and informed opinion
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Facts? Statistics?
They're guesses pal - and ones I wouldn't be too confident of.
Afterall, these 'informed' people you speak of also backed us to join the Euro and we all know how that one worked out.
The people you're likely referring to stand to make big money if the common men like yourself fight their battles. They're buzzing on you because you don't get the benefit.
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I see you've fallen for the brexit 'we're looking out for the people' rhetoric. The leave campaign is funded by extremely wealthy brits that will benefit from leaving the eu due to reduced competition. It's not for the common man, it's for the elites that Gove keeps trying to claim run the EU.
Somehow boris, farage and gove have convinced people that will lose the most that they stand to gain the most. It's quite sad.
For the record not one single economic forecast backs the leave campaign. Not one single financial, political or educational body says it will benefit the UK. Are tey all wrong? IS it one big conspiracy that the ever competent Gove has seen through? The Gove who only wants to leave because joining the EU lost his dad his job
So a dropdown list which shows ... No results is your evidence
The argument from above was around exports (which I showed is decreasing).
For goods - find one country that is paying a tariff within our continent.
Don't show me a drop down bar with no results - give me evidence.
There are no trade tariffs
For the record not one single economic forecast backs the leave campaign. Not one single financial, political or educational body says it will benefit the UK
-----
Leave campaigners have "hope" though.
And those arguing about EU being our biggest exports should probably look at the fact that 12 years ago we exported 55% of goods and services to the EU. It's now at 44% and falling
----------
What's the point arguing when your fact proves that it is still our biggest export market?
------
It's in decline mate because the EU is in decline.
It's still falling. If the trend continues we'll decrease 10% of exports to EU every decade.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 2 minutes ago
So a dropdown list which shows ... No results is your evidence
The argument from above was around exports (which I showed is decreasing).
For goods - find one country that is paying a tariff within our continent.
Don't show me a drop down bar with no results - give me evidence.
There are no trade tariffs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The argument is about so much more than exports. I don't think you really understand. The pound has already lost a lot of value because of the referendum. It will lose another 20% of its value if we leave. This means that everyone wil be poorer, there will be high inflation and there will be job losses, and that doesn't count ones directly related to the EU
This is just one factor
So you couldn't find any.
Brilliant
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 50 seconds ago
And those arguing about EU being our biggest exports should probably look at the fact that 12 years ago we exported 55% of goods and services to the EU. It's now at 44% and falling
----------
What's the point arguing when your fact proves that it is still our biggest export market?
------
It's in decline mate because the EU is in decline.
It's still falling. If the trend continues we'll decrease 10% of exports to EU every decade.
-------
Are you for real?
The % of exports to the EU are shown as a proportion of our total exports.
work with me here, if our total global export value grows, however the value of the EU exports stays the same it will by default show a reduced proportion.
If you can show absolute $/£/€ value of exports decreasing you may have a point.
For the record, the U.K. has shown strong global export growth in no short part due to the automotive industry, particularly Jaguar Land Rover.
The supply chain for automotive manufacturers is vast and wide ranging across the EU.
You need to take the time to review what tariffs and charges might have on the UK automotive sector.
Your comments are absolute vote leave hogwash without context.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 9 minutes ago
So you couldn't find any.
Brilliant
----------
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notice-812-european-community-preferences-trade-with-turkey/notice-812-european-community-preferences-trade-with-turkey
An excerpt from which :
</b> 3.8 Do tariff quotas affect imports from Turkey?
Yes. Tariff quotas still apply on some commodity codes, mainly agricultural products.
Sorry, it's another dumbass leave campaign piece of misinformation that has to be called out.
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 41 minutes ago
So you couldn't find any.
Brilliant
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stick those fingers in your ears. Won't help you when the country is in turmoil if we vote leave
The argument is about so much more than exports. I don't think you really understand. The pound has already lost a lot of value because of the referendum. It will lose another 20% of its value if we leave. This means that everyone wil be poorer, there will be high inflation and there will be job losses, and that doesn't count ones directly related to the EU
that's speculative at best, and just plain wrong at worst.
firstly, there's absolutely no way to quantify any post-vote percentage drop in the value of the pound at this point. some devaluation against other currencies will have already occurred, and will continue up to the vote, a leave vote will have already been largely factored into the exchange rates by then, there would not necessarily be another large drop in value.
secondly, assuming there is a large drop in the value of sterling, that would make british made goods far more attractive to price based british consumers than European goods, aiding our struggling manufacturing base, making our exports more attractive to other countries, therefore creating jobs, not losing them. and giving a much needed boost to our balance of payments.
as for all this better together malarkey. the eu, eec, common market, whatever people want to call it, is not co-operation to improve everything for Europeans, it was never designed as such, it was initially started as a way to expand the energy/fuel/coal/metals markets across the major European countries to prevent one country (Germany) having control of the markets for the resources required to wage war.
the EU was designed from the start for subjugation, not freedom. it's just that the most powerful country in the eu now is the one it was supposed to be subjugating.
and no, there is no democratic Europe, yes, we can vote for the eu ministers, the parliament, but they don't create the laws, the commission does, and there's not one member of the general public in Europe who can vote for any of the members of that.
as for Europe being bigger, getting better trade deals with countries outside Europe than we could alone, we could already have several very lucrative trade deals in place on our own, but we're prevented from doing so by Europe, one of them, with Canada, Europe's own deal with Canada is currently being held up by (vetoed) by a completely unrelated argument about Romanian visa's. WTF? why should that be blocking any trade deal?
and everything's going to be fair in Europe? nope. ask Greece. ask spain. ask Italy. again all being subjugated and forced into austerity by the richer northern countries.
in the first years of the euro, every country had the same fiscal rules, france and Germany broke them every year. no penalties. spain and Italy stuck to the rules. post financial collapse. private sector debt got the banks into trouble, not the governments, spain and Italy broke the fiscal limits to try saving their banking systems. france and Germany imposed penalties on them, and forced them into austerity budgets.
Greece is now being forced to privatise damn near everything, which will likely be bought up by german and French utility companies. they'll basically own Greece's infrastructure at wholesale prices, and still force Greece to pay them for it.
none of the financial problems we've seen over the last 8-10 years have been fixed, all they've done is paper over the cracks, and kicked the can down the road, give themselves a year/18 months breathing space, and then kick it again.
the fundamental problems with the euro, a single interest rate across disparate markets, the emasculation of sovereign central banks, but keeping sovereign bonds, and debts. the disparity between the northern members and the southern members. the fundamental weakness of the French and Italian banks. it's all still there waiting to blow up. for all their talking, and can kicking, they've not solved a single problem yet.
the Eurozone, the EEC, EU is broken. it's a nice idea, and if done properly would be great, but it's current incarnation is not fit for purpose. the rising anti-eu sentiment across ALL of Europe is indicative of the increasing disillusionment of the populace with those in control, who will not listen to the populous, who have no desire or will, or too many vested interests, to see it be reformed into something useful.
i'm not anti-Europe, as I said, I think it's actually a good idea, but as it is, it doesn't work, and they won't change it, as such, they're leaving very little option but to see it torn down.
maybe it can be done properly in future, but I'm not holding out much hope for that.
comment by 19th title coming soon. (U12879)
posted 3 minutes ago
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I don't particularly agree with any of your points, but even if they were wholly accurate none of them are reasons for the UK to leave the EU.
Also as much as people are trying to pretend there's an economic case for Brexit, we all know full well that the whole debate is all about immigration. The refugee crisis is what has caused such right wing sentiment across europe, not the EU. Immigration is the only thing that the brexit campaign can focus on and not get hammered, which is surprising really, as they can't reduce the number of immigrants coming here, and their proposed solutions wouldn't work
some devaluation against other currencies will have already occurred, and will continue up to the vote, a leave vote will have already been largely factored into the exchange rates by then
-------
So in short, remaining in will give the £ a bounce straight off, that's what you're arguing?
secondly, assuming there is a large drop in the value of sterling, that would make british made goods far more attractive to price based british consumers than European goods, aiding our struggling manufacturing base, making our exports more attractive to other countries, therefore creating jobs, not losing them. and giving a much needed boost to our balance of payments.
------------
This is just plain wrong - as you're assuming that allllll the things we purchase from Europe have a like for like replacement in the UK.
Also, it doesn't take into account the inputs our manufacturing industries take in from Europe for final assembly in the Uk - these will end up costing more as the cost of inputs would be higher (£v&euro
Also, take into account tariffs on UK exports to the EU and our largest trading partner (the EU) will find our products more expensive reducing demand for them and the manufacture of them.
I'm voting out and I'm not explaining why because it's been done to death on here.
Brennie,
YOU might think it's all about immigration. and maybe the majority of the country does too.
that does not mean 'we all know full well that the whole debate is all about immigration'
for me, it's nothing to do with immigration, I have no problems with anyone from Europe coming to live/work here.
for me, the problems are the eu appears to be incapable of reforming or improving itself, or of taking an action to solve any of the political, structural, or financial issues it encounters.
it seems to be pathologically opposed to listening to, or implementing anything that is actually wanted by its populace.
and if we vote to stay in, for all our politicians grandstanding about keeping the pound, we are going to end up being shoe-horned into the euro at some point. and for me the Euro is a fundamentally broken, institutionally unfair currency, the perfect symbol of a fundamentally broken, undemocratic, fundamentally broken model of governance.
as for all this better together malarkey. the eu, eec, common market, whatever people want to call it, is not co-operation to improve everything for Europeans, it was never designed as such, it was initially started as a way to expand the energy/fuel/coal/metals markets across the major European countries to prevent one country (Germany) having control of the markets for the resources required to wage war.
the EU was designed from the start for subjugation, not freedom. it's just that the most powerful country in the eu now is the one it was supposed to be subjugating.
-----------------
What a load of sceptical nonsense.
If the EU was designed to subjugate one particular country, how the heck has that country surpassed all others in terms of economic growth?
Surely those that were supposed to benefit should have grown stronger faster than Germany.
Also as Germany has grown as powerful economically as it has, it shows that the EU does work in promoting economic growth!!!
I'm in, a Tory government led by Cameron is bad enough. Could there be anything more horrendous than a Tory Government led by Boris Johnson with Farage as a sidekick.
Poor governance has cost Greece,Italy and Spain, and will cost France.
Extreme socialist programmes and lack of adaptability has taken their toll on those countries.
Germany has payment terms of 30days generally, sometimes less, 14days on contract invoices.
Spain is usually 90 days, Italy 120 days - this is absolutely key in why some economies prosper, the faster money can be paid, spent, invested and spent again leads to a faster growing economy.
Those with onerous payment terms restricts the circular flow of income model, which slows internal machinations resulting in a reduction of organic growth in an economy.
comment by Brennie Babes (U8994)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by 19th title coming soon. (U12879)
posted 3 minutes ago
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I don't particularly agree with any of your points, but even if they were wholly accurate none of them are reasons for the UK to leave the EU.
Also as much as people are trying to pretend there's an economic case for Brexit, we all know full well that the whole debate is all about immigration. The refugee crisis is what has caused such right wing sentiment across europe, not the EU. Immigration is the only thing that the brexit campaign can focus on and not get hammered, which is surprising really, as they can't reduce the number of immigrants coming here, and their proposed solutions wouldn't work
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I'll state this up front - I'm voting to stay in.
However, the focus on immigration both from those that support exit and those that try to belittle it really irritates me.
There actually is a case for exit and it's not immigration focused. It should be about the trade opportunities that freedom gives us and what the sacrifices would be. The economic benefits of freedom of movement and how exit would impact that.
To me this debate hasn't really been had in public. Those that want to know more can research it but the argument portrayed (as far as I can see) is largely immigration. Not the whole story.
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posted on 4/6/16
There aren't any tariffs on our trade with the EU at the moment, want to hazard a guess why?
Yes, that's right, we are in the EU.
----
Wow
Tell everyone about the tariffs that non EU members are paying then.
The stage is yours
posted on 4/6/16
And those arguing about EU being our biggest exports should probably look at the fact that 12 years ago we exported 55% of goods and services to the EU. It's now at 44% and falling
----------
What's the point arguing when your fact proves that it is still our biggest export market?
posted on 4/6/16
Metro, here you go..
http://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.htm
You don't need individual product codes, just have a look at the drop down.
Countries; Iceland and Turkey are in the drop down, UK isn't.
Ergo there are trade tariffs on Iceland and Turkey but not on the UK.
Why? Because the UK is in the UK.
So will you kindly bore off with your misinformation?
Cheers
posted on 4/6/16
*Why? Because the UK is in the EU
posted on 4/6/16
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 2 minutes ago
The remain campaign has been based on facts, statistics and informed opinion
----
Facts? Statistics?
They're guesses pal - and ones I wouldn't be too confident of.
Afterall, these 'informed' people you speak of also backed us to join the Euro and we all know how that one worked out.
The people you're likely referring to stand to make big money if the common men like yourself fight their battles. They're buzzing on you because you don't get the benefit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see you've fallen for the brexit 'we're looking out for the people' rhetoric. The leave campaign is funded by extremely wealthy brits that will benefit from leaving the eu due to reduced competition. It's not for the common man, it's for the elites that Gove keeps trying to claim run the EU.
Somehow boris, farage and gove have convinced people that will lose the most that they stand to gain the most. It's quite sad.
For the record not one single economic forecast backs the leave campaign. Not one single financial, political or educational body says it will benefit the UK. Are tey all wrong? IS it one big conspiracy that the ever competent Gove has seen through? The Gove who only wants to leave because joining the EU lost his dad his job
posted on 4/6/16
So a dropdown list which shows ... No results is your evidence
The argument from above was around exports (which I showed is decreasing).
For goods - find one country that is paying a tariff within our continent.
Don't show me a drop down bar with no results - give me evidence.
There are no trade tariffs
posted on 4/6/16
For the record not one single economic forecast backs the leave campaign. Not one single financial, political or educational body says it will benefit the UK
-----
Leave campaigners have "hope" though.
posted on 4/6/16
And those arguing about EU being our biggest exports should probably look at the fact that 12 years ago we exported 55% of goods and services to the EU. It's now at 44% and falling
----------
What's the point arguing when your fact proves that it is still our biggest export market?
------
It's in decline mate because the EU is in decline.
It's still falling. If the trend continues we'll decrease 10% of exports to EU every decade.
posted on 4/6/16
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 2 minutes ago
So a dropdown list which shows ... No results is your evidence
The argument from above was around exports (which I showed is decreasing).
For goods - find one country that is paying a tariff within our continent.
Don't show me a drop down bar with no results - give me evidence.
There are no trade tariffs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The argument is about so much more than exports. I don't think you really understand. The pound has already lost a lot of value because of the referendum. It will lose another 20% of its value if we leave. This means that everyone wil be poorer, there will be high inflation and there will be job losses, and that doesn't count ones directly related to the EU
This is just one factor
posted on 4/6/16
So you couldn't find any.
Brilliant
posted on 4/6/16
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 50 seconds ago
And those arguing about EU being our biggest exports should probably look at the fact that 12 years ago we exported 55% of goods and services to the EU. It's now at 44% and falling
----------
What's the point arguing when your fact proves that it is still our biggest export market?
------
It's in decline mate because the EU is in decline.
It's still falling. If the trend continues we'll decrease 10% of exports to EU every decade.
-------
Are you for real?
The % of exports to the EU are shown as a proportion of our total exports.
work with me here, if our total global export value grows, however the value of the EU exports stays the same it will by default show a reduced proportion.
If you can show absolute $/£/€ value of exports decreasing you may have a point.
For the record, the U.K. has shown strong global export growth in no short part due to the automotive industry, particularly Jaguar Land Rover.
The supply chain for automotive manufacturers is vast and wide ranging across the EU.
You need to take the time to review what tariffs and charges might have on the UK automotive sector.
Your comments are absolute vote leave hogwash without context.
posted on 4/6/16
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 9 minutes ago
So you couldn't find any.
Brilliant
----------
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notice-812-european-community-preferences-trade-with-turkey/notice-812-european-community-preferences-trade-with-turkey
An excerpt from which :
</b> 3.8 Do tariff quotas affect imports from Turkey?
Yes. Tariff quotas still apply on some commodity codes, mainly agricultural products.
posted on 4/6/16
Sorry, it's another dumbass leave campaign piece of misinformation that has to be called out.
posted on 4/6/16
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posted on 4/6/16
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 41 minutes ago
So you couldn't find any.
Brilliant
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stick those fingers in your ears. Won't help you when the country is in turmoil if we vote leave
posted on 4/6/16
The argument is about so much more than exports. I don't think you really understand. The pound has already lost a lot of value because of the referendum. It will lose another 20% of its value if we leave. This means that everyone wil be poorer, there will be high inflation and there will be job losses, and that doesn't count ones directly related to the EU
that's speculative at best, and just plain wrong at worst.
firstly, there's absolutely no way to quantify any post-vote percentage drop in the value of the pound at this point. some devaluation against other currencies will have already occurred, and will continue up to the vote, a leave vote will have already been largely factored into the exchange rates by then, there would not necessarily be another large drop in value.
secondly, assuming there is a large drop in the value of sterling, that would make british made goods far more attractive to price based british consumers than European goods, aiding our struggling manufacturing base, making our exports more attractive to other countries, therefore creating jobs, not losing them. and giving a much needed boost to our balance of payments.
as for all this better together malarkey. the eu, eec, common market, whatever people want to call it, is not co-operation to improve everything for Europeans, it was never designed as such, it was initially started as a way to expand the energy/fuel/coal/metals markets across the major European countries to prevent one country (Germany) having control of the markets for the resources required to wage war.
the EU was designed from the start for subjugation, not freedom. it's just that the most powerful country in the eu now is the one it was supposed to be subjugating.
and no, there is no democratic Europe, yes, we can vote for the eu ministers, the parliament, but they don't create the laws, the commission does, and there's not one member of the general public in Europe who can vote for any of the members of that.
as for Europe being bigger, getting better trade deals with countries outside Europe than we could alone, we could already have several very lucrative trade deals in place on our own, but we're prevented from doing so by Europe, one of them, with Canada, Europe's own deal with Canada is currently being held up by (vetoed) by a completely unrelated argument about Romanian visa's. WTF? why should that be blocking any trade deal?
and everything's going to be fair in Europe? nope. ask Greece. ask spain. ask Italy. again all being subjugated and forced into austerity by the richer northern countries.
in the first years of the euro, every country had the same fiscal rules, france and Germany broke them every year. no penalties. spain and Italy stuck to the rules. post financial collapse. private sector debt got the banks into trouble, not the governments, spain and Italy broke the fiscal limits to try saving their banking systems. france and Germany imposed penalties on them, and forced them into austerity budgets.
Greece is now being forced to privatise damn near everything, which will likely be bought up by german and French utility companies. they'll basically own Greece's infrastructure at wholesale prices, and still force Greece to pay them for it.
none of the financial problems we've seen over the last 8-10 years have been fixed, all they've done is paper over the cracks, and kicked the can down the road, give themselves a year/18 months breathing space, and then kick it again.
the fundamental problems with the euro, a single interest rate across disparate markets, the emasculation of sovereign central banks, but keeping sovereign bonds, and debts. the disparity between the northern members and the southern members. the fundamental weakness of the French and Italian banks. it's all still there waiting to blow up. for all their talking, and can kicking, they've not solved a single problem yet.
the Eurozone, the EEC, EU is broken. it's a nice idea, and if done properly would be great, but it's current incarnation is not fit for purpose. the rising anti-eu sentiment across ALL of Europe is indicative of the increasing disillusionment of the populace with those in control, who will not listen to the populous, who have no desire or will, or too many vested interests, to see it be reformed into something useful.
i'm not anti-Europe, as I said, I think it's actually a good idea, but as it is, it doesn't work, and they won't change it, as such, they're leaving very little option but to see it torn down.
maybe it can be done properly in future, but I'm not holding out much hope for that.
posted on 4/6/16
comment by 19th title coming soon. (U12879)
posted 3 minutes ago
----------------------
I don't particularly agree with any of your points, but even if they were wholly accurate none of them are reasons for the UK to leave the EU.
Also as much as people are trying to pretend there's an economic case for Brexit, we all know full well that the whole debate is all about immigration. The refugee crisis is what has caused such right wing sentiment across europe, not the EU. Immigration is the only thing that the brexit campaign can focus on and not get hammered, which is surprising really, as they can't reduce the number of immigrants coming here, and their proposed solutions wouldn't work
posted on 4/6/16
some devaluation against other currencies will have already occurred, and will continue up to the vote, a leave vote will have already been largely factored into the exchange rates by then
-------
So in short, remaining in will give the £ a bounce straight off, that's what you're arguing?
posted on 4/6/16
secondly, assuming there is a large drop in the value of sterling, that would make british made goods far more attractive to price based british consumers than European goods, aiding our struggling manufacturing base, making our exports more attractive to other countries, therefore creating jobs, not losing them. and giving a much needed boost to our balance of payments.
------------
This is just plain wrong - as you're assuming that allllll the things we purchase from Europe have a like for like replacement in the UK.
Also, it doesn't take into account the inputs our manufacturing industries take in from Europe for final assembly in the Uk - these will end up costing more as the cost of inputs would be higher (£v&euro
Also, take into account tariffs on UK exports to the EU and our largest trading partner (the EU) will find our products more expensive reducing demand for them and the manufacture of them.
posted on 4/6/16
I'm voting out and I'm not explaining why because it's been done to death on here.
posted on 4/6/16
Brennie,
YOU might think it's all about immigration. and maybe the majority of the country does too.
that does not mean 'we all know full well that the whole debate is all about immigration'
for me, it's nothing to do with immigration, I have no problems with anyone from Europe coming to live/work here.
for me, the problems are the eu appears to be incapable of reforming or improving itself, or of taking an action to solve any of the political, structural, or financial issues it encounters.
it seems to be pathologically opposed to listening to, or implementing anything that is actually wanted by its populace.
and if we vote to stay in, for all our politicians grandstanding about keeping the pound, we are going to end up being shoe-horned into the euro at some point. and for me the Euro is a fundamentally broken, institutionally unfair currency, the perfect symbol of a fundamentally broken, undemocratic, fundamentally broken model of governance.
posted on 4/6/16
as for all this better together malarkey. the eu, eec, common market, whatever people want to call it, is not co-operation to improve everything for Europeans, it was never designed as such, it was initially started as a way to expand the energy/fuel/coal/metals markets across the major European countries to prevent one country (Germany) having control of the markets for the resources required to wage war.
the EU was designed from the start for subjugation, not freedom. it's just that the most powerful country in the eu now is the one it was supposed to be subjugating.
-----------------
What a load of sceptical nonsense.
If the EU was designed to subjugate one particular country, how the heck has that country surpassed all others in terms of economic growth?
Surely those that were supposed to benefit should have grown stronger faster than Germany.
Also as Germany has grown as powerful economically as it has, it shows that the EU does work in promoting economic growth!!!
posted on 4/6/16
I'm in, a Tory government led by Cameron is bad enough. Could there be anything more horrendous than a Tory Government led by Boris Johnson with Farage as a sidekick.
posted on 4/6/16
Poor governance has cost Greece,Italy and Spain, and will cost France.
Extreme socialist programmes and lack of adaptability has taken their toll on those countries.
Germany has payment terms of 30days generally, sometimes less, 14days on contract invoices.
Spain is usually 90 days, Italy 120 days - this is absolutely key in why some economies prosper, the faster money can be paid, spent, invested and spent again leads to a faster growing economy.
Those with onerous payment terms restricts the circular flow of income model, which slows internal machinations resulting in a reduction of organic growth in an economy.
posted on 4/6/16
comment by Brennie Babes (U8994)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by 19th title coming soon. (U12879)
posted 3 minutes ago
----------------------
I don't particularly agree with any of your points, but even if they were wholly accurate none of them are reasons for the UK to leave the EU.
Also as much as people are trying to pretend there's an economic case for Brexit, we all know full well that the whole debate is all about immigration. The refugee crisis is what has caused such right wing sentiment across europe, not the EU. Immigration is the only thing that the brexit campaign can focus on and not get hammered, which is surprising really, as they can't reduce the number of immigrants coming here, and their proposed solutions wouldn't work
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'll state this up front - I'm voting to stay in.
However, the focus on immigration both from those that support exit and those that try to belittle it really irritates me.
There actually is a case for exit and it's not immigration focused. It should be about the trade opportunities that freedom gives us and what the sacrifices would be. The economic benefits of freedom of movement and how exit would impact that.
To me this debate hasn't really been had in public. Those that want to know more can research it but the argument portrayed (as far as I can see) is largely immigration. Not the whole story.
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