comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Swiss, Norway and Iceland are fine and smaller than us...the eu is a big business utopia, and tohell with the people.
Big world out there beyond Eu/ brussels.
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The Swiss and Norway have what we will end up with if the country votes to leave: access to the single market coupled with a non-negotiable freedom of movement of labour.
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Doubt it
The UK will have a much better deal. Border controls will be a must in any future deal if we leave
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Well that puts a kibosh on access to the single market, and I cannot see the current government or any future Labour government opting out of that.
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Another election will be called and it will be put into a manifesto.
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Do you think an election will be called if we vote to leave? It's a possibility, but would require a Tory civil war.
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Only if Boris and Gove can't control our borders. That's the biggest issue in the referendum
"I was also in Romania for about a month in 2014 and found it to be an absolutely wonderful place: welcoming people, beautiful countryside, and a strong and proud culture. I'd recommend a visit to anyone."
never suggested otherwise, I love the country. However, many of the people struggle make any kind of living.
"Just be careful on the roads..."
Ah yes, my first experience there jumping in a taxi, that was an interesting experience.
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
It's a possibility, but would require a Tory civil war.
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Not just a Tory civil war. The only way a general election can be called for is by a vote of no confidence in the current government. This can only be voted for by MPs and not the general public.
A vote of no confidence has successfully ousted the government 2 times in 90+ years. Once in 1924 & again 1979 and so is unlikely to succeed in the current climate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motions_of_no_confidence_in_the_United_Kingdom
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
It's a possibility, but would require a Tory civil war.
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Not just a Tory civil war. The only way a general election can be called for is by a vote of no confidence in the current government. This can only be voted for by MPs and not the general public.
A vote of no confidence has successfully ousted the government 2 times in 90+ years. Once in 1924 & again 1979 and so is unlikely to succeed in the current climate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motions_of_no_confidence_in_the_United_Kingdom
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SNP , Labour and Tory rebels will be enough
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 6 minutes ago
Only if Boris and Gove can't control our borders. That's the biggest issue in the referendum
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How exactly do Boris & Gove have any say on controlling our borders?
I am really interested on what power you think they have now or will have if we vote leave.
Surely you understand that this referendum WILL NOT change the government.
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 6 minutes ago
Only if Boris and Gove can't control our borders. That's the biggest issue in the referendum
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How exactly do Boris & Gove have any say on controlling our borders?
I am really interested on what power you think they have now or will have if we vote leave.
Surely you understand that this referendum WILL NOT change the government.
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If we leave then cameron will have to go.
Kung Fu
I have proven my 1 point with evidence. It is you that has ignored that and imstead come up with your own rather than providing a definition that differed from thr Collins dictionary definition I provided.
You have also tried to deflect the conversation onto ww2 (unsuccesfully)
And no don't see why it is dangerous for the Hungarian PM or any leader wanting to protect his countries identity from any religion or group of people. The guy hasn't said he doesn't like muslims. Again ,Ultra sensitive on the Islam /muslim thing.
And I have most certainly have not demonstrated double standards between whites and non whites. You have tried to interpret it that way however thr evidence is there to see. I believe despite his dislike for me, 52 has thr integrity to read this and provide an honest assessment of what I have said re this that travelled to the US.
52 - I'm not here to persuade anyone. I have provided definition which support my view
Neither you or kung fu have provided evidence to the he contrary.
You say the Syrians were not welcome in Roman abi, Serbia and Hungary. I have provided evidence that proves otherwise.
You raise an interesting point. Do you realise we have only accepted Syrian refugees from Syria rather than Syrian economic migrants from eastern Europe?
Britain is quite tightly welcoming of thousands of migrants and asylum seekers. We can't help.wveryone sadly.
Also if we stay , Tory rebels will block laws making Cameron a lame duck PM
Well if we don't need to persuade anybody then clearly I have won the debate. I have provided a definition of a refugee and nowhere does it say they have to settle in the first country they come to, and that if they don't their nomenclature changes.
The definition of an economic migrant makes no mention of someone fleeing, just it is somebody seeking a better life in a more affluent country.
Voilà.
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
It's a possibility, but would require a Tory civil war.
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Not just a Tory civil war. The only way a general election can be called for is by a vote of no confidence in the current government. This can only be voted for by MPs and not the general public.
A vote of no confidence has successfully ousted the government 2 times in 90+ years. Once in 1924 & again 1979 and so is unlikely to succeed in the current climate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motions_of_no_confidence_in_the_United_Kingdom
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SNP , Labour and Tory rebels will be enough
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SNP aren't going to go for that.
FFS they only got their seats in parliament as a protest against Labour during the last general election.
A vote of no confidence would indeed force a general election and SNP would lose most of their seats and with them would go their power. They aren't going to vote themselves off the gravy train and if you believe they would then you are delusional.
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
It's a possibility, but would require a Tory civil war.
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Not just a Tory civil war. The only way a general election can be called for is by a vote of no confidence in the current government. This can only be voted for by MPs and not the general public.
A vote of no confidence has successfully ousted the government 2 times in 90+ years. Once in 1924 & again 1979 and so is unlikely to succeed in the current climate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motions_of_no_confidence_in_the_United_Kingdom
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SNP , Labour and Tory rebels will be enough
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SNP aren't going to go for that.
FFS they only got their seats in parliament as a protest against Labour during the last general election.
A vote of no confidence would indeed force a general election and SNP would lose most of their seats and with them would go their power. They aren't going to vote themselves off the gravy train and if you believe they would then you are delusional.
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They will not support the tories in any way .
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 13 minutes ago
If we leave then cameron will have to go.
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Maybe, maybe not but the Tories would still be in power no matter what so nothing would really change.
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 12 minutes ago
Also if we stay , Tory rebels will block laws making Cameron a lame duck PM
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Really. Do you have a direct line to the future which enables you to see how each Tory MP will vote on whatever policies come up?
Please give me some insider info. I could put a bet on and win shіt loads of money then I can retire and move to somewhere sunny.
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 11 minutes ago
SNP , Labour and Tory rebels will be enough
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SNP aren't going to go for that.
FFS they only got their seats in parliament as a protest against Labour during the last general election.
A vote of no confidence would indeed force a general election and SNP would lose most of their seats and with them would go their power. They aren't going to vote themselves off the gravy train and if you believe they would then you are delusional.
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They will not support the tories in any way .
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OK so SNP will abstain.
That leaves Labour and Tory rebels to put forward a 'motion of no confidence' which gives Cameron and his supporters 14 days to rally for a 'vote of confidence'.
The thing is NO MP is going to be willing to give up his or her chance of being 'in government' by forcing a general election and possibly losing out to the opposition. Again the lure of power is too great for their egos to allow them to throw away what they have.
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 12 minutes ago
Also if we stay , Tory rebels will block laws making Cameron a lame duck PM
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Really. Do you have a direct line to the future which enables you to see how each Tory MP will vote on whatever policies come up?
Please give me some insider info. I could put a bet on and win shіt loads of money then I can retire and move to somewhere sunny.
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When Davis Davis says that at least 20 MPs will rebel against Cameron then clearly some truth is in it.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 33 minutes ago
The Swiss, Norway and Iceland are fine and smaller than us...the eu is a big business utopia, and tohell with the people.
Big world out there beyond Eu/ brussels.
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We only have the 5th largest economy in the world, we're fecked if we leave.
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You realise that is mostly the banking sector, right?
Manufacturing is 11% of our economy. Can you point to a country on this planet without an industrial complex that can thrive with the size of population we have?
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Swiss, Norway and Iceland are fine and smaller than us...the eu is a big business utopia, and tohell with the people.
Big world out there beyond Eu/ brussels.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Swiss and Norway have what we will end up with if the country votes to leave: access to the single market coupled with a non-negotiable freedom of movement of labour.
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Doubt it
The UK will have a much better deal. Border controls will be a must in any future deal if we leave
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What makes you think the organisation you have abused and called all kind of names and tried to destroy by leaving will give you a favourable deal?
Who are these people?
So many deluded people in this country.
You say I do not want to be a part of the EU but I want to continue to trade with you and I will do so as I like.
You guys crack me up
Citigroup has moved to Ireland, Agricultural sector is finished if we leave and then the fun begins.
I can hardly wait.
The hatred of people who are working hard in your country will lead to the destruction of said country.
Oh, this is going to be so much fun.
Cannot wait for when the other EU nations start sending the millions of Brits back to their country.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
Cannot wait for when the other EU nations start sending the millions of Brits back to their country.
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I honestly don't think it will work quite like that. What I do expect to happen is:
Expat Brits will have to become nationalized citizens of their adopted country (at a cost to themselves) otherwise.
They will have to foot the bill for their healthcare in their adopted country (this will include any family members visiting them).
They will have to make provision for their pensions as they will not get any assistance from their adopted country.
They will not be eligible for any form of welfare benefits in their adopted country.
Their EHIC (E111) Euro health card will possibly not be valid and will have to be renewed if and when UK becomes a member of European Economic Area (EEA).
These are a few possible (but likely) outcomes for Expat Brits if we vote to leave the EU.
52 - where is the definition you have provided and who's is it?
No it doesn't say they have to remain in the first country they enter. It also doesn't say a refugee cannot become an economic migrant. What it DOES say is a refugee is someone who is forced to leave to escape war. They ARENT leaving Romania, Hungary or Serbia to escape war.
They ARE leaving this countries to reach more affluent countries for a better standard of life. Which fits the exavt criteria of an economic migrant.
Which part of this do you disagree with ?
They are leaving Romania, Hungary and Serbia to escape persecution you numpty.
Did you not read the comments posted here by the Hungarian president?
1. White people refugees
2. Brown people economic migrants
Every day and in every way, you provide us with further insight into your personality
And no don't see why it is dangerous for the Hungarian PM or any leader wanting to protect his countries identity from any religion or group of people. The guy hasn't said he doesn't like muslims.
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I agree, what is wrong with holding on to your cultural and religious identity?
Collins dictionary.
Refugee. Somebody who is forced to leave their home through war or political or religious persecution.
Nothing about where they have to stay.
Collins dictionary.
Economic migrant. A person who moves from one region, place or country to improve his or her standard of living.
Nothing about being scared of being killed.
If I move to the States to improve my lot I'm an economic migrant.
If the government starts persecuting people who are Christian I'm a refugee.
As I say the terminology is important, people don't like being seen to not want refugees, but are happy to see economic migrants denied entry.
Finally, for me anyway, I don't think many people want open borders, I certainly don't. I would like the government to make provision for genuine refugees, but not change their name so they can be kept out.
There is a whole lot more we could be doing to integrate the people who arrive, help with language and jobs etc.
Benefits should only be payed to people who have paid something into the system, however small barring illness. Including UK citizens
People arriving as refugees should be given enough to get them on their feet and no more
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
So many deluded people in this country.
You say I do not want to be a part of the EU but I want to continue to trade with you and I will do so as I like.
You guys crack me up
Citigroup has moved to Ireland, Agricultural sector is finished if we leave and then the fun begins.
I can hardly wait.
The hatred of people who are working hard in your country will lead to the destruction of said country.
Oh, this is going to be so much fun.
Cannot wait for when the other EU nations start sending the millions of Brits back to their country.
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You do realise that condescending comments like this don't help people to see your viewpoint? Unless of course you're purely motivated by one-upmanship, in which case well done you.
I'm voting remain, but I can't say with certainty that I'm making the correct decision for future generations as there are too many variables involved.
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posted on 21/6/16
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Swiss, Norway and Iceland are fine and smaller than us...the eu is a big business utopia, and tohell with the people.
Big world out there beyond Eu/ brussels.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Swiss and Norway have what we will end up with if the country votes to leave: access to the single market coupled with a non-negotiable freedom of movement of labour.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doubt it
The UK will have a much better deal. Border controls will be a must in any future deal if we leave
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Well that puts a kibosh on access to the single market, and I cannot see the current government or any future Labour government opting out of that.
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Another election will be called and it will be put into a manifesto.
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Do you think an election will be called if we vote to leave? It's a possibility, but would require a Tory civil war.
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Only if Boris and Gove can't control our borders. That's the biggest issue in the referendum
posted on 21/6/16
"I was also in Romania for about a month in 2014 and found it to be an absolutely wonderful place: welcoming people, beautiful countryside, and a strong and proud culture. I'd recommend a visit to anyone."
never suggested otherwise, I love the country. However, many of the people struggle make any kind of living.
"Just be careful on the roads..."
Ah yes, my first experience there jumping in a taxi, that was an interesting experience.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
It's a possibility, but would require a Tory civil war.
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Not just a Tory civil war. The only way a general election can be called for is by a vote of no confidence in the current government. This can only be voted for by MPs and not the general public.
A vote of no confidence has successfully ousted the government 2 times in 90+ years. Once in 1924 & again 1979 and so is unlikely to succeed in the current climate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motions_of_no_confidence_in_the_United_Kingdom
posted on 21/6/16
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
It's a possibility, but would require a Tory civil war.
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Not just a Tory civil war. The only way a general election can be called for is by a vote of no confidence in the current government. This can only be voted for by MPs and not the general public.
A vote of no confidence has successfully ousted the government 2 times in 90+ years. Once in 1924 & again 1979 and so is unlikely to succeed in the current climate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motions_of_no_confidence_in_the_United_Kingdom
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SNP , Labour and Tory rebels will be enough
posted on 21/6/16
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 6 minutes ago
Only if Boris and Gove can't control our borders. That's the biggest issue in the referendum
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How exactly do Boris & Gove have any say on controlling our borders?
I am really interested on what power you think they have now or will have if we vote leave.
Surely you understand that this referendum WILL NOT change the government.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 6 minutes ago
Only if Boris and Gove can't control our borders. That's the biggest issue in the referendum
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How exactly do Boris & Gove have any say on controlling our borders?
I am really interested on what power you think they have now or will have if we vote leave.
Surely you understand that this referendum WILL NOT change the government.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If we leave then cameron will have to go.
posted on 21/6/16
Kung Fu
I have proven my 1 point with evidence. It is you that has ignored that and imstead come up with your own rather than providing a definition that differed from thr Collins dictionary definition I provided.
You have also tried to deflect the conversation onto ww2 (unsuccesfully)
And no don't see why it is dangerous for the Hungarian PM or any leader wanting to protect his countries identity from any religion or group of people. The guy hasn't said he doesn't like muslims. Again ,Ultra sensitive on the Islam /muslim thing.
And I have most certainly have not demonstrated double standards between whites and non whites. You have tried to interpret it that way however thr evidence is there to see. I believe despite his dislike for me, 52 has thr integrity to read this and provide an honest assessment of what I have said re this that travelled to the US.
52 - I'm not here to persuade anyone. I have provided definition which support my view
Neither you or kung fu have provided evidence to the he contrary.
You say the Syrians were not welcome in Roman abi, Serbia and Hungary. I have provided evidence that proves otherwise.
You raise an interesting point. Do you realise we have only accepted Syrian refugees from Syria rather than Syrian economic migrants from eastern Europe?
Britain is quite tightly welcoming of thousands of migrants and asylum seekers. We can't help.wveryone sadly.
posted on 21/6/16
Also if we stay , Tory rebels will block laws making Cameron a lame duck PM
posted on 21/6/16
Well if we don't need to persuade anybody then clearly I have won the debate. I have provided a definition of a refugee and nowhere does it say they have to settle in the first country they come to, and that if they don't their nomenclature changes.
The definition of an economic migrant makes no mention of someone fleeing, just it is somebody seeking a better life in a more affluent country.
Voilà.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
It's a possibility, but would require a Tory civil war.
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Not just a Tory civil war. The only way a general election can be called for is by a vote of no confidence in the current government. This can only be voted for by MPs and not the general public.
A vote of no confidence has successfully ousted the government 2 times in 90+ years. Once in 1924 & again 1979 and so is unlikely to succeed in the current climate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motions_of_no_confidence_in_the_United_Kingdom
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SNP , Labour and Tory rebels will be enough
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SNP aren't going to go for that.
FFS they only got their seats in parliament as a protest against Labour during the last general election.
A vote of no confidence would indeed force a general election and SNP would lose most of their seats and with them would go their power. They aren't going to vote themselves off the gravy train and if you believe they would then you are delusional.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
It's a possibility, but would require a Tory civil war.
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Not just a Tory civil war. The only way a general election can be called for is by a vote of no confidence in the current government. This can only be voted for by MPs and not the general public.
A vote of no confidence has successfully ousted the government 2 times in 90+ years. Once in 1924 & again 1979 and so is unlikely to succeed in the current climate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motions_of_no_confidence_in_the_United_Kingdom
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SNP , Labour and Tory rebels will be enough
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SNP aren't going to go for that.
FFS they only got their seats in parliament as a protest against Labour during the last general election.
A vote of no confidence would indeed force a general election and SNP would lose most of their seats and with them would go their power. They aren't going to vote themselves off the gravy train and if you believe they would then you are delusional.
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They will not support the tories in any way .
posted on 21/6/16
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 13 minutes ago
If we leave then cameron will have to go.
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Maybe, maybe not but the Tories would still be in power no matter what so nothing would really change.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 12 minutes ago
Also if we stay , Tory rebels will block laws making Cameron a lame duck PM
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really. Do you have a direct line to the future which enables you to see how each Tory MP will vote on whatever policies come up?
Please give me some insider info. I could put a bet on and win shіt loads of money then I can retire and move to somewhere sunny.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 11 minutes ago
SNP , Labour and Tory rebels will be enough
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SNP aren't going to go for that.
FFS they only got their seats in parliament as a protest against Labour during the last general election.
A vote of no confidence would indeed force a general election and SNP would lose most of their seats and with them would go their power. They aren't going to vote themselves off the gravy train and if you believe they would then you are delusional.
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They will not support the tories in any way .
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OK so SNP will abstain.
That leaves Labour and Tory rebels to put forward a 'motion of no confidence' which gives Cameron and his supporters 14 days to rally for a 'vote of confidence'.
The thing is NO MP is going to be willing to give up his or her chance of being 'in government' by forcing a general election and possibly losing out to the opposition. Again the lure of power is too great for their egos to allow them to throw away what they have.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 12 minutes ago
Also if we stay , Tory rebels will block laws making Cameron a lame duck PM
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really. Do you have a direct line to the future which enables you to see how each Tory MP will vote on whatever policies come up?
Please give me some insider info. I could put a bet on and win shіt loads of money then I can retire and move to somewhere sunny.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When Davis Davis says that at least 20 MPs will rebel against Cameron then clearly some truth is in it.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 33 minutes ago
The Swiss, Norway and Iceland are fine and smaller than us...the eu is a big business utopia, and tohell with the people.
Big world out there beyond Eu/ brussels.
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We only have the 5th largest economy in the world, we're fecked if we leave.
============
You realise that is mostly the banking sector, right?
Manufacturing is 11% of our economy. Can you point to a country on this planet without an industrial complex that can thrive with the size of population we have?
posted on 21/6/16
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Swiss, Norway and Iceland are fine and smaller than us...the eu is a big business utopia, and tohell with the people.
Big world out there beyond Eu/ brussels.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Swiss and Norway have what we will end up with if the country votes to leave: access to the single market coupled with a non-negotiable freedom of movement of labour.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doubt it
The UK will have a much better deal. Border controls will be a must in any future deal if we leave
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What makes you think the organisation you have abused and called all kind of names and tried to destroy by leaving will give you a favourable deal?
Who are these people?
posted on 21/6/16
So many deluded people in this country.
You say I do not want to be a part of the EU but I want to continue to trade with you and I will do so as I like.
You guys crack me up
Citigroup has moved to Ireland, Agricultural sector is finished if we leave and then the fun begins.
I can hardly wait.
The hatred of people who are working hard in your country will lead to the destruction of said country.
Oh, this is going to be so much fun.
Cannot wait for when the other EU nations start sending the millions of Brits back to their country.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
Cannot wait for when the other EU nations start sending the millions of Brits back to their country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly don't think it will work quite like that. What I do expect to happen is:
Expat Brits will have to become nationalized citizens of their adopted country (at a cost to themselves) otherwise.
They will have to foot the bill for their healthcare in their adopted country (this will include any family members visiting them).
They will have to make provision for their pensions as they will not get any assistance from their adopted country.
They will not be eligible for any form of welfare benefits in their adopted country.
Their EHIC (E111) Euro health card will possibly not be valid and will have to be renewed if and when UK becomes a member of European Economic Area (EEA).
These are a few possible (but likely) outcomes for Expat Brits if we vote to leave the EU.
posted on 21/6/16
52 - where is the definition you have provided and who's is it?
No it doesn't say they have to remain in the first country they enter. It also doesn't say a refugee cannot become an economic migrant. What it DOES say is a refugee is someone who is forced to leave to escape war. They ARENT leaving Romania, Hungary or Serbia to escape war.
They ARE leaving this countries to reach more affluent countries for a better standard of life. Which fits the exavt criteria of an economic migrant.
Which part of this do you disagree with ?
posted on 21/6/16
They are leaving Romania, Hungary and Serbia to escape persecution you numpty.
Did you not read the comments posted here by the Hungarian president?
1. White people refugees
2. Brown people economic migrants
Every day and in every way, you provide us with further insight into your personality
posted on 21/6/16
And no don't see why it is dangerous for the Hungarian PM or any leader wanting to protect his countries identity from any religion or group of people. The guy hasn't said he doesn't like muslims.
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I agree, what is wrong with holding on to your cultural and religious identity?
posted on 21/6/16
Collins dictionary.
Refugee. Somebody who is forced to leave their home through war or political or religious persecution.
Nothing about where they have to stay.
posted on 21/6/16
Collins dictionary.
Economic migrant. A person who moves from one region, place or country to improve his or her standard of living.
Nothing about being scared of being killed.
If I move to the States to improve my lot I'm an economic migrant.
If the government starts persecuting people who are Christian I'm a refugee.
As I say the terminology is important, people don't like being seen to not want refugees, but are happy to see economic migrants denied entry.
Finally, for me anyway, I don't think many people want open borders, I certainly don't. I would like the government to make provision for genuine refugees, but not change their name so they can be kept out.
There is a whole lot more we could be doing to integrate the people who arrive, help with language and jobs etc.
Benefits should only be payed to people who have paid something into the system, however small barring illness. Including UK citizens
People arriving as refugees should be given enough to get them on their feet and no more
posted on 21/6/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
So many deluded people in this country.
You say I do not want to be a part of the EU but I want to continue to trade with you and I will do so as I like.
You guys crack me up
Citigroup has moved to Ireland, Agricultural sector is finished if we leave and then the fun begins.
I can hardly wait.
The hatred of people who are working hard in your country will lead to the destruction of said country.
Oh, this is going to be so much fun.
Cannot wait for when the other EU nations start sending the millions of Brits back to their country.
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You do realise that condescending comments like this don't help people to see your viewpoint? Unless of course you're purely motivated by one-upmanship, in which case well done you.
I'm voting remain, but I can't say with certainty that I'm making the correct decision for future generations as there are too many variables involved.
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