comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted about a minute ago
We already know as an established fact that the employment market is rigged in favour of Brits, so why can they not get a job?
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Eastern European businessman buys a restaurant franchise,don't employ locals tells them no vacancies
then staffs the business with young immigrants all living above the shop paying him rent out of their low wages,local kids can't compete if the were ever given a chance.
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Yh this is a problem
Some Asian restaurants do the same
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Would you like me to share the cases of companies positively discriminating in favour of Brits? Even the met?
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No companies should discriminate. Should be based on merit
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Agreed
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
do you think no buisnesses look abroad first Mud?
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Nope, are you asking serious questions now?
Why do these companies look abroad?
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you tell us mudd, you are the expert an anything people say you claim is stupid
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
Is it the system that's the problem if Jo Bloggs from Poland with no skills or training gets a job ahead if a UK citizen?
Would you not look at what the UK citizen is doing wrong to not get the job ahead of a less experienced candidate?
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I would possibly look at whether the employer is exploiting the immigrant by maybe offering him cash in hand. This is something we know happens to help drive down wages.
If the immigrant isn't being exploited then there is possibly something wrong with the UK citizen's approach in some way.
Or maybe the immigrant is willing to sign a zero hours contract for minimum wage whereas the UK citizen wants a skilled worker salary for doing an unskilled job.
There are lots of reasons why the immigrant may be employed instead of the more skilled UK citizen. It is not as simple as employ one over the other as lots of unknowns need to be factored in.
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
do you think no buisnesses look abroad first Mud?
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Nope, are you asking serious questions now?
Why do these companies look abroad?
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you tell us mudd, you are the expert an anything people say you claim is stupid
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Stage 1 initiated
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
Is it the system that's the problem if Jo Bloggs from Poland with no skills or training gets a job ahead if a UK citizen?
Would you not look at what the UK citizen is doing wrong to not get the job ahead of a less experienced candidate?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would possibly look at whether the employer is exploiting the immigrant by maybe offering him cash in hand. This is something we know happens to help drive down wages.
If the immigrant isn't being exploited then there is possibly something wrong with the UK citizen's approach in some way.
Or maybe the immigrant is willing to sign a zero hours contract for minimum wage whereas the UK citizen wants a skilled worker salary for doing an unskilled job.
There are lots of reasons why the immigrant may be employed instead of the more skilled UK citizen. It is not as simple as employ one over the other as lots of unknowns need to be factored in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the issue then is the laws and environment that makes this happen, right?
Who makes these laws?
British politicians for their mates in big business
I'm sorry, tax payer funded public services work.
.................
I see you have had to split between tax payer funded, and those that have to be supported by the tax payer when they don't work.
Why is that? I have no issues with tax payer funded things like the Military and the Police etc.
So, they get folk to blame the immigrants as opposed to the companies that control MPs.
It is tragic that some folk thing a tory govt out of the EU would not bend over backwards and lube themselves up to take more corporate D.
Look at the steel industry ffs. EU wants to protect British jobs, Cameron opens the door for Chinese steel
Meanwhile some clowns blame immigrants
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
I'm sorry, tax payer funded public services work.
.................
I see you have had to split between tax payer funded, and those that have to be supported by the tax payer when they don't work.
Why is that? I have no issues with tax payer funded things like the Military and the Police etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Should the tax payer have supported the banks in the US and the UK after the 2008 crash?
To be fair to Mudd, I've ended up sometimes arguing the opposite point to what I personally believe due to the stupidity of the argument put forward.
I've rarely seen leave voters mentioning valid reasons and concerns about the EU. Likewise, for some on the remain side it has turned into a utopian view due to the debates put forward.
A referendum of that scale though, it was always going to boil down to soundbytes due to the complexity and nuance involved. The vast majority of the debate though has been, for want of a better way to put it, stupid.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted less than a minute ago
To be fair to Mudd, I've ended up sometimes arguing the opposite point to what I personally believe due to the stupidity of the argument put forward.
I've rarely seen leave voters mentioning valid reasons and concerns about the EU. Likewise, for some on the remain side it has turned into a utopian view due to the debates put forward.
A referendum of that scale though, it was always going to boil down to soundbytes due to the complexity and nuance involved. The vast majority of the debate though has been, for want of a better way to put it, stupid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see Gold is at a high at the moment. If only we had some Gold Reserves to sell off when needed for a rainy day.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
I see Gold is at a high at the moment. If only we had some Gold Reserves to sell off when needed for a rainy day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If only ....
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
I see Gold is at a high at the moment. If only we had some Gold Reserves to sell off when needed for a rainy day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed, if only the banking sector was better regulated. I remember Davey boy was arguing for less regulation at the time
Should the tax payer have supported the banks in the US and the UK after the 2008 crash?
...............
No. But I fully understand why they did.
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
Is it the system that's the problem if Jo Bloggs from Poland with no skills or training gets a job ahead if a UK citizen?
Would you not look at what the UK citizen is doing wrong to not get the job ahead of a less experienced candidate?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would possibly look at whether the employer is exploiting the immigrant by maybe offering him cash in hand. This is something we know happens to help drive down wages.
If the immigrant isn't being exploited then there is possibly something wrong with the UK citizen's approach in some way.
Or maybe the immigrant is willing to sign a zero hours contract for minimum wage whereas the UK citizen wants a skilled worker salary for doing an unskilled job.
There are lots of reasons why the immigrant may be employed instead of the more skilled UK citizen. It is not as simple as employ one over the other as lots of unknowns need to be factored in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly. So is it an immigration issue a UK citizen being undercut in the job market by an EU citizen? Or is it an issue with employment law in this country?
Things like zero hour contracts and cash in hand work are the responsibility of our government to sort out.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
Should the tax payer have supported the banks in the US and the UK after the 2008 crash?
...............
No. But I fully understand why they did.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Me too, do you think it is fair for private profit making organisations to be dependent on the public purse?
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
Is it the system that's the problem if Jo Bloggs from Poland with no skills or training gets a job ahead if a UK citizen?
Would you not look at what the UK citizen is doing wrong to not get the job ahead of a less experienced candidate?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would possibly look at whether the employer is exploiting the immigrant by maybe offering him cash in hand. This is something we know happens to help drive down wages.
If the immigrant isn't being exploited then there is possibly something wrong with the UK citizen's approach in some way.
Or maybe the immigrant is willing to sign a zero hours contract for minimum wage whereas the UK citizen wants a skilled worker salary for doing an unskilled job.
There are lots of reasons why the immigrant may be employed instead of the more skilled UK citizen. It is not as simple as employ one over the other as lots of unknowns need to be factored in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly. So is it an immigration issue a UK citizen being undercut in the job market by an EU citizen? Or is it an issue with employment law in this country?
Things like zero hour contracts and cash in hand work are the responsibility of our government to sort out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you control cash in hand work?
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
Is it the system that's the problem if Jo Bloggs from Poland with no skills or training gets a job ahead if a UK citizen?
Would you not look at what the UK citizen is doing wrong to not get the job ahead of a less experienced candidate?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would possibly look at whether the employer is exploiting the immigrant by maybe offering him cash in hand. This is something we know happens to help drive down wages.
If the immigrant isn't being exploited then there is possibly something wrong with the UK citizen's approach in some way.
Or maybe the immigrant is willing to sign a zero hours contract for minimum wage whereas the UK citizen wants a skilled worker salary for doing an unskilled job.
There are lots of reasons why the immigrant may be employed instead of the more skilled UK citizen. It is not as simple as employ one over the other as lots of unknowns need to be factored in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly. So is it an immigration issue a UK citizen being undercut in the job market by an EU citizen? Or is it an issue with employment law in this country?
Things like zero hour contracts and cash in hand work are the responsibility of our government to sort out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nail on head.
The issue is not the immigrant the issues are the law and the corporations.
I remember Davey boy was arguing for less regulation at the time
...............
I doubt very much you had even heard of him back then. Nobody else had.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted about a minute ago
I see Gold is at a high at the moment. If only we had some Gold Reserves to sell off when needed for a rainy day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can thank Gordon Brown selli g our gold as chancellor to buy the elction for that. If we sold ot now it would more than pay off our wntire national debt.
How do you control cash in hand work?
=========
Depends on the scale
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
I remember Davey boy was arguing for less regulation at the time
...............
I doubt very much you had even heard of him back then. Nobody else had.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I knew who he was, we had met on a few occasions during discussions about energy policy if a tory govt won the elections.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted less than a minute ago
How do you control cash in hand work?
=========
Depends on the scale
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Its literally impossible
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted about a minute ago
I see Gold is at a high at the moment. If only we had some Gold Reserves to sell off when needed for a rainy day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can thank Gordon Brown selli g our gold as chancellor to buy the elction for that. If we sold ot now it would more than pay off our wntire national debt.
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Why was the gold sold off
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posted on 27/6/16
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted about a minute ago
We already know as an established fact that the employment market is rigged in favour of Brits, so why can they not get a job?
------------------
Eastern European businessman buys a restaurant franchise,don't employ locals tells them no vacancies
then staffs the business with young immigrants all living above the shop paying him rent out of their low wages,local kids can't compete if the were ever given a chance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yh this is a problem
Some Asian restaurants do the same
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you like me to share the cases of companies positively discriminating in favour of Brits? Even the met?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No companies should discriminate. Should be based on merit
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
posted on 27/6/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
do you think no buisnesses look abroad first Mud?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope, are you asking serious questions now?
Why do these companies look abroad?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you tell us mudd, you are the expert an anything people say you claim is stupid
posted on 27/6/16
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
Is it the system that's the problem if Jo Bloggs from Poland with no skills or training gets a job ahead if a UK citizen?
Would you not look at what the UK citizen is doing wrong to not get the job ahead of a less experienced candidate?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would possibly look at whether the employer is exploiting the immigrant by maybe offering him cash in hand. This is something we know happens to help drive down wages.
If the immigrant isn't being exploited then there is possibly something wrong with the UK citizen's approach in some way.
Or maybe the immigrant is willing to sign a zero hours contract for minimum wage whereas the UK citizen wants a skilled worker salary for doing an unskilled job.
There are lots of reasons why the immigrant may be employed instead of the more skilled UK citizen. It is not as simple as employ one over the other as lots of unknowns need to be factored in.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
do you think no buisnesses look abroad first Mud?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope, are you asking serious questions now?
Why do these companies look abroad?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you tell us mudd, you are the expert an anything people say you claim is stupid
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Stage 1 initiated
posted on 27/6/16
nothing, good
posted on 27/6/16
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
Is it the system that's the problem if Jo Bloggs from Poland with no skills or training gets a job ahead if a UK citizen?
Would you not look at what the UK citizen is doing wrong to not get the job ahead of a less experienced candidate?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would possibly look at whether the employer is exploiting the immigrant by maybe offering him cash in hand. This is something we know happens to help drive down wages.
If the immigrant isn't being exploited then there is possibly something wrong with the UK citizen's approach in some way.
Or maybe the immigrant is willing to sign a zero hours contract for minimum wage whereas the UK citizen wants a skilled worker salary for doing an unskilled job.
There are lots of reasons why the immigrant may be employed instead of the more skilled UK citizen. It is not as simple as employ one over the other as lots of unknowns need to be factored in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the issue then is the laws and environment that makes this happen, right?
Who makes these laws?
British politicians for their mates in big business
posted on 27/6/16
I'm sorry, tax payer funded public services work.
.................
I see you have had to split between tax payer funded, and those that have to be supported by the tax payer when they don't work.
Why is that? I have no issues with tax payer funded things like the Military and the Police etc.
posted on 27/6/16
So, they get folk to blame the immigrants as opposed to the companies that control MPs.
It is tragic that some folk thing a tory govt out of the EU would not bend over backwards and lube themselves up to take more corporate D.
Look at the steel industry ffs. EU wants to protect British jobs, Cameron opens the door for Chinese steel
Meanwhile some clowns blame immigrants
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
I'm sorry, tax payer funded public services work.
.................
I see you have had to split between tax payer funded, and those that have to be supported by the tax payer when they don't work.
Why is that? I have no issues with tax payer funded things like the Military and the Police etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Should the tax payer have supported the banks in the US and the UK after the 2008 crash?
posted on 27/6/16
To be fair to Mudd, I've ended up sometimes arguing the opposite point to what I personally believe due to the stupidity of the argument put forward.
I've rarely seen leave voters mentioning valid reasons and concerns about the EU. Likewise, for some on the remain side it has turned into a utopian view due to the debates put forward.
A referendum of that scale though, it was always going to boil down to soundbytes due to the complexity and nuance involved. The vast majority of the debate though has been, for want of a better way to put it, stupid.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted less than a minute ago
To be fair to Mudd, I've ended up sometimes arguing the opposite point to what I personally believe due to the stupidity of the argument put forward.
I've rarely seen leave voters mentioning valid reasons and concerns about the EU. Likewise, for some on the remain side it has turned into a utopian view due to the debates put forward.
A referendum of that scale though, it was always going to boil down to soundbytes due to the complexity and nuance involved. The vast majority of the debate though has been, for want of a better way to put it, stupid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 27/6/16
I see Gold is at a high at the moment. If only we had some Gold Reserves to sell off when needed for a rainy day.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
I see Gold is at a high at the moment. If only we had some Gold Reserves to sell off when needed for a rainy day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If only ....
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
I see Gold is at a high at the moment. If only we had some Gold Reserves to sell off when needed for a rainy day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed, if only the banking sector was better regulated. I remember Davey boy was arguing for less regulation at the time
posted on 27/6/16
Should the tax payer have supported the banks in the US and the UK after the 2008 crash?
...............
No. But I fully understand why they did.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
Is it the system that's the problem if Jo Bloggs from Poland with no skills or training gets a job ahead if a UK citizen?
Would you not look at what the UK citizen is doing wrong to not get the job ahead of a less experienced candidate?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would possibly look at whether the employer is exploiting the immigrant by maybe offering him cash in hand. This is something we know happens to help drive down wages.
If the immigrant isn't being exploited then there is possibly something wrong with the UK citizen's approach in some way.
Or maybe the immigrant is willing to sign a zero hours contract for minimum wage whereas the UK citizen wants a skilled worker salary for doing an unskilled job.
There are lots of reasons why the immigrant may be employed instead of the more skilled UK citizen. It is not as simple as employ one over the other as lots of unknowns need to be factored in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly. So is it an immigration issue a UK citizen being undercut in the job market by an EU citizen? Or is it an issue with employment law in this country?
Things like zero hour contracts and cash in hand work are the responsibility of our government to sort out.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
Should the tax payer have supported the banks in the US and the UK after the 2008 crash?
...............
No. But I fully understand why they did.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Me too, do you think it is fair for private profit making organisations to be dependent on the public purse?
posted on 27/6/16
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
Is it the system that's the problem if Jo Bloggs from Poland with no skills or training gets a job ahead if a UK citizen?
Would you not look at what the UK citizen is doing wrong to not get the job ahead of a less experienced candidate?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would possibly look at whether the employer is exploiting the immigrant by maybe offering him cash in hand. This is something we know happens to help drive down wages.
If the immigrant isn't being exploited then there is possibly something wrong with the UK citizen's approach in some way.
Or maybe the immigrant is willing to sign a zero hours contract for minimum wage whereas the UK citizen wants a skilled worker salary for doing an unskilled job.
There are lots of reasons why the immigrant may be employed instead of the more skilled UK citizen. It is not as simple as employ one over the other as lots of unknowns need to be factored in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly. So is it an immigration issue a UK citizen being undercut in the job market by an EU citizen? Or is it an issue with employment law in this country?
Things like zero hour contracts and cash in hand work are the responsibility of our government to sort out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you control cash in hand work?
posted on 27/6/16
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
Is it the system that's the problem if Jo Bloggs from Poland with no skills or training gets a job ahead if a UK citizen?
Would you not look at what the UK citizen is doing wrong to not get the job ahead of a less experienced candidate?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would possibly look at whether the employer is exploiting the immigrant by maybe offering him cash in hand. This is something we know happens to help drive down wages.
If the immigrant isn't being exploited then there is possibly something wrong with the UK citizen's approach in some way.
Or maybe the immigrant is willing to sign a zero hours contract for minimum wage whereas the UK citizen wants a skilled worker salary for doing an unskilled job.
There are lots of reasons why the immigrant may be employed instead of the more skilled UK citizen. It is not as simple as employ one over the other as lots of unknowns need to be factored in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly. So is it an immigration issue a UK citizen being undercut in the job market by an EU citizen? Or is it an issue with employment law in this country?
Things like zero hour contracts and cash in hand work are the responsibility of our government to sort out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nail on head.
The issue is not the immigrant the issues are the law and the corporations.
posted on 27/6/16
I remember Davey boy was arguing for less regulation at the time
...............
I doubt very much you had even heard of him back then. Nobody else had.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted about a minute ago
I see Gold is at a high at the moment. If only we had some Gold Reserves to sell off when needed for a rainy day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can thank Gordon Brown selli g our gold as chancellor to buy the elction for that. If we sold ot now it would more than pay off our wntire national debt.
posted on 27/6/16
How do you control cash in hand work?
=========
Depends on the scale
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
I remember Davey boy was arguing for less regulation at the time
...............
I doubt very much you had even heard of him back then. Nobody else had.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I knew who he was, we had met on a few occasions during discussions about energy policy if a tory govt won the elections.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted less than a minute ago
How do you control cash in hand work?
=========
Depends on the scale
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Its literally impossible
posted on 27/6/16
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted about a minute ago
I see Gold is at a high at the moment. If only we had some Gold Reserves to sell off when needed for a rainy day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can thank Gordon Brown selli g our gold as chancellor to buy the elction for that. If we sold ot now it would more than pay off our wntire national debt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why was the gold sold off
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