comment by Ross Turnbull has a Champions League medal (U3522)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
I'm guessing there is a lot of cash in hand work plus getting benefits which would be worth a hell of a lot when sent back home. not demonising anyone because it's a smart thing to do, but doubt many people who say it's a good thing.

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its best not to guess.. otherwise it just lays bare your assumptions about migrant workers.. just like now.. where you think migrants arrive, work cash in hand, claim benefits and send the money home.


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There will be people who do that. Just as there are people born here who work cash in hand and claim benefits. That is a fact as far as I'm concerned but I don't care. The money they siphon is a drop in the ocean compared to the tax avoidance of the rich.
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This is why I filtered Red. If it's not black and white, or backed up by at least 25 studies carried out by the worlds top scholars, then you're either a liar or plain stupid.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 53 seconds ago
I'm guessing there is a lot of cash in hand work plus getting benefits which would be worth a hell of a lot when sent back home. not demonising anyone because it's a smart thing to do, but doubt many people who say it's a good thing.

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its best not to guess.. otherwise it just lays bare your assumptions about migrant workers.. just like now.. where you think migrants arrive, work cash in hand, claim benefits and send the money home.


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I'm saying it from personal experience, the guy who owns my offices sometimes picks up the guys who wait outside Wicks/B&Q to mow the lawn and stuff like that, he pays em £40 a day (in London so probably less elsewhere). Most days they don't get picked up. This didn't happen 10 years ago which suggest two things, immigration is too high and employment law means fack all. That you want to pretend it doesn't happen just shows your naivety.

There are already rumours that not only are the EU going to press ahead with treh Euro army, but also make it illegal for member states to have their own army. They also want legal reforms to introduce a European criminal law rather than national laws.

comment by Ross Turnbull has a Champions League medal (U3522)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby (U11781)
posted 21 seconds ago
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl9cyUnWgAAObVV.jpg

Brexit has affected this particular person very hard.

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Any idea what industry they were in?
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Is this even true or has some Bremainer just made it up. I can post any crap I like on the internet and no one can prove whether its true or not and from what Ive seen from the crybabies who cant accept a democratic decision I definitely would not put it past them.
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You cold hearted fiend
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I'm calling it as bs

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 53 seconds ago
I'm guessing there is a lot of cash in hand work plus getting benefits which would be worth a hell of a lot when sent back home. not demonising anyone because it's a smart thing to do, but doubt many people who say it's a good thing.

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its best not to guess.. otherwise it just lays bare your assumptions about migrant workers.. just like now.. where you think migrants arrive, work cash in hand, claim benefits and send the money home.


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I'm saying it from personal experience, the guy who owns my offices sometimes picks up the guys who wait outside Wicks/B&Q to mow the lawn and stuff like that, he pays em £40 a day (in London so probably less elsewhere). Most days they don't get picked up. This didn't happen 10 years ago which suggest two things, immigration is too high and employment law means fack all. That you want to pretend it doesn't happen just shows your naivety.
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I'm not sure if you mean this didn't happen 10 years ago at your work because I couldn't say, but it definitely did happen in this country 10 years ago. It happens all over the world.

I know a guy who worked illegally in Spain fir a few years, working in construction cash in hand but he had to return when he had an accident on site and lost an arm.

Don't pity him, though, he's a right Twatt

Do you not think its a bit rude telling someone living here, who may face serious repercussions, in terms of employment and housing, to 'get over it you lost'

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No, not in the slightest.

Whining on an internet forum isn't going to change anything is it?

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I do

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Yes, but as you have proved on here in the last hour, you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I will treat your opinion with utter contempt.

I did warn you on your own stupidity, but you still had to carry on.

This didn't happen 10 years ago which suggest two things, immigration is too high and employment law means fack all. That you want to pretend it doesn't happen just shows your naivety.
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Im not saying it doesn't happen, as my window cleaner and guy that cuts my lawn are both paid in cash.

Both are British, and have been doing it for years.

comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 5 minutes ago

There are already rumours that not only are the EU going to press ahead with treh Euro army, but also make it illegal for member states to have their own army. They also want legal reforms to introduce a European criminal law rather than national laws.

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That would be EU suicide. I can't imagine them wanting to do that.

but also make it illegal for member states to have their own army.

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Where did you see this rumour?

VC

"Whining on an internet forum isn't going to change anything is it?"

There's not valid reason for debate? There's plenty of reason for debate.

See here you go being a condescending 5unt. I'm sorry I've been agressive in my replies. I take exception to someone who isn't really affected that much saying 'get over it'.

See here you go being a condescending 5unt.

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Beats being a 'thick as pig crap '

I did warn you, soft lad, but your desire to keep looking stupid overcame you.

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I take exception to someone who isn't really affected that much saying 'get over it'.
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Stop being a baby.

The vote is done, the 'Remain' lost. All the whining in the world isn't going to change that. You just come off like Arsene Wenger as being a poor loser.

I will let you in on a little secret in half an hour or so.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 5 minutes ago

There are already rumours that not only are the EU going to press ahead with treh Euro army, but also make it illegal for member states to have their own army. They also want legal reforms to introduce a European criminal law rather than national laws.

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That would be EU suicide. I can't imagine them wanting to do that.

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I agree. There's no way countries are going to tolerate this level of removal of sovereignty.

God help Europe if thery want to be protected by the German, Italian and Dutch armies.

I agree. There's no way countries are going to tolerate this level of removal of sovereignty.

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The UK certainly wouldn't.

I did say rumours. I'm not taking it as all going to happen, but it does raise a genuine point that there will be further changes in the EU which, particualrly if we had voted to remain, would further erode the sovereignty of the member states.

comment by Ross Turnbull has a Champions League medal (U3522)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 53 seconds ago
I'm guessing there is a lot of cash in hand work plus getting benefits which would be worth a hell of a lot when sent back home. not demonising anyone because it's a smart thing to do, but doubt many people who say it's a good thing.

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its best not to guess.. otherwise it just lays bare your assumptions about migrant workers.. just like now.. where you think migrants arrive, work cash in hand, claim benefits and send the money home.


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I'm saying it from personal experience, the guy who owns my offices sometimes picks up the guys who wait outside Wicks/B&Q to mow the lawn and stuff like that, he pays em £40 a day (in London so probably less elsewhere). Most days they don't get picked up. This didn't happen 10 years ago which suggest two things, immigration is too high and employment law means fack all. That you want to pretend it doesn't happen just shows your naivety.
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I'm not sure if you mean this didn't happen 10 years ago at your work because I couldn't say, but it definitely did happen in this country 10 years ago. It happens all over the world.

I know a guy who worked illegally in Spain fir a few years, working in construction cash in hand but he had to return when he had an accident on site and lost an arm.

Don't pity him, though, he's a right Twatt
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Not cash in hand work but the 30 or 40 people waiting outside B&Q etc. every day.

comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted less than a minute ago
I did say rumours. I'm not taking it as all going to happen, but it does raise a genuine point that there will be further changes in the EU which, particualrly if we had voted to remain, would further erode the sovereignty of the member states.
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I'm amazed something like the two examples would ever get past the level of office junior, never mind mid/high level talks. They're preposterous ideas.

Possibly in the 70s, the filthy scabs!

comment by terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted less than a minute ago
I did say rumours. I'm not taking it as all going to happen, but it does raise a genuine point that there will be further changes in the EU which, particualrly if we had voted to remain, would further erode the sovereignty of the member states.
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I'm amazed something like the two examples would ever get past the level of office junior, never mind mid/high level talks. They're preposterous ideas.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

Can't see it myself except the EU army bit

VC

"Stop being a baby.

The vote is done, the 'Remain' lost. All the whining in the world isn't going to change that. You just come off like Arsene Wenger as being a poor loser."

See you see whining when what's been going on, on both sides, has been debate between a bunch of adults about a contentious decision that will shake the future of people living here for generations.

You could've joined in, but alas.

Can't be rsed carrying on this 'discussion'. I'll crack on debating with people who want to do it in the right way.

comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 4 minutes ago
I did say rumours. I'm not taking it as all going to happen, but it does raise a genuine point that there will be further changes in the EU which, particualrly if we had voted to remain, would further erode the sovereignty of the member states.
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Speculation.

George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 18m18 minutes ago
I'm now near-certain that Corbyn voted Leave. Hear papers have more tomorrow.

comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 4 minutes ago
I did say rumours. I'm not taking it as all going to happen, but it does raise a genuine point that there will be further changes in the EU which, particualrly if we had voted to remain, would further erode the sovereignty of the member states.
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Speculation.
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Like just about every arguement of the remain AND Brexit sides in the whole debate.

comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby (U11781)
posted less than a minute ago
George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 18m18 minutes ago
I'm now near-certain that Corbyn voted Leave. Hear papers have more tomorrow.
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Obvious

comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt ... (U11781)
posted less than a minute ago
George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 18m18 minutes ago
I'm now near-certain that Corbyn voted Leave. Hear papers have more tomorrow.
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All guesswork. They can't get hold of any substantial proof.

I believe he did, however.