comment by Wearethefamous THFC .. Bored of Football (U19211)
posted 58 seconds ago
Kids today have everything and Admin thinks they are the poorest and worst off ever

i got 20p on a sat and had to work for any extra

kids today got i phones at ten yrs old and dont even have to earn them.. poor little mites

least they wont have to play in a war bombed city with one pair of shoes to last all yr

In the 20s people lived upto 20 people in a house with 1 outside toilet... now thats poor and needy not some radical kid who hates his own country and its values
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I'm talking specifically about the baby boomer demographic. Who would you believe claim unemployment benefit whilst on summer holiday from their free grant assisted university Education.

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comment by Wearethefamous THFC .. Bored of Football (U19211)
posted 58 seconds ago
Kids today have everything and Admin thinks they are the poorest and worst off ever

i got 20p on a sat and had to work for any extra

kids today got i phones at ten yrs old and dont even have to earn them.. poor little mites

least they wont have to play in a war bombed city with one pair of shoes to last all yr

In the 20s people lived upto 20 people in a house with 1 outside toilet... now thats poor and needy not some radical kid who hates his own country and its values
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I'm talking specifically about the baby boomer demographic. Who would you believe claim unemployment benefit whilst on summer holiday from their free grant assisted university Education.
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Admin 1, read the link I posted above. Youre believing hyope, not facts. 13% of baby boomers went to uni and that was mainly as their families were the only ones who could afford to send them. There may have been a priveleged few, but saying all baby boomers come into that is ageist, bigotted and downright false.

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"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise"

How very true?

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comment by Wearethefamous THFC .. Bored of Football (U19211)
posted 58 seconds ago
Kids today have everything and Admin thinks they are the poorest and worst off ever

i got 20p on a sat and had to work for any extra

kids today got i phones at ten yrs old and dont even have to earn them.. poor little mites

least they wont have to play in a war bombed city with one pair of shoes to last all yr

In the 20s people lived upto 20 people in a house with 1 outside toilet... now thats poor and needy not some radical kid who hates his own country and its values
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I'm talking specifically about the baby boomer demographic. Who would you believe claim unemployment benefit whilst on summer holiday from their free grant assisted university Education.
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Admin 1, read the link I posted above. Youre believing hyope, not facts. 13% of baby boomers went to uni and that was mainly as their families were the only ones who could afford to send them. There may have been a priveleged few, but saying all baby boomers come into that is ageist, bigotted and downright false.
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At no point did I say all baby boomers. But their collective privilege as a demographic is utterly irrefutable.

What weare doesn't get is the people in the war fought for the youth of today to live more comfortable lives. Yet out of pure jealousy and spite, he wants a throwback to the old days.

I actually agree with him the children of today are negatively affected by all this social media crap. But what he is proposing is not the solution.

At no point did I say all baby boomers. But their collective privilege as a demographic is utterly irrefutable.
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That comment is laughable. You obviously have no real understanding of how hard life was for our parents/grandparents who were baby boomers. Maybe your family were part of the privileged few like my parents (not that I got anything for it), rather than the working class majority like my inlaws.

comment by Tu Meke Santi. (U3732)
posted about a minute ago
What weare doesn't get is the people in the war fought for the youth of today to live more comfortable lives. Yet out of pure jealousy and spite, he wants a throwback to the old days.

I actually agree with him the children of today are negatively affected by all this social media crap. But what he is proposing is not the solution.
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Anyone who fought in the war to protect our way of life would be at least 87 now, that WW2 ending 71 years ago and being able to sign up at 16. We need to move away from this "old people" fought in the war. Most of them didnt.

comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 10 seconds ago
At no point did I say all baby boomers. But their collective privilege as a demographic is utterly irrefutable.
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That comment is laughable. You obviously have no real understanding of how hard life was for our parents/grandparents who were baby boomers. Maybe your family were part of the privileged few like my parents (not that I got anything for it), rather than the working class majority like my inlaws.
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My dad worked digging roads for a living after leaving the army and brought me up in a council house I was the first in my family to go to university, where the rest of my family joined the armed services to get out a poverty trap, my mother worked in a soap factory till she died of lung cancer when I was 7. My dad 10 years later just before I sat my exams before starting university.

It does not change the fact the baby boomers will go down as the most privileged demographic the UK has ever produced.

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comment by Admin1 (U1)
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comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 10 seconds ago
At no point did I say all baby boomers. But their collective privilege as a demographic is utterly irrefutable.
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That comment is laughable. You obviously have no real understanding of how hard life was for our parents/grandparents who were baby boomers. Maybe your family were part of the privileged few like my parents (not that I got anything for it), rather than the working class majority like my inlaws.
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My dad worked digging roads for a living after leaving the army and brought me up in a council house I was the first in my family to go to university, where the rest of my family joined the armed services to get out a poverty trap, my mother worked in a soap factory till she died of lung cancer when I was 7. My dad 10 years later just before I sat my exams before starting university.

It does not change the fact the baby boomers will go down as the most privileged demographic the UK has ever produced.
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OK, sorry to hear of your loss so young in life. My dad being a total b'stard forced my mum out of the family when I was 4 and made it as difficult as possible for her to have any contact with us so I know what its like to suffer that loss so young. I was a few years older than you when my dad died, but he had told me if I went to uni that would be it, I would not be able to go back home and would have to fend for myself. I got a job instead.

I have posted a link, albeit to a news story with the reporters view, providing some facts to debunc the myth that they were priveleged. Care to give more detail on why you think they were the most priveleged demographic and any links to back it up?

comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 16 minutes ago
"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise"

How very true?
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By the way this quote is from Socrates around 400BC. But you will find similar such questioning of the work ethic of "today's" generation in such works as Atlas Shrugged published in 1957 by Ayn Rand.

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comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Santi. (U3732)
posted about a minute ago
What weare doesn't get is the people in the war fought for the youth of today to live more comfortable lives. Yet out of pure jealousy and spite, he wants a throwback to the old days.

I actually agree with him the children of today are negatively affected by all this social media crap. But what he is proposing is not the solution.
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Anyone who fought in the war to protect our way of life would be at least 87 now, that WW2 ending 71 years ago and being able to sign up at 16. We need to move away from this "old people" fought in the war. Most of them didnt.
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this is true, however the older (and by that i mean 70's'80's) certainly had it tougher than most today, when i hear young people today moan about hardship it makes my blood boil, my late father was a teenager during the 1940's and when i used to listen to him tell me about those days it certainly made me appreciate my own life, going to school hungry, having to go and collect sea coal with his dad after finishing school, leaving school at 14 and getting a job, the only thing that they could boast about was the fact there were lots of jobs to be had.

comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted about a minute ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 10 seconds ago
At no point did I say all baby boomers. But their collective privilege as a demographic is utterly irrefutable.
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That comment is laughable. You obviously have no real understanding of how hard life was for our parents/grandparents who were baby boomers. Maybe your family were part of the privileged few like my parents (not that I got anything for it), rather than the working class majority like my inlaws.
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My dad worked digging roads for a living after leaving the army and brought me up in a council house I was the first in my family to go to university, where the rest of my family joined the armed services to get out a poverty trap, my mother worked in a soap factory till she died of lung cancer when I was 7. My dad 10 years later just before I sat my exams before starting university.

It does not change the fact the baby boomers will go down as the most privileged demographic the UK has ever produced.
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OK, sorry to hear of your loss so young in life. My dad being a total b'stard forced my mum out of the family when I was 4 and made it as difficult as possible for her to have any contact with us so I know what its like to suffer that loss so young. I was a few years older than you when my dad died, but he had told me if I went to uni that would be it, I would not be able to go back home and would have to fend for myself. I got a job instead.

I have posted a link, albeit to a news story with the reporters view, providing some facts to debunc the myth that they were priveleged. Care to give more detail on why you think they were the most priveleged demographic and any links to back it up?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/8840963/Baby-boomers-are-very-privileged-human-beings.html

The facts speak for themselves. More than 80pc of the nation's £6.7trn in wealth is owned by baby boomers (those born between 1946 and 1964). Collectively, the country owns £2.6trn in shares and savings – and those aged 50 to 64 own £1trn of this. A third of the £1.8trn held in pension funds is owned by this age group (and a further quarter is owned by those aged between 45 and 50). And they own 40pc of the £2.5trn tied up in property. In fact, property has been such a staggeringly good investment for this generation that one in five baby boomers owns a second home.
As Will Hutton of the Work Foundation – and a baby boomer himself – pointed out: "Having enjoyed a life of free love, free school meals, free universities, defined benefit pensions, mainly full employment and a 40-year-long housing boom, [the baby boomers] are bequeathing their children sky-high house prices, debts and shrivelled pensions. A 60 year-old today is a very privileged and lucky human being."
The key to the financial success of the baby boomers has been rising house prices. Robert Gardner, the chief economist at Nationwide, said: "The baby boomer generation benefited from significant house price rises – in some cases over 100pc in real terms. Housing was also more affordable during the mid Seventies and the Eighties, with a much lower house-price-to-earnings ratio than today."
This helped create a huge increase in home ownership. And this demand, fuelled by baby boomers buying their first homes, then moving into bigger homes as their families grew, helped drive prices higher.
As Philippa Gee, a financial adviser, said: "This is the golden ticket that has helped secure the financial future of many baby boomers." But as she pointed out, this "golden ticket" can't be used to bail them out of every eventuality, from propping up pensions, paying for future care or helping their children get a leg up on the housing ladder

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comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Santi. (U3732)
posted about a minute ago
What weare doesn't get is the people in the war fought for the youth of today to live more comfortable lives. Yet out of pure jealousy and spite, he wants a throwback to the old days.

I actually agree with him the children of today are negatively affected by all this social media crap. But what he is proposing is not the solution.
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Anyone who fought in the war to protect our way of life would be at least 87 now, that WW2 ending 71 years ago and being able to sign up at 16. We need to move away from this "old people" fought in the war. Most of them didnt.
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Not sure what you're trying to say here. I don't mean that in a condescending sort of way.

Admin, I fall into the baby boomer age group (I was born in Liverpool in 1962) and I can tell you. I have no savings, no personal pension but I do have a mortgage.

When the government brought out ISAs and encouraged people to save who exactly was that going to benefit? I didn't (and still don't) have any spare cash to put into savings or ISAs.

I couldn't (and still can't) afford a pension yet I'm expected to pay extra tax so that some civil servants (many of whom are baby boomers themselves) can have more holidays per year than me and get a nice pension when they retire.

Not all baby boomers are affluent university graduates with multiple houses.

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comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
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Admin, I fall into the baby boomer age group (I was born in Liverpool in 1962) and I can tell you. I have no savings, no personal pension but I do have a mortgage.

When the government brought out ISAs and encouraged people to save who exactly was that going to benefit? I didn't (and still don't) have any spare cash to put into savings or ISAs.

I couldn't (and still can't) afford a pension yet I'm expected to pay extra tax so that some civil servants (many of whom are baby boomers themselves) can have more holidays per year than me and get a nice pension when they retire.

Not all baby boomers are affluent university graduates with multiple houses.
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My parents weren't either. But the demographic as a whole was/is more privileged. A baby boomer teacher could afford a house a car, a family and a stay at home wife. My mates who are teachers struggle to buy an ex council house, let alone have a stay at home "wife"

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So the telegraph has posted stories saying it is true and it isnt rrue that baby boomers were priveleged.

Yes, now most have some wealth as a result of house price rises but that has taken a long time to achieve and they went through far more hardship than we will ever know. They worked hard for what they got, went for many years with little or no luxuries, but now have something to show for their years of hard work and hardship. If you think thats priveleged, wow, I'm surprised. I see it as the fruits of their labour for being prepared to work hard long hours.

And what do most of them do? Use it to make their kids lives a luxury so they will never have to experience the same hardship they did. Most of the baby boomers I know are now grandparents and its not unusual for them to babysit their grandkids for a weekend and pay for their kids and partner to go away for a weekend somewhere, or give them the deposit to buy a house. The fact is that the young these days are on the whole far more priveleged and likely to have all the luxuries they want than the baby boomers were.

You can't take a generalised point and rebuke it with individual experience though, Admin is completely right in that the opportunities and privileges the baby boomers experienced as a generation was far greater than the generation that preceded or followed it, be it in housing, pension or education to name a few. We're there some that wouldn't have experienced it? Absolutely. Less proportionally than now though.