If you want people to stop talking about, why post an article containing facts everyone already knows?

I'm not going to comment on the Brexit result, but feel I must comment on this in your OP:

'So those of us who are educated and, you know, actually know stuff have had this result forced upon us by people who are uneducated and know less stuff'


Your previous posts and threads give absolutely no indication whatsoever that you are 'educated'.

Are you one of the 'uneducated' that have supposedly fecked the country up, or are you 'educated', and you post on here as some sort of spoof character?

115 mins of play, no shots on target.

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Shock horror....britains elite who raid the poor and have become rich whilst in the EU want to remain in.

Shocking indeed......

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Fack me, if the pound dropped so heavily due to the shock of Brexit, then I dread to think what will happen now that the word is out that you've had an education.

By the time my school friends had received their degree, I had been working full-time and paying into the tax system for 8 years. So for 8 years I have been directly putting money IN to this economy we're all so worried about, while they have been consistently taking OUT. Yet because I chose work over study, I am apparently less qualified to forge an opinion. I didn't realise a Bachelors in facking Fashion Design would have multipled the significance of my opinion on the EU so much.

I thought only 30% of eligible young people turned up to voted anyway.

Perhaps if you were actually educated, you might consider the possibility that those less educated may be much more likely to be affected by the negatives aspects of being in the EU, i.e. low skilled migrants taking low skilled job.

I voted remain, but it seems to me a lack of critical thinking has brought us to this point, and is probably why we should never have a referendum in the first place.

95% of the population (in which I definitely include myself) are in no position to make an informed judgement about the whether we should be in the EU or not, because it is a HUGELY complex issue, with a myriad of political, economic, social and cultural considerations to take into account. That's why the anti-intellectual tone of this referendum has been so depressing, as most people don't know what they are talking about.

It's also one of the reasons we have a representative democracy, where the people we elect are put in a position where the have all manner of resources (the entirety of the civil services, numerous special advisers, financial resources) so that they can be in a position to make the informed decisions that we never could. If they fack it up, then we can vote them out come the next general election (and before people start going on about the EU being undemocratic, this is also the point of MEPs - if you don't know who your MEP is/was, whose fault is that really?).

Anyway, the whole thing is immensely depressing, and I don't really want to talk about it much more.

comment by Sömeday_693 - Elneny will be our salvation (U8892)
posted 31 minutes ago
It's also one of the reasons we have a representative democracy, where the people we elect are put in a position where the have all manner of resources (the entirety of the civil services, numerous special advisers, financial resources) so that they can be in a position to make the informed decisions that we never could. If they fack it up, then we can vote them out come the next general election (and before people start going on about the EU being undemocratic, this is also the point of MEPs - if you don't know who your MEP is/was, whose fault is that really?).

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Even as a leave voter, I like the points you make on a representative democracy. Taking aside the EU completely, a very large proportion of the 17,000,000 who voted leave will feel that they have not been represented at all - which history may show was the real issue here, not Europe.

This article is surely a wum...
Because every educated or intelligent person has a degree and everyone who doesn't have a degree should be cleaning toilets for rest of their lives.

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comment by Sömeday_693 - Elneny will be our salvatio... (U8892)
posted 7 hours, 54 minutes ago
Perhaps if you were actually educated, you might consider the possibility that those less educated may be much more likely to be affected by the negatives aspects of being in the EU, i.e. low skilled migrants taking low skilled job.

I voted remain, but it seems to me a lack of critical thinking has brought us to this point, and is probably why we should never have a referendum in the first place.

95% of the population (in which I definitely include myself) are in no position to make an informed judgement about the whether we should be in the EU or not, because it is a HUGELY complex issue, with a myriad of political, economic, social and cultural considerations to take into account. That's why the anti-intellectual tone of this referendum has been so depressing, as most people don't know what they are talking about.

It's also one of the reasons we have a representative democracy, where the people we elect are put in a position where the have all manner of resources (the entirety of the civil services, numerous special advisers, financial resources) so that they can be in a position to make the informed decisions that we never could. If they fack it up, then we can vote them out come the next general election (and before people start going on about the EU being undemocratic, this is also the point of MEPs - if you don't know who your MEP is/was, whose fault is that really?).

Anyway, the whole thing is immensely depressing, and I don't really want to talk about it much more.
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People are always moaning about the little people not having enough say.

Politicians not picked by the people, but from within their own ranks. Backs scratched, greasy poles climbed, to get those plum seats.

When Corbyn got elected by the great unwashed, it was seen as a victory for the ordinary person. Fingers up to the out of touch PLP.

Now the people have spoken on this, it is seen as a bad thing. The people in 1975 voted us in to the thing on what turned out to be lies - is it any surprise the older generation voted out?

Perhaps if the politicians of the EU had not been so arrogant in negotiations this would not have happened.

Perhaps if public opinion had been gauged when signing the various treaties over the years, which morphed the Common Market in to the EU it is today, we would happily be in it.

Snobs in the uk are behaving like yuppies and looking down on other people.....we are considerably smarter, richer and betterthan you, in a Herry Enfield sketch accent.

Gotta love the new liberal kinder politics, and I see stalinist Corbyn has removed Hilary Benn.

I thought Jo Cox and those quoting her beliefs said we should respect difference, and those around Corbyn and remainers slating us as thick racists are showing intolerance, on a daily basis.

Universities and lecturers are dominated by left wing activists, many of whom go into the proffessikn because it fits with their idealist philosophies that they can influence large numbers of young people. This includes a number of friends of mine who will let this slip in general conversation but not openly admit it. I guess the op is one of these easily influenced graduate types.

The thing that gets me about this referendum is that it was a democratically reached decision by the nation yet we have so many people who want this democratic decision to be reversed.

Lets just set up a dictator now and be done with democracy.

Universities and lecturers are dominated by left wing activists, many of whom go into the proffessikn because it fits with their idealist philosophies that they can influence large numbers of young people. This includes a number of friends of mine who will let this slip in general conversation but not openly admit it. I guess the op is one of these easily influenced graduate types.

The thing that gets me about this referendum is that it was a democratically reached decision by the nation yet we have so many people who want this democratic decision to be reversed.

Lets just set up a dictator now and be done with democracy.

Fair point gooner, bud.

The fact that many of these students and ageist remainers did not register to vote, or get out to vote is rarely mentioned.


18-25 least likely to vote......hypocrites.

The OP must have voted to leave then. Either that or he is the exception to this correlation

Certain student groups are basically ultra pc mobs, stifling free debate and thought.

NUS could not condemn isis as that was viewed islamophobic, even though muslims are suffering under isis.

The leader of Nus freely condemns Israel though....hypocrites.

I see corbyn sacked Hilary Benn for being different..new kinder politics, hmmmm.

comment by RGM (U20761)
posted 2 minutes ago
The OP must have voted to leave then. Either that or he is the exception to this correlation
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Perhaps bobby is simply a decent guy😃

If they didnt vote its down to them. They were given enough of a push to register and make sure they used their vote.

Another point which I have not seen on here is that as soon as the referendum was called our future would change. I was 50-50 on what I wanted. If we voted to remain the EU would of pressed ahead with changes that would of changed our lives forever. We are paying an extra £1.7b to bail out Greece anyway and with the new entrants coming in would have had to pay more to prop up their economies.

Leave was always going to have the biggest short term affect on our economy, but remain would cost us far more in the long run.

The choice was long term high cost stability or short term pain. People qho think it was a straightforward choice are idiots.

P.s. I didnt go to uni because of my family situation at the time but it does not make me stupid as the op thi ks.

I was undecided too gooner, but did the research.

I studied politics at Queens in belfast, but unlike certain remain student snobs, I know I have much to learn, still.

Many who went to uni are in no position to lecture the people who did not, believe me buddy😉

The OP seems to be suprised. Why?

Going to University doesn't mean you're intelligent! These days there are so many awful uni's accepting 3 C's or worse at A-levels. It's a waste of time and money for many students coming out with a 2:2 in Media Studies from Wolverhampton does not make you more intelligent than a school leaver who has been working since they are 18.

I find this snobbery about education quite ill informed. A degree means very little unless it is a 2.1 or better from a probably top 20 university.

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