Nobody here who criticises Islam (which is ok) can pull out a single verse in context from the Quran which condones this behaviour (which isn't ok if criticising). In fact there are specific verses which condemn the behaviour we are witnessing.
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Exactly...no one knows about Quran or correctly interpreted. Not even Abdullah Yusuf Ali..
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
Kfc and his mates never comment how many Muslims are killed by Muslims, how some hide weapons in mosques shoot from hospitals, use human shields, desicrate and mutilate dead bodies, execute hostages.
Use children as human bombs, convert people to attack market places full of innocent people.
I hope all the victims make full recoveries.
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It was literally only yesterday that this pleb LQ accused me of jumping on threads like this one and complaining about the middle east when Europeans die.
I explained to him, I only jump on these threads when misinformation is spread about Muslims and Islam. If these posts only offered condolences, then I wouldn't have a problem.
This idiot has now written a comment specifically talking about me and spreading lies.
What am I supposed to do?
I use the FACT that more Muslims are killed by these so killed Muslims ALL of the time to illustrate the fact that they are not practising Muslims if they kill their own let alone kill innocent non Muslim.
You just can't acknowledge this fact, you are depressingly dim witted.
Nobody here who criticises Islam (which is ok) can pull out a single verse in context from the Quran which condones this behaviour (which isn't ok if criticising). In fact there are specific verses which condemn the behaviour we are witnessing.
"`Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."
Those rules of engagement pretty much show LQ's comment for what it is.
Bull schit.
LQ complain about dead bodies being mutilated and he complains about children being killed.
The above paragraph explicitly says:
"You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man."
It's hilarious how LQ and people like him forget these details. It's also funny how people forget they I don't have a problem with people calling them Muslims but calling them practising Muslims.
To be a Muslim all you have to do is recite the proclamation of faith. To be a practising Muslim you actually have to take notice of paragraphs like the one above.
I can find a million examples of how these people contradict Islam, but for ignorant fools like LQ saying Allhu Akbar before somebody does something makes it Islamic.
So I'm going to shout it out and then go for a beer and bacon sandwich, maybe tonight i'll snort cocaine off of a prostitute.
It's ok though fellow Muslims, it's totally Islamic to do these things because I shouted God is Great first.
One other thing, I challenge anybody here to find or more merciful set of rules when in combat. Under these rules if followed properly weapons of mass destruction would be obsolete.
Our PM just voted to build a bomb which is able to kill up to 1 million people. If Putin nukes us, what soul with an ounce of humanity would want us to incinerate up to 1 million people who didn't have a say in one psychopaths decision?
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You keep saying you must not and it is forbiden yet it's still happening.
You said they aren't Muslims but they sure as hell think they are, as I have said before and you are too thick to get through that selective head of yours is, it's not us demonising Islam.
You have your head buried in the sand.
As for have said about you many times.
See you on the next thread after the next attack by some one shouting God is great and murdering civilians.
Mud it's western governments that have caused most this mess no doubt about it.
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What a fecking idiot.
He accuses me again of saying they aren't Muslims in a REPLY to a post where I explicitly say I don't have a problem calling them Muslims.
Islam and Muslims are two separate things.
LQ if I (a Muslim) eat a bacon sandwich, am I a practising Muslim? Think about!
Kung Fu Cantona,
Did you see my earlier comment (It was chewed up in your feud with LQ)?
I'm genuinely interested on getting a moderate Muslim view of my interpretation of the situation, and why I might be wrong.
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
sorry Lambeau I missed it.
Do you mind copying and pasting it. I'm doing this on my mobile so it's not on my work Mac.
To be fair, Mudd. I think it is by a large number of people, possibly even the majority of people - just that the others are more vocal perhaps.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 57 seconds ago
sorry Lambeau I missed it.
Do you mind copying and pasting it. I'm doing this on my mobile so it's not on my work Mac.
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"Hi Kung Fu Cantona,
Would you not be willing to consider that - however unpleasant - radical Islam is just another variation on the interpretation of doctrine? Just because you might not agree with their interpretation, could it not be said that they are no more/less Muslim that you are; after all that is how they identify themselves, and the only difference between them and you is in the details.
Forgive my ignorance of your religion, but from an outside perspective this looks like another schism akin to the difference between Shias and Sunnis. Both groups identify, and are acknowledged as Muslims (I think).
I don't mean to disrespect your religion. It just that as someone not very familiar with Islam I consider this trend towards 'radical Islam' (hate that tag but don't know what else to call it) as something of a third variance of Islam, akin to the variety of sects you get in Christianity - Presbyterian. Lutherian, Methodist, Quaker etc."
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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I like to think that I'm courteous to muslims (or anyone else deserving of it).
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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The problem with all doctrine is that it's open to interpretation. From the perspective of an atheist, I don't feel that I have a right to say that a priest is any more/less Christian than a member of the KKK, just because one of them interprets the scriptures in a much friendlier way.
ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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Perhaps those you mentioned didn't put a bullet in a 10-year girls' head...
Keep comparing apples to oranges and let the world rot further under these self-proclaimed super human beings..
Perhaps those you mentioned didn't put a bullet in a 10-year girls' head...
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In fairness, neither did the Muslims on here who are often harshly derided for their beliefs. They don't condone this behaviour any more/less than you do, I'm certain.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 57 seconds ago
sorry Lambeau I missed it.
Do you mind copying and pasting it. I'm doing this on my mobile so it's not on my work Mac.
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"Hi Kung Fu Cantona,
Would you not be willing to consider that - however unpleasant - radical Islam is just another variation on the interpretation of doctrine? Just because you might not agree with their interpretation, could it not be said that they are no more/less Muslim that you are; after all that is how they identify themselves, and the only difference between them and you is in the details.
Forgive my ignorance of your religion, but from an outside perspective this looks like another schism akin to the difference between Shias and Sunnis. Both groups identify, and are acknowledged as Muslims (I think).
I don't mean to disrespect your religion. It just that as someone not very familiar with Islam I consider this trend towards 'radical Islam' (hate that tag but don't know what else to call it) as something of a third variance of Islam, akin to the variety of sects you get in Christianity - Presbyterian. Lutherian, Methodist, Quaker etc."
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I think the way in which you framed your question is an example to everybody who wants to criticise something or in this case my religion.
You criticised it respectfully and ask me with a degree of sincerity. This I don't mind and actually enjoy asking questions.
This answer is going to be long, do you mind if I answer it later when I'm not at work. The short and sweet answer won't illustrate my points.
Kung Fu Cantona,
Sure, whenever's convenient.
comment by ABU - Babes, You Brex my heart! (U8613)
posted 7 minutes ago
ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
--
Perhaps those you mentioned didn't put a bullet in a 10-year girls' head...
Keep comparing apples to oranges and let the world rot further under these self-proclaimed super human beings..
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No they just made massive crosses and burned them alive instead or hung them from trees. Only the black veriaty of 10 year old girls though, so it's ok.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kung Fu Cantona,
Sure, whenever's convenient.
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👍🏼
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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That is a strange way of thinking. It's like you only see "genuinely" religious people as good and following the version/interpretation of their religion that you agree with... that's as ridiculous as thinking all religious people are evil.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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The problem with all doctrine is that it's open to interpretation. From the perspective of an atheist, I don't feel that I have a right to say that a priest is any more/less Christian than a member of the KKK, just because one of them interprets the scriptures in a much friendlier way.
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I'm sorry but that is not accurate;
The bible and quran are very explicit when it comes to what its followers should do. There is no ambiguity. The Torah for example is "The Law."
You cannot call yourself a patriot and then commit treason.
comment by ABU - Babes, You Brex my heart! (U8613)
posted 15 minutes ago
ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
--
Perhaps those you mentioned didn't put a bullet in a 10-year girls' head...
Keep comparing apples to oranges and let the world rot further under these self-proclaimed super human beings..
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Are muslims the only people to kill children?
Do you know what the KKK did to that church Dylan Roof attacked?
Why do you enter into debates with so much ignorance? Do you have an urgent need to make yourself look stupid?
comment by Science (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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That is a strange way of thinking. It's like you only see "genuinely" religious people as good and following the version/interpretation of their religion that you agree with... that's as ridiculous as thinking all religious people are evil.
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No it is not. You cannot be a part time Christian/Muslim/Jew
You are one or you are not. All these faiths make it explicitly clear what it means to be a follower.
You have also made the mistake of mixing up religion and faith.
They are very different
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
--
Perhaps those you mentioned didn't put a bullet in a 10-year girls' head...
Keep comparing apples to oranges and let the world rot further under these self-proclaimed super human beings..
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No they just made massive crosses and burned them alive instead or hung them from trees. Only the black veriaty of 10 year old girls though, so it's ok.
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Haaa..... here you go the very first sign of "whataboutery" and "denial"... by linking racism to religion....
comment by ABU - Babes, You Brex my heart! (U8613)
posted 6 seconds ago
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
--
Perhaps those you mentioned didn't put a bullet in a 10-year girls' head...
Keep comparing apples to oranges and let the world rot further under these self-proclaimed super human beings..
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No they just made massive crosses and burned them alive instead or hung them from trees. Only the black veriaty of 10 year old girls though, so it's ok.
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Haaa..... here you go the very first sign of "whataboutery" and "denial"... by linking racism to religion....
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There is a direct link between racism and religion. It is the justification Americans used to enslave black people.
Again I ask, why do you enjoy making yourself look foolish?
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble - give peace a chance (U12215)
posted 34 minutes ago
It is interesting how many users have reference to Palestine within their user names but none have anything referring to the Syrians being forced to flee their country. Maybe because Jews aren't the bad guy in that scenario.
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It is interesting to see that you always seek to present muslims as bad people.
Even when others commit the same atrocities, you only see the muslim bit. Even in cases where people do worse, you only seek to blame the muslims.
I wonder why that is, it is behaviour atypical of a bigot
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Which muslims have i said are bad ? Try backing this up instead of just spouting crap.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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The problem with all doctrine is that it's open to interpretation. From the perspective of an atheist, I don't feel that I have a right to say that a priest is any more/less Christian than a member of the KKK, just because one of them interprets the scriptures in a much friendlier way.
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I'm sorry but that is not accurate;
The bible and quran are very explicit when it comes to what its followers should do. There is no ambiguity. The Torah for example is "The Law."
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But there are passages in Timothy, Exodus and Psalms in the bible that advocate genocide, repressing women and dashing infant skulls on rocks, and slaves submitting to their master, all at the behest of 'the Lord Almighty.'
Like is said, open to interpretation. You interpret those actions as right, or you interpret them as out of date and not the true teaching of God.
Are muslims the only people to kill children?
Do you know what the KKK did to that church Dylan Roof attacked?
Why do you enter into debates with so much ignorance? Do you have an urgent need to make yourself look stupid?
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Listen to me for a second, research why Malala has got shot then talk to me..
No one attacked Dan Brown for his critical view on Christianity or his comments..
The world is slowly changing now, few people like you are knowingly or unknowingly taking the sides of these super human beings..very sad, very sad.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Science (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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That is a strange way of thinking. It's like you only see "genuinely" religious people as good and following the version/interpretation of their religion that you agree with... that's as ridiculous as thinking all religious people are evil.
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No it is not. You cannot be a part time Christian/Muslim/Jew
You are one or you are not. All these faiths make it explicitly clear what it means to be a follower.
You have also made the mistake of mixing up religion and faith.
They are very different
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What a ridiculous thing to say. Of course you can be a Christian and not follow every single letter of the bible. Even the current Pope doesn't FFS.
Another day another nutter on the Rampage
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posted on 19/7/16
Nobody here who criticises Islam (which is ok) can pull out a single verse in context from the Quran which condones this behaviour (which isn't ok if criticising). In fact there are specific verses which condemn the behaviour we are witnessing.
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Exactly...no one knows about Quran or correctly interpreted. Not even Abdullah Yusuf Ali..
posted on 19/7/16
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
Kfc and his mates never comment how many Muslims are killed by Muslims, how some hide weapons in mosques shoot from hospitals, use human shields, desicrate and mutilate dead bodies, execute hostages.
Use children as human bombs, convert people to attack market places full of innocent people.
I hope all the victims make full recoveries.
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It was literally only yesterday that this pleb LQ accused me of jumping on threads like this one and complaining about the middle east when Europeans die.
I explained to him, I only jump on these threads when misinformation is spread about Muslims and Islam. If these posts only offered condolences, then I wouldn't have a problem.
This idiot has now written a comment specifically talking about me and spreading lies.
What am I supposed to do?
I use the FACT that more Muslims are killed by these so killed Muslims ALL of the time to illustrate the fact that they are not practising Muslims if they kill their own let alone kill innocent non Muslim.
You just can't acknowledge this fact, you are depressingly dim witted.
Nobody here who criticises Islam (which is ok) can pull out a single verse in context from the Quran which condones this behaviour (which isn't ok if criticising). In fact there are specific verses which condemn the behaviour we are witnessing.
"`Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."
Those rules of engagement pretty much show LQ's comment for what it is.
Bull schit.
LQ complain about dead bodies being mutilated and he complains about children being killed.
The above paragraph explicitly says:
"You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man."
It's hilarious how LQ and people like him forget these details. It's also funny how people forget they I don't have a problem with people calling them Muslims but calling them practising Muslims.
To be a Muslim all you have to do is recite the proclamation of faith. To be a practising Muslim you actually have to take notice of paragraphs like the one above.
I can find a million examples of how these people contradict Islam, but for ignorant fools like LQ saying Allhu Akbar before somebody does something makes it Islamic.
So I'm going to shout it out and then go for a beer and bacon sandwich, maybe tonight i'll snort cocaine off of a prostitute.
It's ok though fellow Muslims, it's totally Islamic to do these things because I shouted God is Great first.
One other thing, I challenge anybody here to find or more merciful set of rules when in combat. Under these rules if followed properly weapons of mass destruction would be obsolete.
Our PM just voted to build a bomb which is able to kill up to 1 million people. If Putin nukes us, what soul with an ounce of humanity would want us to incinerate up to 1 million people who didn't have a say in one psychopaths decision?
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You keep saying you must not and it is forbiden yet it's still happening.
You said they aren't Muslims but they sure as hell think they are, as I have said before and you are too thick to get through that selective head of yours is, it's not us demonising Islam.
You have your head buried in the sand.
As for have said about you many times.
See you on the next thread after the next attack by some one shouting God is great and murdering civilians.
Mud it's western governments that have caused most this mess no doubt about it.
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What a fecking idiot.
He accuses me again of saying they aren't Muslims in a REPLY to a post where I explicitly say I don't have a problem calling them Muslims.
Islam and Muslims are two separate things.
LQ if I (a Muslim) eat a bacon sandwich, am I a practising Muslim? Think about!
posted on 19/7/16
Kung Fu Cantona,
Did you see my earlier comment (It was chewed up in your feud with LQ)?
I'm genuinely interested on getting a moderate Muslim view of my interpretation of the situation, and why I might be wrong.
posted on 19/7/16
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
posted on 19/7/16
sorry Lambeau I missed it.
Do you mind copying and pasting it. I'm doing this on my mobile so it's not on my work Mac.
posted on 19/7/16
To be fair, Mudd. I think it is by a large number of people, possibly even the majority of people - just that the others are more vocal perhaps.
posted on 19/7/16
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 57 seconds ago
sorry Lambeau I missed it.
Do you mind copying and pasting it. I'm doing this on my mobile so it's not on my work Mac.
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"Hi Kung Fu Cantona,
Would you not be willing to consider that - however unpleasant - radical Islam is just another variation on the interpretation of doctrine? Just because you might not agree with their interpretation, could it not be said that they are no more/less Muslim that you are; after all that is how they identify themselves, and the only difference between them and you is in the details.
Forgive my ignorance of your religion, but from an outside perspective this looks like another schism akin to the difference between Shias and Sunnis. Both groups identify, and are acknowledged as Muslims (I think).
I don't mean to disrespect your religion. It just that as someone not very familiar with Islam I consider this trend towards 'radical Islam' (hate that tag but don't know what else to call it) as something of a third variance of Islam, akin to the variety of sects you get in Christianity - Presbyterian. Lutherian, Methodist, Quaker etc."
posted on 19/7/16
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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I like to think that I'm courteous to muslims (or anyone else deserving of it).
posted on 19/7/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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The problem with all doctrine is that it's open to interpretation. From the perspective of an atheist, I don't feel that I have a right to say that a priest is any more/less Christian than a member of the KKK, just because one of them interprets the scriptures in a much friendlier way.
posted on 19/7/16
ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
--
Perhaps those you mentioned didn't put a bullet in a 10-year girls' head...
Keep comparing apples to oranges and let the world rot further under these self-proclaimed super human beings..
posted on 19/7/16
Perhaps those you mentioned didn't put a bullet in a 10-year girls' head...
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In fairness, neither did the Muslims on here who are often harshly derided for their beliefs. They don't condone this behaviour any more/less than you do, I'm certain.
posted on 19/7/16
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 57 seconds ago
sorry Lambeau I missed it.
Do you mind copying and pasting it. I'm doing this on my mobile so it's not on my work Mac.
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"Hi Kung Fu Cantona,
Would you not be willing to consider that - however unpleasant - radical Islam is just another variation on the interpretation of doctrine? Just because you might not agree with their interpretation, could it not be said that they are no more/less Muslim that you are; after all that is how they identify themselves, and the only difference between them and you is in the details.
Forgive my ignorance of your religion, but from an outside perspective this looks like another schism akin to the difference between Shias and Sunnis. Both groups identify, and are acknowledged as Muslims (I think).
I don't mean to disrespect your religion. It just that as someone not very familiar with Islam I consider this trend towards 'radical Islam' (hate that tag but don't know what else to call it) as something of a third variance of Islam, akin to the variety of sects you get in Christianity - Presbyterian. Lutherian, Methodist, Quaker etc."
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I think the way in which you framed your question is an example to everybody who wants to criticise something or in this case my religion.
You criticised it respectfully and ask me with a degree of sincerity. This I don't mind and actually enjoy asking questions.
This answer is going to be long, do you mind if I answer it later when I'm not at work. The short and sweet answer won't illustrate my points.
posted on 19/7/16
Kung Fu Cantona,
Sure, whenever's convenient.
posted on 19/7/16
comment by ABU - Babes, You Brex my heart! (U8613)
posted 7 minutes ago
ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
--
Perhaps those you mentioned didn't put a bullet in a 10-year girls' head...
Keep comparing apples to oranges and let the world rot further under these self-proclaimed super human beings..
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No they just made massive crosses and burned them alive instead or hung them from trees. Only the black veriaty of 10 year old girls though, so it's ok.
posted on 19/7/16
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kung Fu Cantona,
Sure, whenever's convenient.
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👍🏼
posted on 19/7/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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That is a strange way of thinking. It's like you only see "genuinely" religious people as good and following the version/interpretation of their religion that you agree with... that's as ridiculous as thinking all religious people are evil.
posted on 19/7/16
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem with all doctrine is that it's open to interpretation. From the perspective of an atheist, I don't feel that I have a right to say that a priest is any more/less Christian than a member of the KKK, just because one of them interprets the scriptures in a much friendlier way.
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I'm sorry but that is not accurate;
The bible and quran are very explicit when it comes to what its followers should do. There is no ambiguity. The Torah for example is "The Law."
You cannot call yourself a patriot and then commit treason.
posted on 19/7/16
comment by ABU - Babes, You Brex my heart! (U8613)
posted 15 minutes ago
ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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Perhaps those you mentioned didn't put a bullet in a 10-year girls' head...
Keep comparing apples to oranges and let the world rot further under these self-proclaimed super human beings..
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Are muslims the only people to kill children?
Do you know what the KKK did to that church Dylan Roof attacked?
Why do you enter into debates with so much ignorance? Do you have an urgent need to make yourself look stupid?
posted on 19/7/16
comment by Science (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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That is a strange way of thinking. It's like you only see "genuinely" religious people as good and following the version/interpretation of their religion that you agree with... that's as ridiculous as thinking all religious people are evil.
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No it is not. You cannot be a part time Christian/Muslim/Jew
You are one or you are not. All these faiths make it explicitly clear what it means to be a follower.
You have also made the mistake of mixing up religion and faith.
They are very different
posted on 19/7/16
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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Perhaps those you mentioned didn't put a bullet in a 10-year girls' head...
Keep comparing apples to oranges and let the world rot further under these self-proclaimed super human beings..
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No they just made massive crosses and burned them alive instead or hung them from trees. Only the black veriaty of 10 year old girls though, so it's ok.
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Haaa..... here you go the very first sign of "whataboutery" and "denial"... by linking racism to religion....
posted on 19/7/16
comment by ABU - Babes, You Brex my heart! (U8613)
posted 6 seconds ago
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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Perhaps those you mentioned didn't put a bullet in a 10-year girls' head...
Keep comparing apples to oranges and let the world rot further under these self-proclaimed super human beings..
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No they just made massive crosses and burned them alive instead or hung them from trees. Only the black veriaty of 10 year old girls though, so it's ok.
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Haaa..... here you go the very first sign of "whataboutery" and "denial"... by linking racism to religion....
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There is a direct link between racism and religion. It is the justification Americans used to enslave black people.
Again I ask, why do you enjoy making yourself look foolish?
posted on 19/7/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble - give peace a chance (U12215)
posted 34 minutes ago
It is interesting how many users have reference to Palestine within their user names but none have anything referring to the Syrians being forced to flee their country. Maybe because Jews aren't the bad guy in that scenario.
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It is interesting to see that you always seek to present muslims as bad people.
Even when others commit the same atrocities, you only see the muslim bit. Even in cases where people do worse, you only seek to blame the muslims.
I wonder why that is, it is behaviour atypical of a bigot
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Which muslims have i said are bad ? Try backing this up instead of just spouting crap.
posted on 19/7/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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The problem with all doctrine is that it's open to interpretation. From the perspective of an atheist, I don't feel that I have a right to say that a priest is any more/less Christian than a member of the KKK, just because one of them interprets the scriptures in a much friendlier way.
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I'm sorry but that is not accurate;
The bible and quran are very explicit when it comes to what its followers should do. There is no ambiguity. The Torah for example is "The Law."
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But there are passages in Timothy, Exodus and Psalms in the bible that advocate genocide, repressing women and dashing infant skulls on rocks, and slaves submitting to their master, all at the behest of 'the Lord Almighty.'
Like is said, open to interpretation. You interpret those actions as right, or you interpret them as out of date and not the true teaching of God.
posted on 19/7/16
Are muslims the only people to kill children?
Do you know what the KKK did to that church Dylan Roof attacked?
Why do you enter into debates with so much ignorance? Do you have an urgent need to make yourself look stupid?
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Listen to me for a second, research why Malala has got shot then talk to me..
No one attacked Dan Brown for his critical view on Christianity or his comments..
The world is slowly changing now, few people like you are knowingly or unknowingly taking the sides of these super human beings..very sad, very sad.
posted on 19/7/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Science (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 minutes ago
I find this debate quite depressing.
I certainly do not consider the priests that were molesting kids Christians, nor do I consider the KKK, neo nasis and white supremacist groups Christians because their message is at direct odds with the religion.faith.
Why is this courtesy not extended to muslims?
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That is a strange way of thinking. It's like you only see "genuinely" religious people as good and following the version/interpretation of their religion that you agree with... that's as ridiculous as thinking all religious people are evil.
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No it is not. You cannot be a part time Christian/Muslim/Jew
You are one or you are not. All these faiths make it explicitly clear what it means to be a follower.
You have also made the mistake of mixing up religion and faith.
They are very different
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What a ridiculous thing to say. Of course you can be a Christian and not follow every single letter of the bible. Even the current Pope doesn't FFS.
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