comment by Reddevilsdouble - give peace a chance (U12215)
posted 3 minutes ago
Mud, I dont hate muslims or any ethnic groups. Only those that seek to harm us or those that sympathise with these groups but don't have the bollox to admit it and therefore blame everyone else
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Please give us names?

comment by Curly - Warburton is He wears an OMNIPOTENT 🎩 (U1103)
posted 26 minutes ago
I cannot disagree with that MUDD
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Thanks for reading Curly, think RDD reported the post to the admins so it is gone.

It is a shame though it was some of the best stuff I've ever written here.

comment by Reddevilsdouble - give peace a chance (U12215)
posted 11 minutes ago
Mud, I dont hate muslims or any ethnic groups. Only those that seek to harm us or those that sympathise with these groups but don't have the bollox to admit it and therefore blame everyone else
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I'm sorry RDD, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck.

You remind me of people that say, I am not racist, I have black friends.

No person without bigoted or racist views would post the stuff you do on here.

The key things that settled this for me were your views on the gangs in Rochdale and your views of Syrian migration.

Maybe you can report this to the admins as well. Won't change the facts.

On a separate but related note, I assume you must hate our govt and the USA as their actions in the ME have made people want to harm us, correct?

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Kung Fu - It was i that asked the question of you. Is it not possible ISIS see their attacks on Europe as defensive warfare and therefore justified?

I can't believe how hard it is for you to digest simple information.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble - give peace a chance (U12215)
posted 3 minutes ago
Mud, I dont hate muslims or any ethnic groups. Only those that seek to harm us or those that sympathise with these groups but don't have the bollox to admit it and therefore blame everyone else
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Please give us names?
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Everyone knows who they are. It's very transparent to all on here. 👍

comment by Curly - Warburton is He wears an OMNIPOTENT 🎩 (U1103)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Curly - Warburton isHe wears an OMNIPOTENT 🎩(U1103)
posted 26 minutes ago
I cannot disagree with that MUDD
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Thanks for reading Curly, think RDD reported the post to the admins so it is gone.

It is a shame though it was some of the best stuff I've ever written here.
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I don't really understand why it was pulled as it was in no way offensive to anyone



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Was this bit: "It is unfortunate that people like RDD do not consider them human"

Means my hand pretty much gets forced when a complaint comes in. Definitely more indirect ways of making points without stating perceived views of poster X or Y.

Eg "It is unfortunate that some seem to... "

"You remind me of people that say, I am not racist, I have black friends' Says the man who constantly feels the need to tell is he has a Black, African wife lol

What were my views on the gangs in Rochdale and what was wrong with them?

Also, apart from.me considering the Syrians leaving safe countries migrants rather than refugees I'm not sure what you believe my views are re Syrian migrants or what was wrong with them.

RDD I can't believe how hard it is for you to just answer simple questions and read info given on here, you are impossible to debate because you don't offer anything.

I have answered you question and I told it isn't possible that it's defensive for the reasons stipulated in my long post and the two points a brought up in my original reply answering your question.

How many answers do you want?

Now answer my question since I have answered all of yours, are the Islamic rules of engagement more merciful than what we currently have in the west which allows for the use of indiscriminate weapons like nukes etc?

Here they are again.

“Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.”

And don't forget the bit about escorting those who have given up, back to safety.

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But do those rules apply when it is defensive warfare Kung Fu?

Also the word guidance suggests it is just a suggestion. Clearly open to interpretation and manipulation.

What if they believe these attacks are the right path? You have admitted after all that these people are dummies without a great understanding of Islam which can be difficult to interpret

comment by Reddevilsdouble - give peace a chance (U12215)
posted 13 minutes ago
But do those rules apply when it is defensive warfare Kung Fu?
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It's for any battle scenario, aggressive warfare like that of Blair/Bush and Daesh is illegal anyway for Muslims anyway and I have given examples of that.

So is it more merciful?

comment by Reddevilsdouble - give peace a chance (U12215)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also the word guidance suggests it is just a suggestion. Clearly open to interpretation and manipulation.

What if they believe these attacks are the right path? You have admitted after all that these people are dummies without a great understanding of Islam which can be difficult to interpret
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No RDD what you just did is manipulate what those words say.

Regardless are those ten rules more merciful?

I don't know Kung Fu. Do they aply if those responsible believe the attacks across Europe are defensive warfare and the right path?

And which words am I manipulating and how?

Much of the laws in which IS have implemented on the territory they control comes from various Islamic text and sources. They may ignore other text to suit their agenda, but this is to be expected due to the contradictions found within religious texts.

Actually much of what they use isn't Islamic but was used by powers in the early 1900s. The fact that people who know nothing about Islam equate it to Islam actually does show the problem isn't Islam itself.

The problem is people, Muslims and non-Muslims know quite little about it.

The word guidance!

It clearly isn't open for interpretation, everything Islamic is just guidance and you have the free will to chose the correct path or wrong path.

Like I said the apply in any battle scenario regardless of what that Muslim believes is true.

Yes of course they should apply!

That fact they haven't been used these rules should make you suspicious of who they tell you they are.

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 8 minutes ago
Much of the laws in which IS have implemented on the territory they control comes from various Islamic text and sources. They may ignore other text to suit their agenda, but this is to be expected due to the contradictions found within religious texts.
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Here we go.

Which Islamic text?

Please don't quote the Quran out of context as well.

Sniper, have you read the Quran entirely? Surly you'ed have to do that before knowing if it has any contradictions?

Kung Fu, I don't know why you try with RDD. He doesn't answer. He only baits people and I suspect is a bigot. You'll not get anything out of him. He's been proven wrong and still wrangles. He didn't even bother to give me any anti-West remarks from the turkey thread, which I cannot read as for some reason the page turns out blank.

He it's his little things and runs away, only to come back and twist what people say.

We can also see he complains to the admins as he has done with MUDD.

Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* -

It isn't just the Quran, but there is much unpleasant material found within the Hadith which the likes of IS to justify their actions. Like I said, I understand they ignore aspects of their religion, but other parts they actually follow more closely. This is often a problem with religious text, it can be moulded into whatever you want it to be.

84 -proven wrong on what?

I asked a question off the back of Kung Fu's post. People have said Islam can be difficult to interpret and sone of these is is fighters at rent the brightest. It is therefore possible they have misinterpreted it and believe they are on the right path.

Sniper the Hadith's are nothing like the Quran which is considered uncorrupted to Muslims and is the supreme book.

All scholars agree that Hadith's can be corrupted and are compiled in orders of reliability of the narrator which is still no guarantee. The Hadith's that are recognised to be corrupted by their narrators are also recorded purposefully to warn Muslims of corruption within the text. Some of these Hadith's were record hundreds of years after the Prophets death.

It's the Hadith's that correspond with the message of the Quran that are followed. Although admittedly the fact that the corrupted and uncorrupted Hadith's all being archived does give people like Daesh to trick naive individuals into thinking something is Islamic.

The Hadith's nor the narrators claim that these words are 100% Gods words only that reliable sources heard the prophet or his companions say x,y or z.

The Quran on the other hand is considered by Muslims to be the 100% uncorrupted word of God and in that you will find no contradictions or calls to violence which isn't defensive.

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