Absolutely no damage to SAF 's reputation.
He won what he won. And he would have continued winning without Pogba.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Absolutely no damage to SAF 's reputation.
He won what he won. And he would have continued winning without Pogba.
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This is absolutely spot on.
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 23 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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Not at all. He's a goalscorer and a match winner, these are the players who win you points and trophies. Pogba won't score many or win many games for United which makes the fee crazy, however he's the type of player United need and if you've got it, spend it.
Juve will be a better side now.
TBH SAF had already made the mistake with Pogba, us buying him back did nothing to change that.
Everyone had already acknowledged it was a mistake, its not as if this transfer proved he was really good whereas before that it wasn't a mistake.
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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whats wrong with Higuain or am I missing something? He is a better striker than most clubs have and although he cost too much in a world that Sterling and Debruyn cost 50 million what is the big deal?
I get the feeling some fans are trying hard to feel better about the pogba price.It doesnt matter in the bigger scheme of things, he is a superstar athlete who will replace the money in 2 seasons like Ronaldo did.
Its all relative.Higuain will score the goals that will make sure Juve win the league again and maybe do better in the CL.Big deal
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 23 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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Not at all. He's a goalscorer and a match winner, these are the players who win you points and trophies. Pogba won't score many or win many games for United which makes the fee crazy, however he's the type of player United need and if you've got it, spend it.
Juve will be a better side now.
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TBH the one player being a CM and the other being a ST doesn't really justify the deal considering its Higuaín and Pogba.
Also I'd argue the midfield is at least as important as the strikers when its comes to winning games and trophies.
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 3 minutes ago
TBH SAF had already made the mistake with Pogba, us buying him back did nothing to change that.
Everyone had already acknowledged it was a mistake, its not as if this transfer proved he was really good whereas before that it wasn't a mistake.
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Not true. The United board was almost in full agreement that you were right to let Pogba go. Didn't see many saying it was a mistake. Many opinions changed when United were linked with him however.
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 23 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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Not at all. He's a goalscorer and a match winner, these are the players who win you points and trophies. Pogba won't score many or win many games for United which makes the fee crazy, however he's the type of player United need and if you've got it, spend it.
Juve will be a better side now.
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TBH the one player being a CM and the other being a ST doesn't really justify the deal considering its Higuaín and Pogba.
Also I'd argue the midfield is at least as important as the strikers when its comes to winning games and trophies.
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No. The strikers are most important, hence they cost more. Goals win games.
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 23 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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Not at all. He's a goalscorer and a match winner, these are the players who win you points and trophies. Pogba won't score many or win many games for United which makes the fee crazy, however he's the type of player United need and if you've got it, spend it.
Juve will be a better side now.
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TBH the one player being a CM and the other being a ST doesn't really justify the deal considering its Higuaín and Pogba.
Also I'd argue the midfield is at least as important as the strikers when its comes to winning games and trophies.
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The problem with fans these days is they try to assume that there is a one player fits all.Other than Ronaldo and Messi, most players need to be played in particular systems and formations for them to flourish.
Its like the nonsense english pundits used to say about Xavi and Iniesta because they were not athletes only to see Barca rape united twice in CL finals.
At the end of the day if Allegri thinks Higuain is the man who will take Juve to the next level then so be it.Time will tell.Nobody can make sweeping statements with regards to what is a better deal.
Jose took a huge risk resigning Pogba for that fee but I can see why he did it.Its like assuming that because Ibra is csoring goals for united he is a striker arsenal should have bought.It doesnt work that way.Ibra would never work as a striker at arsenal the same way he flourishes in a Jose managed team.
Its all about style of play.
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posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 23 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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Not at all. He's a goalscorer and a match winner, these are the players who win you points and trophies. Pogba won't score many or win many games for United which makes the fee crazy, however he's the type of player United need and if you've got it, spend it.
Juve will be a better side now.
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TBH the one player being a CM and the other being a ST doesn't really justify the deal considering its Higuaín and Pogba.
Also I'd argue the midfield is at least as important as the strikers when its comes to winning games and trophies.
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No. The strikers are most important, hence they cost more. Goals win games.
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Good balanced view as usual
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 3 minutes ago
TBH SAF had already made the mistake with Pogba, us buying him back did nothing to change that.
Everyone had already acknowledged it was a mistake, its not as if this transfer proved he was really good whereas before that it wasn't a mistake.
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Not true. The United board was almost in full agreement that you were right to let Pogba go. Didn't see many saying it was a mistake. Many opinions changed when United were linked with him however.
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I'm not sure there is a single true word in this post...
United didn't really want to let him go.
Pogba has been constantly mentioned as a mistake, even as one of SAF's biggest for a good couple of years at least.
Some kind of alternate reality there?
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 23 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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Not at all. He's a goalscorer and a match winner, these are the players who win you points and trophies. Pogba won't score many or win many games for United which makes the fee crazy, however he's the type of player United need and if you've got it, spend it.
Juve will be a better side now.
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TBH the one player being a CM and the other being a ST doesn't really justify the deal considering its Higuaín and Pogba.
Also I'd argue the midfield is at least as important as the strikers when its comes to winning games and trophies.
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No. The strikers are most important, hence they cost more. Goals win games.
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Good luck scoring those trophy winning goals without a good midfield backing you up.
I mean there is a reason for Spain's period of dominance and it definitely isn't because they had the worlds best striker.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Absolutely no damage to SAF 's reputation.
He won what he won. And he would have continued winning without Pogba.
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SAF has had plenty of credit over the years for identifying and using young talents. Wasting a talent as HUGE as Pogba is therefore absulutely a dent in his reputation.
Anyone who cannot Seperate winning stuff and making g mistakes along the way is an idiot.
Utd are the winners. We have a truly world class player in a position that has been killing us for ages. The fee is not important. We can afford it.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1608291/juventus-striker-gonzalo-higuain-placed-on-strict-diet-in-order-to-fight-the-flab-quickly-following-huge-75m-move/
just look at teh size of that geeza-75mil-yeah right
He'll shed that in less than 2 weeks. Very common for athletes.
He's not a bad player but juve had their trousers pulled down on that deal. Still.....he'll end up top scorer and league champion I would imagine.
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
He'll shed that in less than 2 weeks. Very common for athletes.
He's not a bad player but juve had their trousers pulled down on that deal. Still.....he'll end up top scorer and league champion I would imagine.
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Higuain is a proven world class goalscorer in that league.
If we could go back in time, inject. Fergie with some monkey glands, and reinvigorate him, I believe that he would continue winning trophies without Pogba. Given another ten years career there would probably be another half dozen titles. Where would the mistake be then?
We don't know the ins and outs of the situation at the time, it's all conjecture.
Only an idiot wouldn't recognise this, oh hang on, it's RDD who doesn't grasp it.
Of course I am aware that RDD's level of football knowledge easily enables him to recognise Fergies errors.
I was very impressed with Pogba's performance on Friday night. He did very well and showed what we've been missing in midfield for too long. With no preseason under his belt, he was still impressive.
Yes he maybe ego eccentric and overpriced, but he's a special player and we can afford it.
52 we do agree on lots of things (one of my favourite posters tbh) but I just disagree on this.
SAF almost undoubtedly would have continued his success but that doesn't mean he never made mistakes. I'm sure he admitted himself he made a mistake with Stam even though we were still successful under him nobody is perfect everyone makes mistakes. He was just as damn close as we are going to get
I'm sure phelps has made plenty of mistakes, but just less than his opponents hence the crazy medal haul, although his body probably plays a part.
The American swimmer in case that wasn't obvious.
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posted on 21/8/16
Absolutely no damage to SAF 's reputation.
He won what he won. And he would have continued winning without Pogba.
posted on 21/8/16
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Absolutely no damage to SAF 's reputation.
He won what he won. And he would have continued winning without Pogba.
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This is absolutely spot on.
posted on 21/8/16
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
posted on 21/8/16
posted on 21/8/16
You forgot Adidas.
posted on 21/8/16
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 23 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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Not at all. He's a goalscorer and a match winner, these are the players who win you points and trophies. Pogba won't score many or win many games for United which makes the fee crazy, however he's the type of player United need and if you've got it, spend it.
Juve will be a better side now.
posted on 21/8/16
TBH SAF had already made the mistake with Pogba, us buying him back did nothing to change that.
Everyone had already acknowledged it was a mistake, its not as if this transfer proved he was really good whereas before that it wasn't a mistake.
posted on 21/8/16
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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whats wrong with Higuain or am I missing something? He is a better striker than most clubs have and although he cost too much in a world that Sterling and Debruyn cost 50 million what is the big deal?
I get the feeling some fans are trying hard to feel better about the pogba price.It doesnt matter in the bigger scheme of things, he is a superstar athlete who will replace the money in 2 seasons like Ronaldo did.
Its all relative.Higuain will score the goals that will make sure Juve win the league again and maybe do better in the CL.Big deal
posted on 21/8/16
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 23 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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Not at all. He's a goalscorer and a match winner, these are the players who win you points and trophies. Pogba won't score many or win many games for United which makes the fee crazy, however he's the type of player United need and if you've got it, spend it.
Juve will be a better side now.
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TBH the one player being a CM and the other being a ST doesn't really justify the deal considering its Higuaín and Pogba.
Also I'd argue the midfield is at least as important as the strikers when its comes to winning games and trophies.
posted on 21/8/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 3 minutes ago
TBH SAF had already made the mistake with Pogba, us buying him back did nothing to change that.
Everyone had already acknowledged it was a mistake, its not as if this transfer proved he was really good whereas before that it wasn't a mistake.
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Not true. The United board was almost in full agreement that you were right to let Pogba go. Didn't see many saying it was a mistake. Many opinions changed when United were linked with him however.
posted on 21/8/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 23 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not at all. He's a goalscorer and a match winner, these are the players who win you points and trophies. Pogba won't score many or win many games for United which makes the fee crazy, however he's the type of player United need and if you've got it, spend it.
Juve will be a better side now.
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TBH the one player being a CM and the other being a ST doesn't really justify the deal considering its Higuaín and Pogba.
Also I'd argue the midfield is at least as important as the strikers when its comes to winning games and trophies.
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No. The strikers are most important, hence they cost more. Goals win games.
posted on 21/8/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 23 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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Not at all. He's a goalscorer and a match winner, these are the players who win you points and trophies. Pogba won't score many or win many games for United which makes the fee crazy, however he's the type of player United need and if you've got it, spend it.
Juve will be a better side now.
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TBH the one player being a CM and the other being a ST doesn't really justify the deal considering its Higuaín and Pogba.
Also I'd argue the midfield is at least as important as the strikers when its comes to winning games and trophies.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem with fans these days is they try to assume that there is a one player fits all.Other than Ronaldo and Messi, most players need to be played in particular systems and formations for them to flourish.
Its like the nonsense english pundits used to say about Xavi and Iniesta because they were not athletes only to see Barca rape united twice in CL finals.
At the end of the day if Allegri thinks Higuain is the man who will take Juve to the next level then so be it.Time will tell.Nobody can make sweeping statements with regards to what is a better deal.
Jose took a huge risk resigning Pogba for that fee but I can see why he did it.Its like assuming that because Ibra is csoring goals for united he is a striker arsenal should have bought.It doesnt work that way.Ibra would never work as a striker at arsenal the same way he flourishes in a Jose managed team.
Its all about style of play.
posted on 21/8/16
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 23 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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Not at all. He's a goalscorer and a match winner, these are the players who win you points and trophies. Pogba won't score many or win many games for United which makes the fee crazy, however he's the type of player United need and if you've got it, spend it.
Juve will be a better side now.
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TBH the one player being a CM and the other being a ST doesn't really justify the deal considering its Higuaín and Pogba.
Also I'd argue the midfield is at least as important as the strikers when its comes to winning games and trophies.
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No. The strikers are most important, hence they cost more. Goals win games.
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Good balanced view as usual
posted on 21/8/16
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 3 minutes ago
TBH SAF had already made the mistake with Pogba, us buying him back did nothing to change that.
Everyone had already acknowledged it was a mistake, its not as if this transfer proved he was really good whereas before that it wasn't a mistake.
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Not true. The United board was almost in full agreement that you were right to let Pogba go. Didn't see many saying it was a mistake. Many opinions changed when United were linked with him however.
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I'm not sure there is a single true word in this post...
United didn't really want to let him go.
Pogba has been constantly mentioned as a mistake, even as one of SAF's biggest for a good couple of years at least.
Some kind of alternate reality there?
posted on 21/8/16
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Smalling_Jones_ (U16290)
posted 23 minutes ago
It's crazy how Juve effectively swapped Pogba for Higuain....what were they thinking?!
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Not at all. He's a goalscorer and a match winner, these are the players who win you points and trophies. Pogba won't score many or win many games for United which makes the fee crazy, however he's the type of player United need and if you've got it, spend it.
Juve will be a better side now.
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TBH the one player being a CM and the other being a ST doesn't really justify the deal considering its Higuaín and Pogba.
Also I'd argue the midfield is at least as important as the strikers when its comes to winning games and trophies.
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No. The strikers are most important, hence they cost more. Goals win games.
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Good luck scoring those trophy winning goals without a good midfield backing you up.
I mean there is a reason for Spain's period of dominance and it definitely isn't because they had the worlds best striker.
posted on 21/8/16
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Absolutely no damage to SAF 's reputation.
He won what he won. And he would have continued winning without Pogba.
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SAF has had plenty of credit over the years for identifying and using young talents. Wasting a talent as HUGE as Pogba is therefore absulutely a dent in his reputation.
Anyone who cannot Seperate winning stuff and making g mistakes along the way is an idiot.
posted on 21/8/16
Utd are the winners. We have a truly world class player in a position that has been killing us for ages. The fee is not important. We can afford it.
posted on 21/8/16
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1608291/juventus-striker-gonzalo-higuain-placed-on-strict-diet-in-order-to-fight-the-flab-quickly-following-huge-75m-move/
posted on 21/8/16
just look at teh size of that geeza-75mil-yeah right
posted on 21/8/16
He'll shed that in less than 2 weeks. Very common for athletes.
He's not a bad player but juve had their trousers pulled down on that deal. Still.....he'll end up top scorer and league champion I would imagine.
posted on 21/8/16
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
He'll shed that in less than 2 weeks. Very common for athletes.
He's not a bad player but juve had their trousers pulled down on that deal. Still.....he'll end up top scorer and league champion I would imagine.
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Higuain is a proven world class goalscorer in that league.
posted on 21/8/16
If we could go back in time, inject. Fergie with some monkey glands, and reinvigorate him, I believe that he would continue winning trophies without Pogba. Given another ten years career there would probably be another half dozen titles. Where would the mistake be then?
We don't know the ins and outs of the situation at the time, it's all conjecture.
Only an idiot wouldn't recognise this, oh hang on, it's RDD who doesn't grasp it.
posted on 21/8/16
Of course I am aware that RDD's level of football knowledge easily enables him to recognise Fergies errors.
posted on 21/8/16
I was very impressed with Pogba's performance on Friday night. He did very well and showed what we've been missing in midfield for too long. With no preseason under his belt, he was still impressive.
Yes he maybe ego eccentric and overpriced, but he's a special player and we can afford it.
posted on 21/8/16
52 we do agree on lots of things (one of my favourite posters tbh) but I just disagree on this.
SAF almost undoubtedly would have continued his success but that doesn't mean he never made mistakes. I'm sure he admitted himself he made a mistake with Stam even though we were still successful under him nobody is perfect everyone makes mistakes. He was just as damn close as we are going to get
I'm sure phelps has made plenty of mistakes, but just less than his opponents hence the crazy medal haul, although his body probably plays a part.
The American swimmer in case that wasn't obvious.
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