Also, people forget that Giggs actually used to defend in a 442 as well. He has even played at left back on a few occasions.
Apart from Bale and Nedved, none of the players being compared to Giggs could defend at all. In fact, some of them are/were liabilities without the ball.
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Mentioned this earlier but it goes over the head of a lot of people. Even Bale, whilst he can defend, has to do much less defending than Giggs and in some people's eyes attacking play is the only thing that counts so he does lose a lot from that.
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This is the biggest load of b*ll*cks I've read on this site.Well done.
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8bit is a wum, along the lines of mafiaboy or something, he intentionally writes crap for a reaction.
what is it you don't agree with? I'm putting down facts here. Even Pires won a legit player of the year award and not one out of pity.
I can't remember Giggs ever getting awarded something called a 'pity POTY' or Pires winning something called a 'legit player of the year'
You are taking your opinion and calling it fact...
That isn't facts.
So do you think Giggs was the best player in the league in the season when he started less than half the games? he robbed someone who was the rightful winner, they should have just made another lifetime achievement award and given it to him.
So Giggs got one wrongly but every other POTY was handed to exactly the right person....
Right...
TBH Giggs should have won one well earlier, he deserved one previously more than he didn't deserve the one he got.
it's always subjective who deserves it, except for Giggs' when it was used as a lifetime achievement award. The thinking at the time was it was unfair he didn't win one in his career, and that was the reason they voted for him. So it actually was out of pity.
8bit is really underrating Giggs but he has a point about him in comparison to Nedved and Figo. They reached higher levels than Giggs did. Arguably Pires too, especially in the year he was poty.
They gave Giggs the award because they realised they messed up by not giving one to him previously, I mean how can a player like Ginola have one but not Giggs.
The argument that POTY is perfect every year apart from the one year I don't like the choice is just silly.
Nedved I wouldn't argue too strongly, the one player you could put in Giggs position instead of him at the time.
Figo I more thought of as a right winger who could play on the left. I'd put him above Giggs tbh.
True but Giggs didn't deserve poty Ginola won it anyway Beckham did.
Sad to say but Ryan Giggs for me is was a far better all round footballer than Gareth Bale. Giggs had a lot more to his game. Bale for me is just strength and pace, if he has not got yard of acreage to run into, he becomes very ineffective, we saw that at Spurs where he had a lot of very anonymous games. Good player yes, but as a Welsh player he was not even Spurs best, Cliff Jones was the best Welshman ever in my book, Mike England was right up there as well.
I was only saying Giggs deserved the '99 POTY more than Ginola, although he wouldn't have been a terrible shout that year.
Yeah I agree. Ginola winning it was a joke really.
Longevity and consistency id say Giggs, most other things eventfully Bale.
I think we will see another slight step up from Bale in the next few years.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 27 minutes ago
it's always subjective who deserves it
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Then look up the difference between an opinion and a fact.
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 10 minutes ago
They gave Giggs the award because they realised they messed up by not giving one to him previously, I mean how can a player like Ginola have one but not Giggs.
The argument that POTY is perfect every year apart from the one year I don't like the choice is just silly.
Nedved I wouldn't argue too strongly, the one player you could put in Giggs position instead of him at the time.
Figo I more thought of as a right winger who could play on the left. I'd put him above Giggs tbh.
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it's completely different, other players may or may not have deserved it but they were at least one of the best players in that season if not the best. Giggs obviously wasn't even close and was given it because there was a massive love-in about his longevity at that time. Even if he did deserve to win it earlier that's not what the award is for. And you can't say Bale won it because of Britich bias and then say Giggs should have won it? If Giggs was that amazing, plus with British bias he would have won it.
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yeah I agree. Ginola winning it was a joke really.
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The United players that season probably split the vote allowing the Frenchman in.
Still, what would I prefer? United player winning POTY or a treble? Hmm....
Was so funny when Giggs won poty. The meltdowns were amazing.
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 27 minutes ago
it's always subjective who deserves it
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This is the most sensible thing you have said. Read your own words again and again and again until they actually sink in.
Then look up the difference between an opinion and a fact.
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subjective or not it's still a fact that Figo and Nedved won the Ballon D'or and Bale won 2x POTY. Just said I was stating facts because I was called a WUM That's not my reasoning for thinking Bale is better than Giggs.
Similarly you can't hold up the POTY as definitive proof but then take out or disregard the parts that don't fit.
He should have had the POTY earlier anyway, not that winning the POTY is a great measurement for being a better player or not.
Bale has as many POTY awards as Henry...
I guess they are equally good players?
Bale has twice as many POTY awards as Bergkamp, Dennis being one of those average players that only won one POTY like Giggs.
Whose the best PL CM?
Well the only one to win the POTY award of course, forget Viera, forget Keane, forget Scholes and forget Lampard.
Only Gerrard has a POTY.
Using POTY awards is clearly a flawed premise, picking and choosing which POTY awards are really meaningful and which don't count is just ridiculous... you may as well make your argument based on looks.
Giggs obviously wasn't even close
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Based on what? How do you know he wasn't close? Do you have the stats on all the POTY votes for every season in which Giggs played? By all accounts several United players were "close" to wining it in 1999 - including Giggs.
In fact this is precisely why Ginola won by default...So many United players were nominated and voted for that the split vote saw the award go to Ginola despite the fact that the majority of people who voted did NOT vote for Ginola.
You make stuff up and spout your opinions as fact which really just highlights your own ignorance and bias.
People remember players who win things.
If Bale stays at Real and wins more La Liga titles and the CL a couple of times, he'll be remembered as one of the all time greats of Welsh football, alongside Giggs.
That's not my reasoning for thinking Bale is better than Giggs.
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According to your "reasoning", players like Ginola, Beckham and Owen were better players than Giggs.
Which just shows that your reasoning is childlike bollox.
To be fair to Bale, he already has won the CL a couple of times, he is operating at a very very high level, and both of those CLs he had a fair amount of influence in. Sometimes, we can overestimate domestic achievements in comparison
Bale will need to move back to the prem if he wants to win a league title.
Could argue both ways regarding their honours.
I think Bale will pick up CL's easier than Giggs due to things apart from each players ability, but on the other side of that Giggs picked up league title's easier than Bale has (and will) due to other factors apart from his ability.
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posted on 6/9/16
Also, people forget that Giggs actually used to defend in a 442 as well. He has even played at left back on a few occasions.
Apart from Bale and Nedved, none of the players being compared to Giggs could defend at all. In fact, some of them are/were liabilities without the ball.
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Mentioned this earlier but it goes over the head of a lot of people. Even Bale, whilst he can defend, has to do much less defending than Giggs and in some people's eyes attacking play is the only thing that counts so he does lose a lot from that.
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This is the biggest load of b*ll*cks I've read on this site.Well done.
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8bit is a wum, along the lines of mafiaboy or something, he intentionally writes crap for a reaction.
posted on 6/9/16
what is it you don't agree with? I'm putting down facts here. Even Pires won a legit player of the year award and not one out of pity.
posted on 6/9/16
I can't remember Giggs ever getting awarded something called a 'pity POTY' or Pires winning something called a 'legit player of the year'
You are taking your opinion and calling it fact...
That isn't facts.
posted on 6/9/16
So do you think Giggs was the best player in the league in the season when he started less than half the games? he robbed someone who was the rightful winner, they should have just made another lifetime achievement award and given it to him.
posted on 6/9/16
So Giggs got one wrongly but every other POTY was handed to exactly the right person....
Right...
TBH Giggs should have won one well earlier, he deserved one previously more than he didn't deserve the one he got.
posted on 6/9/16
it's always subjective who deserves it, except for Giggs' when it was used as a lifetime achievement award. The thinking at the time was it was unfair he didn't win one in his career, and that was the reason they voted for him. So it actually was out of pity.
posted on 6/9/16
8bit is really underrating Giggs but he has a point about him in comparison to Nedved and Figo. They reached higher levels than Giggs did. Arguably Pires too, especially in the year he was poty.
posted on 6/9/16
They gave Giggs the award because they realised they messed up by not giving one to him previously, I mean how can a player like Ginola have one but not Giggs.
The argument that POTY is perfect every year apart from the one year I don't like the choice is just silly.
Nedved I wouldn't argue too strongly, the one player you could put in Giggs position instead of him at the time.
Figo I more thought of as a right winger who could play on the left. I'd put him above Giggs tbh.
posted on 6/9/16
True but Giggs didn't deserve poty Ginola won it anyway Beckham did.
posted on 6/9/16
Sad to say but Ryan Giggs for me is was a far better all round footballer than Gareth Bale. Giggs had a lot more to his game. Bale for me is just strength and pace, if he has not got yard of acreage to run into, he becomes very ineffective, we saw that at Spurs where he had a lot of very anonymous games. Good player yes, but as a Welsh player he was not even Spurs best, Cliff Jones was the best Welshman ever in my book, Mike England was right up there as well.
posted on 6/9/16
I was only saying Giggs deserved the '99 POTY more than Ginola, although he wouldn't have been a terrible shout that year.
posted on 6/9/16
Yeah I agree. Ginola winning it was a joke really.
posted on 6/9/16
Longevity and consistency id say Giggs, most other things eventfully Bale.
I think we will see another slight step up from Bale in the next few years.
posted on 6/9/16
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 27 minutes ago
it's always subjective who deserves it
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This is the most sensible thing you have said. Read your own words again and again and again until they actually sink in.
Then look up the difference between an opinion and a fact.
posted on 6/9/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 10 minutes ago
They gave Giggs the award because they realised they messed up by not giving one to him previously, I mean how can a player like Ginola have one but not Giggs.
The argument that POTY is perfect every year apart from the one year I don't like the choice is just silly.
Nedved I wouldn't argue too strongly, the one player you could put in Giggs position instead of him at the time.
Figo I more thought of as a right winger who could play on the left. I'd put him above Giggs tbh.
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it's completely different, other players may or may not have deserved it but they were at least one of the best players in that season if not the best. Giggs obviously wasn't even close and was given it because there was a massive love-in about his longevity at that time. Even if he did deserve to win it earlier that's not what the award is for. And you can't say Bale won it because of Britich bias and then say Giggs should have won it? If Giggs was that amazing, plus with British bias he would have won it.
posted on 6/9/16
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yeah I agree. Ginola winning it was a joke really.
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The United players that season probably split the vote allowing the Frenchman in.
Still, what would I prefer? United player winning POTY or a treble? Hmm....
posted on 6/9/16
Was so funny when Giggs won poty. The meltdowns were amazing.
posted on 6/9/16
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 27 minutes ago
it's always subjective who deserves it
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This is the most sensible thing you have said. Read your own words again and again and again until they actually sink in.
Then look up the difference between an opinion and a fact.
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subjective or not it's still a fact that Figo and Nedved won the Ballon D'or and Bale won 2x POTY. Just said I was stating facts because I was called a WUM That's not my reasoning for thinking Bale is better than Giggs.
posted on 6/9/16
Similarly you can't hold up the POTY as definitive proof but then take out or disregard the parts that don't fit.
He should have had the POTY earlier anyway, not that winning the POTY is a great measurement for being a better player or not.
Bale has as many POTY awards as Henry...
I guess they are equally good players?
Bale has twice as many POTY awards as Bergkamp, Dennis being one of those average players that only won one POTY like Giggs.
Whose the best PL CM?
Well the only one to win the POTY award of course, forget Viera, forget Keane, forget Scholes and forget Lampard.
Only Gerrard has a POTY.
Using POTY awards is clearly a flawed premise, picking and choosing which POTY awards are really meaningful and which don't count is just ridiculous... you may as well make your argument based on looks.
posted on 6/9/16
Giggs obviously wasn't even close
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Based on what? How do you know he wasn't close? Do you have the stats on all the POTY votes for every season in which Giggs played? By all accounts several United players were "close" to wining it in 1999 - including Giggs.
In fact this is precisely why Ginola won by default...So many United players were nominated and voted for that the split vote saw the award go to Ginola despite the fact that the majority of people who voted did NOT vote for Ginola.
You make stuff up and spout your opinions as fact which really just highlights your own ignorance and bias.
posted on 6/9/16
People remember players who win things.
If Bale stays at Real and wins more La Liga titles and the CL a couple of times, he'll be remembered as one of the all time greats of Welsh football, alongside Giggs.
posted on 6/9/16
That's not my reasoning for thinking Bale is better than Giggs.
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According to your "reasoning", players like Ginola, Beckham and Owen were better players than Giggs.
Which just shows that your reasoning is childlike bollox.
posted on 6/9/16
To be fair to Bale, he already has won the CL a couple of times, he is operating at a very very high level, and both of those CLs he had a fair amount of influence in. Sometimes, we can overestimate domestic achievements in comparison
posted on 6/9/16
Bale will need to move back to the prem if he wants to win a league title.
posted on 6/9/16
Could argue both ways regarding their honours.
I think Bale will pick up CL's easier than Giggs due to things apart from each players ability, but on the other side of that Giggs picked up league title's easier than Bale has (and will) due to other factors apart from his ability.
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