So the triggering of Article 50 requires an act of Parliament.
In my view, this will really call upon the government to make their plans clear to parliament as to "what Brexit means"
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The government have already set out their desire to leave the SM and customs union. It's therefore critical for an agreement to be reached for access to both within the two years available.
Worth noting that whatever the government want, there's no guarantee they will get it. Or if they do, there will be significant financial implications. Ie the UK pay billions into the EU budget.
With this being debated in parliament, there will be differing opinions on the stance the government should take in negotiations.
This will be a measure that will further direct the government as to what is important to the British economy.
#stillpartoftheEU
Good news that devolved govts cannot prevent the UK as a whole leaving...tough luck Sturgeon.
Parliament will not stop brexit either, as labour, Dup and Tory respect the British people, unlike!ethe SNP and lib dems.
Parliamentary democracy in action....three cheers for our judges😋
Nothing to do with sturgeon and everything to do with the SNP's raison d'etre...it's all in their name.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 14 minutes ago
Good news that devolved govts cannot prevent the UK as a whole leaving...tough luck Sturgeon.
Parliament will not stop brexit either, as labour, Dup and Tory respect the British people, unlike!ethe SNP and lib dems.
Parliamentary democracy in action....three cheers for our judges😋
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You realise the Welsh and Scottish governments have provided the government with white paper's setting out their Brexit requirements.
The NI executive have provided nothing, and are no longer in a position to do so.
Our interests will not even form part of brexit negotiations. A hard customs boarder is inevitable, which puts the peace process at risk. Today's decision is the most damaging outcome that has occurred to the province since the troubles.
Which percentage of the British people decided to leave the single market?
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 15 minutes ago
Which percentage of the British people decided to leave the single market?
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I think the main issue is that most didn't even know what the SM was when voting. Or at least not the full extent of it's significance.
It was simply numbers. We pay X for membership, and if we leave we'll spend Y and Z on UK Infrastructure.
What wasn't considered is the countless ancillary services being in the SM provides. Any perceived savings from EU budget contributions will be lost (and then some) via self governance costs that the EU previously provided.
Hope the Irish build a wall....and get Britain to pay for it!
Hard border with gates, pill boxes, razor wire, customs posts and bureau de changes...
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
Nothing to do with sturgeon and everything to do with the SNP's raison d'etre...it's all in their name.
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Sturgeon wanted devolved govt to stop brexit, but judges today binned that.
Nice to see remain backing an unelected House of Lords to stall brexit😝
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Which percentage of the British people decided to leave the single market?
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That would be 52 Per cent.......we were told.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 14 minutes ago
Good news that devolved govts cannot prevent the UK as a whole leaving...tough luck Sturgeon.
Parliament will not stop brexit either, as labour, Dup and Tory respect the British people, unlike!ethe SNP and lib dems.
Parliamentary democracy in action....three cheers for our judges😋
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You realise the Welsh and Scottish governments have provided the government with white paper's setting out their Brexit requirements.
The NI executive have provided nothing, and are no longer in a position to do so.
Our interests will not even form part of brexit negotiations. A hard customs boarder is inevitable, which puts the peace process at risk. Today's decision is the most damaging outcome that has occurred to the province since the troubles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
OTT buddy, as judges simply backed the UK democratic vote.
Shinners did not have to collapse Storms nt, but the Provo hard-line wa ted away,,led by Adams.Arlene messed up, but Provo's robbed the Northern bank and shot people, and we had to accept them in govt.
The DUP and 45 per cent of NI voter back brexit, against mass spin and lies from remain.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 9 minutes ago
Hope the Irish build a wall....and get Britain to pay for it!
Hard border with gates, pill boxes, razor wire, customs posts and bureau de changes...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rather partitionist.....I prefer working together in the UK and with Eire.
I wonder if sturgeon wants a hard border with England?
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 14 minutes ago
Good news that devolved govts cannot prevent the UK as a whole leaving...tough luck Sturgeon.
Parliament will not stop brexit either, as labour, Dup and Tory respect the British people, unlike!ethe SNP and lib dems.
Parliamentary democracy in action....three cheers for our judges😋
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You realise the Welsh and Scottish governments have provided the government with white paper's setting out their Brexit requirements.
The NI executive have provided nothing, and are no longer in a position to do so.
Our interests will not even form part of brexit negotiations. A hard customs boarder is inevitable, which puts the peace process at risk. Today's decision is the most damaging outcome that has occurred to the province since the troubles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
OTT buddy, as judges simply backed the UK democratic vote.
Shinners did not have to collapse Storms nt, but the Provo hard-line wa ted away,,led by Adams.Arlene messed up, but Provo's robbed the Northern bank and shot people, and we had to accept them in govt.
The DUP and 45 per cent of NI voter back brexit, against mass spin and lies from remain.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Having read bits and pieces on the RHI scheme there may be grounds to prosecute Foster. She's in trouble big time.
The boarder stuff I posted is far from ott. We're not getting 'special status' as Spain (amongst others) will veto due to Gibraltar. So will Catalonia.
The Belfast agreement is enshrined by EU legislation. The EU paid for most of it! As I mentioned previously, the UK leaving the customs union will have grave implications for the peace process.
The other references you made are unrelated to brexit and the NI constitution.
How is peace threatened by future customs trade deals?That is OTT, imo.
The RHI scheme was dodgy, but my point was shinners got away with bank jobs, murder, fuel launering etc, and we let local govt roll on.
The uk paid in more than we got from Brussels, so NI can get redirected finance.
Cheer up Pearce.....you are waytoodour about our ability to adapt and succeed.
thebluebellsareblue
With respect it appears you haven't done your homework on this. Did you read the House of lords select committee report I posted a while back??
Here are the conclusions:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/76/7609.htm#_idTextAnchor133
This view is pretty much universal across the board. DUP (who will do what the Tory's tell them) aside. From invest NI, to the Farmers Union, financial services, fisheries etc etc etc.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 38 minutes ago
thebluebellsareblue
With respect it appears you haven't done your homework on this. Did you read the House of lords select committee report I posted a while back??
Here are the conclusions:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/76/7609.htm#_idTextAnchor133
This view is pretty much universal across the board. DUP (who will do what the Tory's tell them) aside. From invest NI, to the Farmers Union, financial services, fisheries etc etc etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Off to bed now but to clarify leaving the EU customs union will necessitate a customs boarder between North and South.
All NI produce and goods entering the ROI will need to be inspected for EU conformity regulations and country of origin checks. To name but two regulatory requirements.
So whether the island of Ireland wants a customs boarder, it may be forced upon us. Unless the UK government can persuade the EU27 (and 38 regional governments) otherwise.
As both the NIO and executive have failed to provide the government with NI's brexit requirements, (and will have no say in shaping negotiations) the chances of a hard boarder are extremely likely.
Democratic when it suits you tbab.
The Nationalists hold the majority in Scotland's devolved Government and the vast majority of scottish Westminster seats, how very dare their first minister express their opinion on what they think is in Scotland's national interest.
The mother of all Parliaments has always had 2 houses, part of this country's checks and balances, if you don't like it push for a referendum to change it.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 9 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Which percentage of the British people decided to leave the single market?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would be 52 Per cent.......we were told.
-----------------
Incorrect. Have another go when you wake up.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-us-trade-deal-donald-trump-theresa-may-nhs-privatised-food-standards-beef-chicken-a7545536.html
==========
What could possibly go wrong??!
Selling the NHS to the US giant and in parallel, agree a deal that would see UK supermarket fill up with US food standard. This has to be the best business plan in a while. "get them sick and then charge them fortune to cure them".
It was all worth it leaving EU standard afterall...
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=0
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=0
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Well if that were to happen, then Brexiters won't have to be worried anymore. It will be the EU who will tempted to close its borders.
It's not just food standard regs but ensuring UK Agri businesses are protected. If there ever was a UK/US trade agreement, they'd be swamped by the sheer size and volume of US farm produce.
As the Trump administration looks to disregard universally accepted environmental protections, UK Agri businesses would have to have to produce exclusively for each market.
One which conformed to EU regulations, and another for the US. I'm no economist but I'd imagine production/administration/shipping costs would deem US exports completely uncompetitive for UK businesses.
Tim Farron and his 'Brexit Destination'™.....
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posted on 24/1/17
So the triggering of Article 50 requires an act of Parliament.
In my view, this will really call upon the government to make their plans clear to parliament as to "what Brexit means"
posted on 24/1/17
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 24/1/17
The government have already set out their desire to leave the SM and customs union. It's therefore critical for an agreement to be reached for access to both within the two years available.
Worth noting that whatever the government want, there's no guarantee they will get it. Or if they do, there will be significant financial implications. Ie the UK pay billions into the EU budget.
posted on 24/1/17
With this being debated in parliament, there will be differing opinions on the stance the government should take in negotiations.
This will be a measure that will further direct the government as to what is important to the British economy.
#stillpartoftheEU
posted on 24/1/17
Good news that devolved govts cannot prevent the UK as a whole leaving...tough luck Sturgeon.
Parliament will not stop brexit either, as labour, Dup and Tory respect the British people, unlike!ethe SNP and lib dems.
Parliamentary democracy in action....three cheers for our judges😋
posted on 24/1/17
Nothing to do with sturgeon and everything to do with the SNP's raison d'etre...it's all in their name.
posted on 24/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 14 minutes ago
Good news that devolved govts cannot prevent the UK as a whole leaving...tough luck Sturgeon.
Parliament will not stop brexit either, as labour, Dup and Tory respect the British people, unlike!ethe SNP and lib dems.
Parliamentary democracy in action....three cheers for our judges😋
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You realise the Welsh and Scottish governments have provided the government with white paper's setting out their Brexit requirements.
The NI executive have provided nothing, and are no longer in a position to do so.
Our interests will not even form part of brexit negotiations. A hard customs boarder is inevitable, which puts the peace process at risk. Today's decision is the most damaging outcome that has occurred to the province since the troubles.
posted on 24/1/17
Which percentage of the British people decided to leave the single market?
posted on 24/1/17
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 15 minutes ago
Which percentage of the British people decided to leave the single market?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the main issue is that most didn't even know what the SM was when voting. Or at least not the full extent of it's significance.
It was simply numbers. We pay X for membership, and if we leave we'll spend Y and Z on UK Infrastructure.
What wasn't considered is the countless ancillary services being in the SM provides. Any perceived savings from EU budget contributions will be lost (and then some) via self governance costs that the EU previously provided.
posted on 24/1/17
Hope the Irish build a wall....and get Britain to pay for it!
Hard border with gates, pill boxes, razor wire, customs posts and bureau de changes...
posted on 24/1/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
Nothing to do with sturgeon and everything to do with the SNP's raison d'etre...it's all in their name.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sturgeon wanted devolved govt to stop brexit, but judges today binned that.
Nice to see remain backing an unelected House of Lords to stall brexit😝
posted on 24/1/17
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Which percentage of the British people decided to leave the single market?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would be 52 Per cent.......we were told.
posted on 24/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 14 minutes ago
Good news that devolved govts cannot prevent the UK as a whole leaving...tough luck Sturgeon.
Parliament will not stop brexit either, as labour, Dup and Tory respect the British people, unlike!ethe SNP and lib dems.
Parliamentary democracy in action....three cheers for our judges😋
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You realise the Welsh and Scottish governments have provided the government with white paper's setting out their Brexit requirements.
The NI executive have provided nothing, and are no longer in a position to do so.
Our interests will not even form part of brexit negotiations. A hard customs boarder is inevitable, which puts the peace process at risk. Today's decision is the most damaging outcome that has occurred to the province since the troubles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
OTT buddy, as judges simply backed the UK democratic vote.
Shinners did not have to collapse Storms nt, but the Provo hard-line wa ted away,,led by Adams.Arlene messed up, but Provo's robbed the Northern bank and shot people, and we had to accept them in govt.
The DUP and 45 per cent of NI voter back brexit, against mass spin and lies from remain.
posted on 24/1/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 9 minutes ago
Hope the Irish build a wall....and get Britain to pay for it!
Hard border with gates, pill boxes, razor wire, customs posts and bureau de changes...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rather partitionist.....I prefer working together in the UK and with Eire.
I wonder if sturgeon wants a hard border with England?
posted on 24/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 14 minutes ago
Good news that devolved govts cannot prevent the UK as a whole leaving...tough luck Sturgeon.
Parliament will not stop brexit either, as labour, Dup and Tory respect the British people, unlike!ethe SNP and lib dems.
Parliamentary democracy in action....three cheers for our judges😋
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You realise the Welsh and Scottish governments have provided the government with white paper's setting out their Brexit requirements.
The NI executive have provided nothing, and are no longer in a position to do so.
Our interests will not even form part of brexit negotiations. A hard customs boarder is inevitable, which puts the peace process at risk. Today's decision is the most damaging outcome that has occurred to the province since the troubles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
OTT buddy, as judges simply backed the UK democratic vote.
Shinners did not have to collapse Storms nt, but the Provo hard-line wa ted away,,led by Adams.Arlene messed up, but Provo's robbed the Northern bank and shot people, and we had to accept them in govt.
The DUP and 45 per cent of NI voter back brexit, against mass spin and lies from remain.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Having read bits and pieces on the RHI scheme there may be grounds to prosecute Foster. She's in trouble big time.
The boarder stuff I posted is far from ott. We're not getting 'special status' as Spain (amongst others) will veto due to Gibraltar. So will Catalonia.
The Belfast agreement is enshrined by EU legislation. The EU paid for most of it! As I mentioned previously, the UK leaving the customs union will have grave implications for the peace process.
The other references you made are unrelated to brexit and the NI constitution.
posted on 24/1/17
How is peace threatened by future customs trade deals?That is OTT, imo.
The RHI scheme was dodgy, but my point was shinners got away with bank jobs, murder, fuel launering etc, and we let local govt roll on.
The uk paid in more than we got from Brussels, so NI can get redirected finance.
Cheer up Pearce.....you are waytoodour about our ability to adapt and succeed.
posted on 24/1/17
thebluebellsareblue
With respect it appears you haven't done your homework on this. Did you read the House of lords select committee report I posted a while back??
Here are the conclusions:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/76/7609.htm#_idTextAnchor133
This view is pretty much universal across the board. DUP (who will do what the Tory's tell them) aside. From invest NI, to the Farmers Union, financial services, fisheries etc etc etc.
posted on 24/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 38 minutes ago
thebluebellsareblue
With respect it appears you haven't done your homework on this. Did you read the House of lords select committee report I posted a while back??
Here are the conclusions:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/76/7609.htm#_idTextAnchor133
This view is pretty much universal across the board. DUP (who will do what the Tory's tell them) aside. From invest NI, to the Farmers Union, financial services, fisheries etc etc etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Off to bed now but to clarify leaving the EU customs union will necessitate a customs boarder between North and South.
All NI produce and goods entering the ROI will need to be inspected for EU conformity regulations and country of origin checks. To name but two regulatory requirements.
So whether the island of Ireland wants a customs boarder, it may be forced upon us. Unless the UK government can persuade the EU27 (and 38 regional governments) otherwise.
As both the NIO and executive have failed to provide the government with NI's brexit requirements, (and will have no say in shaping negotiations) the chances of a hard boarder are extremely likely.
posted on 25/1/17
Democratic when it suits you tbab.
The Nationalists hold the majority in Scotland's devolved Government and the vast majority of scottish Westminster seats, how very dare their first minister express their opinion on what they think is in Scotland's national interest.
The mother of all Parliaments has always had 2 houses, part of this country's checks and balances, if you don't like it push for a referendum to change it.
posted on 25/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 9 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Which percentage of the British people decided to leave the single market?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would be 52 Per cent.......we were told.
-----------------
Incorrect. Have another go when you wake up.
posted on 25/1/17
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-us-trade-deal-donald-trump-theresa-may-nhs-privatised-food-standards-beef-chicken-a7545536.html
==========
What could possibly go wrong??!
Selling the NHS to the US giant and in parallel, agree a deal that would see UK supermarket fill up with US food standard. This has to be the best business plan in a while. "get them sick and then charge them fortune to cure them".
It was all worth it leaving EU standard afterall...
posted on 25/1/17
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=0
posted on 25/1/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=0
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well if that were to happen, then Brexiters won't have to be worried anymore. It will be the EU who will tempted to close its borders.
posted on 25/1/17
It's not just food standard regs but ensuring UK Agri businesses are protected. If there ever was a UK/US trade agreement, they'd be swamped by the sheer size and volume of US farm produce.
As the Trump administration looks to disregard universally accepted environmental protections, UK Agri businesses would have to have to produce exclusively for each market.
One which conformed to EU regulations, and another for the US. I'm no economist but I'd imagine production/administration/shipping costs would deem US exports completely uncompetitive for UK businesses.
posted on 26/1/17
Tim Farron and his 'Brexit Destination'™.....
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