After the last debate I watched a bit of Megan Kelly on Fox. It was clear that Fox have given up on him, much like his party has.

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Mika on Morning Joe is still stunned by Trumps comments even though she knows she shouldn't be.

the left wing media elite isn't a term ive created im sure you know what im "on about"

omment by jedward belmont (U3109)
posted 2 minutes ago
the left wing media elite isn't a term ive created im sure you know what im "on about"

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No I do not know who you are on about. Who are these people?

He's talking about CNN, ABC, etc.

comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 45 seconds ago
He's talking about CNN, ABC, etc.

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I doubt he even knows who they are.

It has become a term that those who would defend these people know they have to dismantle
They still very much exist,and like I say they are going to be very disappointed in how the election pans out
That's my point

jedward

You don't even know who you are on about, so you don't really have a valid point.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 14 minutes ago
jedward

Who is this elite left wing that you are on about?
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Much of the modern pc facist brigade, prevalent in university, social media, arts, tv and political circles.

Them lot😠

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 22 minutes ago
Most are left leaning in terms of democrat rather than republican. It depends how far to the left you're thinking though.
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The Democrats have been a centrist party, if not right leaning (by international standards), for decades.

Pro-big business, pro-private investment in and managerial control of a limited state sector, anti-redistributionist, disinterested in workers' rights...

They are relatively socially liberal, but in fiscal and socio-interventionist terms hardly a statist party. In Europe they'd more likely be considered a centre-right institution than left leaning.

Which is why I said it depends, I imagined you were thinking more left It also depends how much we mix politics and economics, bearing in mind the confines of the system.

There's a difficulty with the need for impartiality in media with someone like Trump. News organisations are aren't supposed to take sides and they're not well equipped to point it out when someone departs from usual norms of political debate and lies so egregiously. Meanwhile the advertising people (ie their bosses) love what it's doing as entertainment to the ratings, so they're encouraged to pretend it's not a shockingly bad level of discourse and a corrosive phenomenon that they are facilitating.

Apparently there are 4 times as many democratic journalists as republicans in America. and out of 72 white house reporters none are republicans... what left wing bias

About 30% are democrats and the rest not registered to a party so they're not all democrats though!

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 9 minutes ago
Apparently there are 4 times as many democratic journalists as republicans in America. and out of 72 white house reporters none are republicans... what left wing bias
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Exactly, and how many non- left comics around, or film makers?

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 20 minutes ago
Which is why I said it depends, I imagined you were thinking more leftIt also depends how much we mix politics and economics, bearing in mind the confines of the system.
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Yeah, I think it is pretty common to consider economic policy and social policy as two fairly discrete 'global' attributes in modern political positioning.

You've got the 'traditional' positions of, if you like, post-war British socialism and say Thatcherite conservatism. The first might be considered to have had a liberal, economic statist agenda; the second, a conservative, economic minarchist agenda. Completely opposite ends of the spectrum on both fronts.

The modern day Democrats are a socially liberal party, but not, by any European standard at least, a statist party. For me, this actually sits them in the same ballpark as the Tories and Merkel's CDU.

Interesting that the debate in Western Europe, until very recently at least, has more often than not in modern history been about economic policy and state interventionism; by and large, previously significant issues in social policy such as equality in rights for the LGBT community, reproductive rights, freedom of expression of religion, policing and security, etc. have been much lower on the agenda, with a relatively liberal public consensus.

It seems almost the opposite in the US. The issues that come up time and again in debates are sociopolitical: gun control, reproductive rights, immigration (for the moment, of course, all the rage in the UK), race relations, etc. Meanwhile, the Democrats and Republicans actually deliver (although they'd of course have you believe otherwise) *relatively* similar solutions fiscally.

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 18 minutes ago
Apparently there are 4 times as many democratic journalists as republicans in America. and out of 72 white house reporters none are republicans... what left wing bias
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Many would argue that a good proportion of Democrats would be considered right of centre on the political spectrum, certainly in consideration of economic policy and state intervention (see my post above).

Certainly the Democratic Party of Mr Clinton and Obama were/are closer in economic policy to the Tories than Labour.

I'd say more in line with Blairs Labour, at least if Clinton sticks to some of the concessions Sanders made her do.

Still, my point was more that economically, I agree there is very little difference, whereas there is in other areas. I would agree they have shifted right more in the last couple of decades (I think they'll shift left over the next decade though)

There is a reason for the bias. They are generally intelligent people, the Republican party, like the the Conservatives are the stupid party.

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comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
There's no contest.

America knows this, and will stick with the establishment and elect the lesser of two evils.
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Trump to win comfortably then!
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Trump ten pts behind and republican leaders have dropped the Hairman.
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My comment was in jest, however, there's no doubting Clinton is just as, if not more so, dangerous.
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Agreed.


Hilary is as ego driven and obnoxious as Trump, but pretends to be feminist, even though she went after women abused by durty Bill.
Democrats are all over recent failed war regime changes, and Hilary could start war with Putin.

I would not vote there.
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Facts will help a good argument

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/

"Trump's blanket charge that Clinton "viciously" attacked these women to be an exaggeration too far"

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comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 18 minutes ago
Apparently there are 4 times as many democratic journalists as republicans in America. and out of 72 white house reporters none are republicans... what left wing bias
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Many would argue that a good proportion of Democrats would be considered right of centre on the political spectrum, certainly in consideration of economic policy and state intervention (see my post above).

Certainly the Democratic Party of Mr Clinton and Obama were/are closer in economic policy to the Tories than Labour.
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Americans would see Democrats as left wing in the culture they grew up in but agree they are more similar to our Tory party.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
There is a reason for the bias. They are generally intelligent people, the Republican party, like the the Conservatives are the stupid party.
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This video seems relevant considering the debate One line from it is something like 'if liberals are so smart why do they always lose' The dude nails it though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs

about the bias if they were intelligent and their policies and philosophy were better they wouldn't need to try and brainwash people with the bias. and it's failing because it led to brexit and may well lead to Trump. People can see through it, we live in the age of information and more and more think for themselves instead of being spoonfed by the media.

The definition of liberal is to accept other people's beliefs even if you disagree but these new liberals are the most intolerant people out there. if you don't agree with their beliefs they will attack you even though we supposedly live in a free society. Do we really live in a free society when views that lots of people have, that aren't illegal but are unacceptable to say in public?

Manusince52

Not sure how you deduce that the Tories are a stupid party. I would say that a party who make themselves continually unelectable to the public are more stupid.

Unless this was you being sarcastic again.

about the bias if they were intelligent and their policies and philosophy were better they wouldn't need to try and brainwash people with the bias. and it's failing because it led to brexit and may well lead to Trump. People can see through it, we live in the age of information and more and more think for themselves instead of being spoonfed by the media.

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Priceless! Brexit was totally about brainwashing the uneducated masses with propaganda and lies. Same as Trump and his scaremongering campaign based on lies, hate and fear.

i think the wums veil has slipped

Because there was no propoganda and lies from Remain? They had the establishment and majority of the media and public figures behind them, so it's not leavers fault if they still failed to convince people.

BTW wikileaks released some embarrassing Clinton emails... but it got next to no coverage in the mainsteam media.

instead of talking about the content of the emails they talk about how it was the Russians who hacked them to help donald trump