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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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I think it is fair to say Iran has funded terror organisations.
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And Mossad has carried out assassinations on foreign nationals outside Isreals borders.
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Yes but they targeted known terrorists unlike some of Iran's actions..
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Mossad has killed nuclear scientists...Scientists!

Their only crime, being born Iranian.

Isreal don't even admit to having nuclear weapons, Isreali Mordacai Vanuni (spelling?) was jailed for years by the Isrealis for telling the truth.

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Jose

Can you even bring yourself to comdemn some of the Hamas covenant? In particular

Muslims killing Jews (note not Israelis)
The accusation they are behind every major War or Revolution in their quest for World domination.

The references to the Russian propoganda piece, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 19 minutes ago
Jose

Can you even bring yourself to comdemn some of the Hamas covenant? In particular

Muslims killing Jews (note not Israelis)
The accusation they are behind every major War or Revolution in their quest for World domination.

The references to the Russian propoganda piece, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
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you won't find muslims condemning anything Hamas does

comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 19 minutes ago
Jose

Can you even bring yourself to comdemn some of the Hamas covenant? In particular

Muslims killing Jews (note not Israelis)
The accusation they are behind every major War or Revolution in their quest for World domination.

The references to the Russian propoganda piece, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
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you won't find muslims condemning anything Hamas does
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You know Yes Way is a Muslim?

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 19 minutes ago
Jose

Can you even bring yourself to comdemn some of the Hamas covenant? In particular

Muslims killing Jews (note not Israelis)
The accusation they are behind every major War or Revolution in their quest for World domination.

The references to the Russian propoganda piece, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
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you won't find muslims condemning anything Hamas does
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You know Yes Way is a Muslim?
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What does that matter?

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HRH

Because Koemans said this;

"Can you even bring yourself to comdemn some of the Hamas covenant? In particular"

Followed by this;

"you won't find muslims condemning anything Hamas does"

Thought that was to me

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
I've said just earlier that if they wanted that they could do it. You are saying something that just isn't true. I am making a distinction here between Israel and Hamas. Hamas want to see an end to Israel even if they cannot fulfil their wishes.
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What worse someone who wants to kill your entire family or someone who has actually killed off several members of your family?

Because quite frankly give me Hamas with their rhetoric over Israel's hugely effective murdering of civilians.
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And there we have it. Support for a proscribed terrorist organisation. You are on shaky ground here and I would advise you to be careful with your words.
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And there we have it....

In an attempt to justify Israel Cal would actually prefer several members of his family murdered over one as long as it didn't come with angry rhetoric...

I guess when you are trying to defend the indefensible you have to say anything to justify it...

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 minutes ago
Thought that was to me
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Na, sorry if I mislead you

comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
I've said just earlier that if they wanted that they could do it. You are saying something that just isn't true. I am making a distinction here between Israel and Hamas. Hamas want to see an end to Israel even if they cannot fulfil their wishes.
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What worse someone who wants to kill your entire family or someone who has actually killed off several members of your family?

Because quite frankly give me Hamas with their rhetoric over Israel's hugely effective murdering of civilians.
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And there we have it. Support for a proscribed terrorist organisation. You are on shaky ground here and I would advise you to be careful with your words.
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And there we have it....

In an attempt to justify Israel Cal would actually prefer several members of his family murdered over one as long as it didn't come with angry rhetoric...

I guess when you are trying to defend the indefensible you have to say anything to justify it...
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I'll second what Cal has said, but keep talking...please, infact let it all out, lets hear what you really think about jews... whilst trying to pretend you're not muslim.

TBH Yes way is a half Welsh half English White Atheist born into a Christian (but fairly laid back) family...

Not that it matters.

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Can you even bring yourself to comdemn some of the Hamas covenant? In particular

Muslims killing Jews (note not Israelis)
The accusation they are behind every major War or Revolution in their quest for World domination.

The references to the Russian propoganda piece, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
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If you are asking me if its a bad thing then yes it is.

What I also think though is its relatively unimportant and used as an excuse when Hamas have no real means to do any of it.

Much like the RA had a united Ireland free from British rule as a key demand its something that isn't the real issue that will cause enough people to rise up to terrorism

I imagine the ANC more extreme members might have had some less palatable views when they were fighting for their freedom.

This wouldn't be a good reason to keep up the mistreatment though. Also keeping up the mistreatment is likely to intensify and strengthen the belief , as it has done to get to this point in the first place.

he might be half white and half english but he is a future wrong-un I can tell you that and should be monitored.

comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 6 minutes ago
he might be half white and half english but he is a future wrong-un I can tell you that and should be monitored.
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Who is?

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 21 seconds ago
I think it is fair to say Iran has funded terror organisations.
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And Mossad has carried out assassinations on foreign nationals outside Isreals borders.
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Yes but they targeted known terrorists unlike some of Iran's actions..
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Mossad has killed nuclear scientists...Scientists!

Their only crime, being born Iranian.

Isreal don't even admit to having nuclear weapons, Isreali Mordacai Vanuni (spelling?) was jailed for years by the Isrealis for telling the truth.
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Who was that?

Vanunu was released several years ago. But he did release state secrets and was tried with treason and espionage.
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Who was who?

The point I'm making is that it's a double standard.

Extrajudicial killings are acts of terror.

Killing heads of violent organisations is illegal, yet in some minds understandable, the Brits killed unarmed people in Gibraltar, assassinating nuclear scientists in an attempt to prevent Iran from attaining the weaponry that Israel already has is quite another, who judged that Israel is more deserving and trustworthy of rational decisions more than the Iranians? Israel has it's fanatics too.

Israel has nuclear weapons, created against the non-proliferation treaty hence the jailing of an individual that revealed these weapons. Such acts whilst screaming 'they're all out to get us' is hypocritical and not above criticism and sanction.

Like I have said before, I don't have an issue with Israel but criticism and condemnation of the Israeli government and some of its policies doesn't make me either anti Israel.

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Whereas constantly threatened by nuclear powers Iran....

KoemanYouBlues

"I'm not aware of Israel being a terrorist organisation?"

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Really? There are plenty of United Nations resolutions that describes it as acting as such.

comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
TBH Yes way is a half Welsh half English White Atheist born into a Christian (but fairly laid back) family...

Not that it matters.

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Can you even bring yourself to comdemn some of the Hamas covenant? In particular

Muslims killing Jews (note not Israelis)
The accusation they are behind every major War or Revolution in their quest for World domination.

The references to the Russian propoganda piece, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
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If you are asking me if its a bad thing then yes it is.

What I also think though is its relatively unimportant and used as an excuse when Hamas have no real means to do any of it.

Much like the RA had a united Ireland free from British rule as a key demand its something that isn't the real issue that will cause enough people to rise up to terrorism

I imagine the ANC more extreme members might have had some less palatable views when they were fighting for their freedom.

This wouldn't be a good reason to keep up the mistreatment though. Also keeping up the mistreatment is likely to intensify and strengthen the belief , as it has done to get to this point in the first place.
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It is not unimportant though is it? Because they are the elected government of Gaza

With their Jew killing Dogma, I do not see any concessions from Israel to Palestine all the time the people elect them. It is very hard to make them wrong too.

Western governments soften under the threat of terrorism, because we are a weak people with a soft underbelly.

To think Israel would behave this way is folly. Hit them and you will get hit hard.

TBH I think people get a bit too hung up on the label terrorism...

Technically the Natzi's fought against terrorists, some of those fighting against the Natzi's were terrorists... as were people like Nelson Mandela.

Some of Israeli's actions could possibly come under the umbrella of terrorism (assassination certainly) but much more important is whether the actions are just are not then whether they meet the label of terrorism.

Adolf was not a terrorist, Nelson Mandela was.....

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Adolf would have been pretty proud of that Hamas Charter to be fair

It is not unimportant though is it? Because they are the elected government of Gaza
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No it's a very good excuse for Israel.

Imagine Britain had taken a similar stance and just knuckled down even harder because the RA wanted a united Ireland free from British rule.

Its a very good excuse.

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With their Jew killing Dogma, I do not see any concessions from Israel to Palestine all the time the people elect them. It is very hard to make them wrong too.
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TBH The Israeli's continued to mistreat the Palestinians and that is why they got in in the first place, using them as an excuse to continue the mistreatment is hardly a surprise though.

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Western governments soften under the threat of terrorism, because we are a weak people with a soft underbelly.
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The thing that weakens is our common sense and we go off on foreign adventures and in the end just cause even more terrorism.

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To think Israel would behave this way is folly. Hit them and you will get hit hard.
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TBH The Palestinians just get hit hard all the time, its been that way for years.