comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tbh I think you are losing the plot here.
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TBH If you don't understand what terrorism (or by extension a terrorist is) shouldn't you check it out before trying to correct people?

When was the last attack on Palestine that was not a retaliation to Palestinian attacks on Israel/Israelis?

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comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
When was the last attack on Palestine that was not a retaliation to Palestinian attacks on Israel/Israelis?

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Is that from a Spurs fan?

Who constantly go on and on about Arsenal moving into their territory?

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 minutes ago
Adolf would have been pretty proud of that Hamas Charter to be fair
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I imagine he'd be pretty proud of the Israeli government as well, their treatment of the Palestinians is akin to his of the Jewish people early in his reign.

In fact he even seems to have inspired some prominent members of Israeli society.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2715466/Israeli-official-calls-concentration-camps-Gaza-conquest-entire-Gaza-Strip-annihilation-fighting-forces-supporters.html

Israeli official calls for concentration camps in Gaza and 'the conquest of the entire Gaza Strip

He even mentions deportation as a potential solution to the Jewish problem.

Sorry I got confused there between 1930's Germany.

It was Germany who potentially saw deportation as a potential solution to the Jewish problem.

This guy see's it as a potential solution to the Palestinian problem...

No, calm down people this is completely different...

You see the Palestinians are Muslims so we can ignore the lessons or parallels from history and just blindly cheer the Israeli's on...

comment by Sane is back (U21166)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
When was the last attack on Palestine that was not a retaliation to Palestinian attacks on Israel/Israelis?

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Is that from a Spurs fan?

Who constantly go on and on about Arsenal moving into their territory?
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Oh yeah totally comparible.

comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 minutes ago
Adolf would have been pretty proud of that Hamas Charter to be fair
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I imagine he'd be pretty proud of the Israeli government as well, their treatment of the Palestinians is akin to his of the Jewish people early in his reign.

In fact he even seems to have inspired some prominent members of Israeli society.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2715466/Israeli-official-calls-concentration-camps-Gaza-conquest-entire-Gaza-Strip-annihilation-fighting-forces-supporters.html

Israeli official calls for concentration camps in Gaza and 'the conquest of the entire Gaza Strip

He even mentions deportation as a potential solution to the Jewish problem.

Sorry I got confused there between 1930's Germany.

It was Germany who potentially saw deportation as a potential solution to the Jewish problem.

This guy see's it as a potential solution to the Palestinian problem...

No, calm down people this is completely different...

You see the Palestinians are Muslims so we can ignore the lessons or parallels from history and just blindly cheer the Israeli's on...
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This guy is clearly an idiot isnt he?

Fortunately he did not get re-elected again after these comments

Interesting comment at the end though....

"Israel announced the temporary ceasefire to facilitate the entry of humanitarian aid and allow some of the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians displaced by an almost four-week-old war to go home.

Hamas said it would not be observing the truce, and warned people to exercise extreme caution when venturing out onto the streets after earlier temporary ceasefire arrangements collapsed into a frenzy of bloodshed.""

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
You're dreaming up strange scenarios of Muslims taking over London
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Yes sorry its only okay if we kick Muslim people off their land isn't it?

Kicking innocent people off their land is just as wrong whether they are Londoners or Palestinians, the fact you seem to believe Palestinians are somehow less deserving of their land than other people doesn't really give Israel any justification.

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attributing things to me that I haven't said.
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If you are on about our one particular conversation then you actually did it first in an attempt to dance around the actual subject but as there is no real defence for kicking innocent people off their land.

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Think you need to stick to facts.
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I've been trying but you keep dancing around in a circle trying to justify Israel with various random things, half the time things which could just as easily apply to 30's Germany.

For example the thing which you tried to take off topic and distract from was me asking

Would you rather have lots of your family members killed but with nice rhetoric like the Palestinians or one killed with really mean rhetoric like the Israeli's...

You then said I'd be careful about supporting terrorist organisations or some other rubbish...

Either you can't really read or, as I have pointed out is likely a few times, you realise there is no real justification for Israel so you dance around the issue and don't really address things in an effort to make it seem like there is more of a debate than there really is...

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What is your view on ownership of the Falklands?

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comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
You're dreaming up strange scenarios of Muslims taking over London
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Yes sorry its only okay if we kick Muslim people off their land isn't it?

Kicking innocent people off their land is just as wrong whether they are Londoners or Palestinians, the fact you seem to believe Palestinians are somehow less deserving of their land than other people doesn't really give Israel any justification.

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attributing things to me that I haven't said.
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If you are on about our one particular conversation then you actually did it first in an attempt to dance around the actual subject but as there is no real defence for kicking innocent people off their land.

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Think you need to stick to facts.
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I've been trying but you keep dancing around in a circle trying to justify Israel with various random things, half the time things which could just as easily apply to 30's Germany.

For example the thing which you tried to take off topic and distract from was me asking

Would you rather have lots of your family members killed but with nice rhetoric like the Palestinians or one killed with really mean rhetoric like the Israeli's...

You then said I'd be careful about supporting terrorist organisations or some other rubbish...

Either you can't really read or, as I have pointed out is likely a few times, you realise there is no real justification for Israel so you dance around the issue and don't really address things in an effort to make it seem like there is more of a debate than there really is...




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but you support Hamas?

"Israel announced the temporary ceasefire to facilitate the entry of humanitarian aid and allow some of the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians displaced by an almost four-week-old war to go home.

Hamas said it would not be observing the truce, and warned people to exercise extreme caution when venturing out onto the streets after earlier temporary ceasefire arrangements collapsed into a frenzy of bloodshed.""
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The Israeli version of a ceasefire is just slaughtering the Palestinians in slightly lower numbers....

They continue to steal their land during ceasefires, strangle their economy, control access to infrastructure/roads/water, hell they continue to kill and lock up Palestinians during ceasefires.

It isn't actually a ceasefire, taking land is pretty much the cornerstone of war. Add in the other things and the Israeli's are waging war on the Palestinians daily and have been for decades.

The only difference is during non ceasefire time they kill them in even greater numbers again.

HRH

It was a glib comment I'll admit.

However... "When was the last attack on Palestine that was not a retaliation to Palestinian attacks on Israel/Israelis?"... Is equally simplistic.

Using that logic the British government would be within it's rights to launch a cruise missile attack on Dublin every time there is a Republican related atrocity in Northern Ireland.

I haven't danced around anything. I just haven't played your silly games with made up scenarios.
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It would be a lot more honest if you could admit it, just to yourself even if not to other people.

The Palestinians are just as human as anyone else and kicking them off their land for no reason is wrong however its dressed up but you will continue to dance around and cry that it doesn't count whenever the situation is compared to anything else...

comment by Sane is back (U21166)
posted 1 minute ago
HRH

It was a glib comment I'll admit.

However... "When was the last attack on Palestine that was not a retaliation to Palestinian attacks on Israel/Israelis?"... Is equally simplistic.

Using that logic the British government would be within it's rights to launch a cruise missile attack on Dublin every time there is a Republican related atrocity in Northern Ireland.
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If Sinn Fein were the government of Ireland, and the RA were firing rockets from Eire in to N Ireland, it would be seen as an act of war

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keep the comments coming yes way jose, there's a good lad

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
I have actually been on the West Bank and met people so a bit less of the patronising and ascribing views to me that are not true.
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TBH having personally been there doesn't make you any better informed, in fact as we can probably see from situations in many other places you are more likely to get caught up in the emotion of it and your own biases.

Whereas someone who has less at stake can look at it much more analytically.

Take the who is worse part as example.

Yes Hamas may have worse rhetoric but Israel are far more likely to kill you (or drive you into crippling poverty)

Know unless you have some personal reason for bias you would obviously say you'd prefer to suffer the first one than the last one.

Nobody wants to hear nasty stuff but I'd rather hear angry rhetoric than greatly increase my chances of dying (whilst having to live in grinding poverty)

Any person, who hasn't got biases at play, would choose the former.

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comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
I have actually been on the West Bank and met people so a bit less of the patronising and ascribing views to me that are not true.
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TBH having personally been there doesn't make you any better informed, in fact as we can probably see from situations in many other places you are more likely to get caught up in the emotion of it and your own biases.

Whereas someone who has less at stake can look at it much more analytically.

Take the who is worse part as example.

Yes Hamas may have worse rhetoric but Israel are far more likely to kill you (or drive you into crippling poverty)

Know unless you have some personal reason for bias you would obviously say you'd prefer to suffer the first one than the last one.

Nobody wants to hear nasty stuff but I'd rather hear angry rhetoric than greatly increase my chances of dying (whilst having to live in grinding poverty)

Any person, who hasn't got biases at play, would choose the former.
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any brain-washed moron would choose the former

TBH having personally been there doesn't make you any better informed,
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Should be doesn't necessarily make you any better informed.

It can make you better informed.

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Would there be any deaths from the IDF if Hamas/Fatah gave up the armed struggle and renounced violence?
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No just due to the checkpoints, police, grinding poverty and hoarding of precious resources all done by the Israelis.

Also however many deaths you can blame on the Palestinians for defending themselves and their land there would be even fewer if these innocent people had never been kicked off their land in the first place.

I'm sure Aparthied South Africa would have taken it a bit easier on the minorities if they gave up their struggle as well.

That doesn't make the actions of Apartheid South Africa acceptable.

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I may be seen as pro Israeli but I have no blood ties to any Israelis. I have no Jewish blood (that I know of). I do not identify with Israel or is Israelis in any fashion other than they are a democratic people.

I have never been to the region and jave no intention of. I am an Atheist who thinks ALL religions are ridiculous.

I would be far more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause if their people did not elect Hamas.

Blood libels, blaming Jews for every Major War and Revolution, propovmgation of the highly offensive false document 'Chronicles of the Elders of Zion' the destruction of Israel and the killing of Jews.

They should be denounced as a racist and hate-filled organisation they are, not embraced as "friends".

Russia did a great job with that propoganda - the old commies living in the West are still lapping it up

I don't recall the ANC sending waves of suicide bombers but there you go again.
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Apartheid South Africa doesn't quite manage to go to the levels Israel does either, but there you go again.

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So you support Hamas in their continuing armed struggle I presume.
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Hmm, I support their right to resist Israel and defend the Palestinians.

I support their right to take back some of the land that has been stolen from them.

I don't necessarily by extension agree with everything ever said and done by anyone who has represented Hamas...