As Stretty’s comments demonstrate, this is nothing to do with left or right. But a need to educate.

Equality through civil partnerships had been attained.

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Not in the US. Tax breaks and spousal rights for those married that were different than those available to people in civil union.

Thats treating people differently because of sexual persuasion.

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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
As Stretty’s comments demonstrate, this is nothing to do with left or right. But a need to educate.
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Indeed

I hate generalising but the right always claim to like small govt but want govt to legislate on people's personal lives

Fascists

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 29 seconds ago
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Not sure how to put this without it seeming like a dig at you or stretty but right here is the problem.

People have certain views but they can't be ignored by simy saying "educate". They need to be said and discussed, which is part of what OP is saying. Albeit Robb is the first to shout homophobe in these circumstances as I found out

comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by The starving child of an EON employee (U6489)
posted 1 minute ago
Trans people are ill and need help

Holy crap.
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They are. There's no other words for it.
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Awesome! You're such a feckin tw@t
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No, im not.

sorry you wanna push this leftist agenda bollox but they are ill l and need help.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
As Stretty’s comments demonstrate, this is nothing to do with left or right. But a need to educate.
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exactly we need to tell these people they are ill and get them help.

comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
Equality through civil partnerships had been attained.

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Not in the US. Tax breaks and spousal rights for those married that were different than those available to people in civil union.

Thats treating people differently because of sexual persuasion.
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Yeah america is a different animal. I was of course referring to the UK.

I for one thought civil partnership would be the way for people of all persuasions as it offers legal rights of inheritance etc and many people choose not to marry these days

remind me again which side preaches tolereance and then burns down and riots in citys because they lost?

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
"The reason the left are losing votes is because the average persons standard of living is decreasing year on year whilst the rich get richer with tax cuts."

Really? How does that work then?
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I'm not an economic mastermind. Though i'm sure the billions we let the corporations get away without paying their taxes has something to do with it.

Then we have the banks, bailed out by the government. The same banks who lend too much money to people who clearly couldn't afford it, who cause the spike in house prices meaning anybody under 40 who doesn't have £40k in the bank can't own a house.

The answers, I don't know. But i do know that about 60% of my monthly wage goes to the government, through taxes and charges, and I expect to get more than a frankly poor NHS, my bins collected, the BBC and constant, unrequired road works for my hard earned money.

I personally do not give 2 shts what people want to do in their personal lives provided they are not committing a crime.

The govt MUST treat all citizens equally irrespective of their race, gender or creed.

TBF to stretty he isn't wrong in 100% of cases. The psychology of trans gender is not the same across the board.

And right there is the issue you can't just pigeon hole all groups

True equality is taking every case on its own merits

Oh, let's not forget our state of the art trident and the armed forces allowing us to pick fights that have nothing to do with us.

It's all good though, keeps our chums in Saudi rich (and in turn our politicians).

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 55 seconds ago
I personally do not give 2 shts what people want to do in their personal lives provided they are not committing a crime.

The govt MUST treat all citizens equally irrespective of their race, gender or creed.


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I agree. Each to their own.

Problem often is that it doesn't stop there. So for example I hate seeing a couple virtually eating each other in public places. Many people share this view as far as I know. Now if its a male/female no issue. But if its same gender then I am homophobic?

The problem with the left atm is that it has been hijacked by the self-hating, SJW types who are becoming increasingly toxic and giving the left a bad rep.
The concept of classical liberalism is always a notion that I support. Unfortunately, many in the left have moved away from the previous foundations in which they were built on.

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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
"The reason the left are losing votes is because the average persons standard of living is decreasing year on year whilst the rich get richer with tax cuts."

Really? How does that work then?
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I'm not an economic mastermind. Though i'm sure the billions we let the corporations get away without paying their taxes has something to do with it.

Then we have the banks, bailed out by the government. The same banks who lend too much money to people who clearly couldn't afford it, who cause the spike in house prices meaning anybody under 40 who doesn't have £40k in the bank can't own a house.

The answers, I don't know. But i do know that about 60% of my monthly wage goes to the government, through taxes and charges, and I expect to get more than a frankly poor NHS, my bins collected, the BBC and constant, unrequired road works for my hard earned money.
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I get that that all sucks, but how is that costing 'the left' votes? Surely 'the left' would go some way to fix these things, how is voting for the same people again and again going to fix anything?

Probably Robb, probably...

he problem with the left atm is that it has been hijacked by the self-hating, SJW types who are becoming increasingly toxic and giving the left a bad rep.
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This is exactly it.

It takes a degree of enlightenment which few possess to be a truly unhypocritical liberal. It's very difficult as the social position it defends can be twisted into a contradiction. Also, to be truly liberal requires one to divorce themselves from strong emotional responses which is obviously hard as so many feel passionately about these issues.

What is annoying is to see all liberalism be tarred by the hypocrisy which it can exhibit in parts. Apologies that there is hypocrisy but sticking with the ideals it espouses I just can't understand how it can be flung around like a dirty word.

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comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 26 seconds ago
What Stretty's comment demonstrates is why there is such a dichotomic view in politics now. By insulting Stretty his natural reaction is to stand his ground reinforcing his view that transgender is a mental illness. Obviously we could have approached this nicely, however where is the fun in not calling Stretty a slack-jawed fecktard?
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explain why it is not a mental illness. I will wait patiently.

It also shows that ignorance is not, after all, bliss. For anyone.

It's either a mental illness or they are just weirdos.

One thing they will never be if they are born female and want to a man is a man. and vice versa. that is life. sorry if that offends a lot of you, it is what it is.

comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 26 seconds ago
What Stretty's comment demonstrates is why there is such a dichotomic view in politics now. By insulting Stretty his natural reaction is to stand his ground reinforcing his view that transgender is a mental illness. Obviously we could have approached this nicely, however where is the fun in not calling Stretty a slack-jawed fecktard?
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explain why it is not a mental illness. I will wait patiently.

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Could it be an illness that is only cured by changing seexxx?