I heard 95% right in the past get rid of human error and theres nothing to talk about. I wish footballers got 50% of their desisions right

98% accuracy in decisions might be right but what does it matter if you're calling 10/10 throw ins correctly but then 7/10 penalty calls.

comment by Boss By Hugo || 🏆 (U18550)
posted 3 minutes ago
98% accuracy in decisions might be right but what does it matter if you're calling 10/10 throw ins correctly but then 7/10 penalty calls.
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That, whilst clearly unacceptable would be unlikely

Most decisions are pretty simple. Others are subjective, so hard to call them right or wrong. Not sure I believe the 98% stat though.

I think big decisions should go to video and be done with it. Goal line technology is practically instant and it wouldn't take long to review a penalty shout or red card.

The sooner these big decisions are taken away from the refs the better.

I personally enjoy the theatre that I brought by referees potentially being blamed for your own sides failings.

I also appreciate they do an excellent job. The amount of times I scream at them, or down my tv only to realise they were right is embarrassing.

However, I do think it's time to allow appeals on game changing decisions. Penalties and red cards should be able to be appealed. It takes seconds to review in the tv now so it wouldn't affect the game much as those incidents are quite rare.

That said. Jon Moss should just be replaced by a random decision making robot and his stats would improve.

I really, really do not want video replays in football. They make an absolute joke of rugby, and I reckon about half of goals could be ruled out by identifying some questionable decision in the build-up. Goal line technology has been good because it's quick and definite; studying play would be slow, dull and in many cases still subject to opinion.

So give me the 98% with some dodginess every day.

comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 2 minutes ago
I really, really do not want video replays in football. They make an absolute joke of rugby, and I reckon about half of goals could be ruled out by identifying some questionable decision in the build-up. Goal line technology has been good because it's quick and definite; studying play would be slow, dull and in many cases still subject to opinion.

So give me the 98% with some dodginess every day.
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Why does it have to include incidents during build ups or general play?

That would be a stupid idea but it could be used for tackles that the ref is debating a red card, when play is stopped anyway because a free kick has been awarded or for or a penalty.

It won't take much longer for someone to have a quick look and say yay or nay and it would improve the game massively because these are the major decisions refs get wrong and they're the decisions that ruin games.

It's still often subjective though, and would be the thin end of the wedge. As soon as you bring it in for one thing, it opens the floodgates.

Unfortunately I think it's inevitable. And then we won't be able to get the lid back on it.

Not sure it will open the floodgates Dunge. Fifa, UEFA and the fa are so anti technology they won't allow anything that slows play.

They all recognise that sets football apart and above stop start sports.

Red cards and penalties take so long debating and protesting on the pitch, I would happily see video tech introduced here as they are absolute game changing incidents.

Maybe through appeal though. And personally I'd like a frivolous appeal punished. E.g. If you contest a penalty, and it is one, a goals is given without a kick. You'd only contest the genuine ones then. Also, contested red cards given an extra game ban if correct.

Players can't be trusted to be honest, so some controls would be needed.

Not sure it will open the floodgates Dunge. Fifa, UEFA and the fa are so anti technology they won't allow anything that slows play.

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Well, they're bringing in video refs next season, so thats technology that slows the game

I often wondered if a 'sin bin' should be an added feature instead of sendings off?

Second yellows etc could get a time penalty in the sin bin, there are numerous debatable yellows every week that often lead to a sending off.

Have total respect for amateur refs am sure they do a great job.
Professional ones a different matter,it would appear they are unaccountable, yes we all makes mistakes, but when they are as bad as Pawson and Moss they should be held to account.
Thay all make mistakes, some are honest ones ,some are not.
Jon Moss re Vardy was like Urs Maier against England.neither had a clear view of incident, gave what they wanted.
in Vardys case all angles are inconslusive, ref should have warned him ,but wanted to send him off
That is totally dishonest.
Sadly find it hard to have respect for professional refs, too many games decided by them. Deadman at Charlton, totally dishonest performance.
The Fa allow them to continue to perform to an ever decreasiing level.
Jon Moss last season was described by most as the worst display of the season, yet he had other prem games immediately,so no matter how bad you are the
FA just arent interested.

I don't think there is as much "dishonesty" among refs as you feel. I simply think that its a case of people being asked to perform a nigh impossible job to ridiculously high unrealistic expectations with little training or support.

From what i can recall, the budget for the PGMOL is about 10mil a year. This is the budget that a multi billion pound industry sees fit for paying, training and developing the refs.

If they invest so little in the refs then there can be no complaints if standards aren't high enough.

giving a red card for an unclear incident id dishonest!!

I fear the present, up-and-coming and future generations of footballer supporters will allay to more changes that will not go down well with the 'traditional' fan. I've found older people don't like change in general and, much as many of them will disagree with this 'tinkering' of the game, those people will not, eventually, be attendees at matches in years to come whether it's by virtue of age, cost or whatever. That leaves the new breed to digest the changes forced upon them and I have this feeling many will accept it as a 'brave new world' within the sport and see it as moving forward.

Goal-line technology, yes, I'm in agreement that it is essential as so much rests on a decision seen as being correct. Sin-bins, no for goodness' sake.This will be accompanied by the Wurlitzer over the public address system decreeing who's been a bad boy and who the hero on the day and we will move more and more away from football as we know it.

I thought it was bad enough when they introduced a single vocal female/male trying to howl the National Anthem at FA Cup Finals and the demise of the brass band now confirmed. What an earth has it all come to.

What Mr. Belmonty says is precisely my concern, Mersey. And I don't think we'd be able to get the lid back on the box. Video refs in rugby ruin the pace of the game and can even annoy the on-field refs with how pedantic they get to justify their presence. And that's in a game that has time-outs and is stop start. In football they would be even more pronounced.

Mistakes, even bad, match-deciding ones, can happen in the current system, granted. But I'm convinced that flawed system is better than the alternative. I fear people will only see it once it's too late.

Whilst most of the views on this thread are eminently valid, my own view is that the introduction of video technology would be aimed primarily at the question of is it a penalty or not. Given the often lengthy delay whilst defenders vainly argue the toss with the officials it is debatable whether the time taken to view an incident would actually shorten the process.
Unfortunately, whilst players continue to cheat by diving to the floor at the drop of a hat, there appears to be little alternative. Personally, I would like to see cheats given an instant red card with an automatic 5 match ban which would double to 10 for a second offence during the course of a season. You can be fairly sure that the practice of cheating would either (a) reduce significantly or (b) go to a much higher level where the player concerned would automatically qualify for an Equity card.

Well they'd just need to be stronger and realise that red cards and penalties are the only thing that require some kind of assistance. Nothing else needs to be changed but something does need to be done to prevent games being won and lost because of a refs howler. I don't see any reason at all for that technology to used to improve any other part of the game.

comment by Champions of England (U21032)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well they'd just need to be stronger and realise that red cards and penalties are the only thing that require some kind of assistance. Nothing else needs to be changed but something does need to be done to prevent games being won and lost because of a refs howler. I don't see any reason at all for that technology to used to improve any other part of the game.
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What about offsides?

Goals too?

Regarding diving, I would not have the referees penalise this on the pitch but enforce a 3-match ban afterwards or perhaps a fine of a week's wages for each incident. Definitely needs harsher punishment, but getting the refs to decide in a split second at potentially a bad angle isn't right. Let them focus on whether it is definitely a foul or not. (i.e. Dive, fair challenge or not sure.)

The problem with diving is that it's often too subjective. For every one blatant, no contact swan dive, there are probably 20 where you could argue either way.

Leaving your leg in becomes an absolute minefield.

Blantant dives are pretty obvious though and imcould be punished following games. I just don't think there are that many of them.

For example. A player drags his leg "expecting contact" but the defender does well to pull out and no contact. Player goes down due to momentum but doesn't claim a penalty. 3 game ban?

Harsh!

The problem with diving is that it's often too subjective.

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thats my worry with video tech going forward. Clearing up calls that are black and white, such as offside is grand. But having another set of eyes look at a subjective call is where it gets difficult.

I am sure we could find a penalty given or not, from the weekend that no matter how many times reviewed we won't all agree on, because of that subjective nature of the call.

comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 6 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Champions of England (U21032)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well they'd just need to be stronger and realise that red cards and penalties are the only thing that require some kind of assistance. Nothing else needs to be changed but something does need to be done to prevent games being won and lost because of a refs howler. I don't see any reason at all for that technology to used to improve any other part of the game.
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What about offsides?

Goals too?
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Erm nah, although linos get them wrong at times, the problem isn't as bad as red cards and penos