comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
I still have no sympathy with the bloke. Mistakes have been made but refusing to cooperate will not fix them.
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Assaulted and humiliated in front of a packed airline the video of which has gone viral around the world
I suspect theres many a judge in the States that will sympathise with what was done to him
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Yeah good luck with that, it is perfectly legal to remove someone from a flight, even in these circumstances.
It simple really, if a member of the law asks you to do something, do it or accept the consequence.
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 24 seconds ago
But absolutely true and a key point
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No it isn't.
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Are you seriously trying to say they would have injured him if he got up and left when asked. Don't be silly.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
They shouldn't have hurt an old man for sure.
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He wouldn't have gotten hurt had he not physically resisted them.
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Poor comment.
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I don't like to say it VC. I'm not on the airlines side in how they handled this. Sadly, it's true that had he just complied he wouldn't have been hurt.
I didn't mean to imply that he deserved it. There are so many way his injuries could've been avoided. Unfortunately, not physically resisting the officers just doing their job is one of those.
Obviously. Everyone has said that. Nobody has really given a solution to the situation though.
________________
Apart from those of us who answered your question by proposing solutions to the situation.
E.g. putting the UA staff on another flight - or in a cab.
What's wrong with either of those solutions?
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
Alternatively use other means of transport seeing as the distance wasn't that far and the staff were not needed for work until the next day.
If they didn't want to do that route then they should have not allowed customers onto the plane and worked out the correct compensation package for 4 people willing to take it. If no one was willing to take their low compensation then continue to raise it until someone agreed.
Also when deciding who to pick use a bit of common sense.
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a) the distance is c. 300 miles, so let's say 5 hours in a car
b) as far as i understand - and this may be wrong - airlines are limited, by regulation, in terms of how much they can offer in compensation, and they were at/close to the limit here. whether it works that way in practice i don't know.
c) they didn't pick him, it was entirely random.
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 1 minute ago
Obviously. Everyone has said that. Nobody has really given a solution to the situation though.
________________
Apart from those of us who answered your question by proposing solutions to the situation.
E.g. putting the UA staff on another flight - or in a cab.
What's wrong with either of those solutions?
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You've missed his point (again).
He asked what the airline could have done, after they had committed to the course of action they took?
After the point at which they had made the poor judgement to remove four customers at random, and after getting the compliance of three of those four, what could/should they have done differently?
That's what he's asking.
...and no, he isn't suggesting for a moment that the right course of action was to manhandle a pensioner out of his seat (another lapse in judgement).
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
I still have no sympathy with the bloke. Mistakes have been made but refusing to cooperate will not fix them.
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Assaulted and humiliated in front of a packed airline the video of which has gone viral around the world
I suspect theres many a judge in the States that will sympathise with what was done to him
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Yeah good luck with that, it is perfectly legal to remove someone from a flight, even in these circumstances.
It simple really, if a member of the law asks you to do something, do it or accept the consequence.
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Good luck with what ?
I will be surprised if this isn't settled in favor of this gentleman before it even gets before a judge
I don't like to say it VC. I'm not on the airlines side in how they handled this. Sadly, it's true that had he just complied he wouldn't have been hurt.
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Why should he comply. I wouldn't if I was that age ( I am not, and not even close yet, despite popular belief) and was being separated from my wife (who was 8 rows back).
As I keep telling you ignorant people on here, the Airline should not have boarded the passengers in the first place.
And non compliance by the passenger is not an excuse for what happened to him.
Nothing at all and in hindsight, I'm sure they would do that. It had gone beyond that though.
.................
You will get there eventually GT.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 1 minute ago
Obviously. Everyone has said that. Nobody has really given a solution to the situation though.
________________
Apart from those of us who answered your question by proposing solutions to the situation.
E.g. putting the UA staff on another flight - or in a cab.
What's wrong with either of those solutions?
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You've missed his point (again).
He asked what the airline could have done, after they had committed to the course of action they took?
After the point at which they had made the poor judgement to remove four customers at random, and after getting the compliance of three of those four, what could/should they have done differently?
That's what he's asking.
...and no, he isn't suggesting for a moment that the right course of action was to manhandle a pensioner out of his seat (another lapse in judgement).
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They did what they have been doing for years, this man is probably not the first to be removed by the authorities either. And it was the authorities that injured the man, i doubt the airline expected anyone to get hurt.
just doing their job
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yea...so you keep saying.
It's funny how the US Department of Transportation takes a very different view.
“The incidence on United Flight 3411 was not in accordance with our standard operating procedure and the actions of the aviation security officer are obviously not condoned by the Department,' the department said in a statement.
I wonder why the DOT does not condone people "just doing their jobs"
I will be surprised if this isn't settled in favor of this gentleman before it even gets before a judge
..................
No way this gets to court.
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
I still have no sympathy with the bloke. Mistakes have been made but refusing to cooperate will not fix them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Assaulted and humiliated in front of a packed airline the video of which has gone viral around the world
I suspect theres many a judge in the States that will sympathise with what was done to him
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Yeah good luck with that, it is perfectly legal to remove someone from a flight, even in these circumstances.
It simple really, if a member of the law asks you to do something, do it or accept the consequence.
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Good luck with what ?
I will be surprised if this isn't settled in favor of this gentleman before it even gets before a judge
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I also expect that, it would be an extremely brave or desperate lawyer that took this one on. The airline acted within the law.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 1 minute ago
Obviously. Everyone has said that. Nobody has really given a solution to the situation though.
________________
Apart from those of us who answered your question by proposing solutions to the situation.
E.g. putting the UA staff on another flight - or in a cab.
What's wrong with either of those solutions?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You've missed his point (again).
He asked what the airline could have done, after they had committed to the course of action they took?
___________________
Then that is a dumb as fack question.
Like this one:-
What could Hitler have done differently after committing to the holocaust?
It shouldn't have happened in the first place - which is precisely what people are saying. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Even if you assume that him being 'removed' was somehow the right thing to do (it wasn't), the guy was being dragged like a furrrking sack of potatoes or some shiiit and was apparently bleeding, it was disgraceful how they treated him.
comment by JFDI (U1657)
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I also expect that, it would be an extremely brave or desperate lawyer that took this one on. The airline acted within the law.
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given that people have won damages for being burned when sticking a cup of coffee between their legs whilst driving, or been made to pay child support after j!zzing in a woman's mouth who then spat it out and shoved it inside her, i would never bet on the outcome of a US lawsuit (!)
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
I still have no sympathy with the bloke. Mistakes have been made but refusing to cooperate will not fix them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Assaulted and humiliated in front of a packed airline the video of which has gone viral around the world
I suspect theres many a judge in the States that will sympathise with what was done to him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah good luck with that, it is perfectly legal to remove someone from a flight, even in these circumstances.
It simple really, if a member of the law asks you to do something, do it or accept the consequence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck with what ?
I will be surprised if this isn't settled in favor of this gentleman before it even gets before a judge
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I also expect that, it would be an extremely brave or desperate lawyer that took this one on. The airline acted within the law.
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😁
I will bookmark this
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comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
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I also expect that, it would be an extremely brave or desperate lawyer that took this one on. The airline acted within the law.
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given that people have won damages for being burned when sticking a cup of coffee between their legs whilst driving, or been made to pay child support after j!zzing in a woman's mouth who then spat it out and shoved it inside her, i would never bet on the outcome of a US lawsuit (!)
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No doubt but i think this goes beyond us law, with the ongoing threat of terrorism and hi jacking, flight safety tends to take precedent, failing to comply and resistong instructions is frowned upon. I expect slapped wrists for some but that's all.
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
I still have no sympathy with the bloke. Mistakes have been made but refusing to cooperate will not fix them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Assaulted and humiliated in front of a packed airline the video of which has gone viral around the world
I suspect theres many a judge in the States that will sympathise with what was done to him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah good luck with that, it is perfectly legal to remove someone from a flight, even in these circumstances.
It simple really, if a member of the law asks you to do something, do it or accept the consequence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck with what ?
I will be surprised if this isn't settled in favor of this gentleman before it even gets before a judge
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I also expect that, it would be an extremely brave or desperate lawyer that took this one on. The airline acted within the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😁
I will bookmark this
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Seriously? I'll lose no sleep over this if i am wrong
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
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I also expect that, it would be an extremely brave or desperate lawyer that took this one on. The airline acted within the law.
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given that people have won damages for being burned when sticking a cup of coffee between their legs whilst driving, or been made to pay child support after j!zzing in a woman's mouth who then spat it out and shoved it inside her, i would never bet on the outcome of a US lawsuit (!)
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No doubt but i think this goes beyond us law, with the ongoing threat of terrorism and hi jacking, flight safety tends to take precedent, failing to comply and resistong instructions is frowned upon. I expect slapped wrists for some but that's all.
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Why would you expect slapped wrists for some ?
Because of the outrage it has caused. The authorities have already said one of their agents didn't follow the correct procedure and the airline said they would see what they could improve on.
There are always consequences to our actions.
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posted on 11/4/17
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
I still have no sympathy with the bloke. Mistakes have been made but refusing to cooperate will not fix them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Assaulted and humiliated in front of a packed airline the video of which has gone viral around the world
I suspect theres many a judge in the States that will sympathise with what was done to him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah good luck with that, it is perfectly legal to remove someone from a flight, even in these circumstances.
It simple really, if a member of the law asks you to do something, do it or accept the consequence.
posted on 11/4/17
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 24 seconds ago
But absolutely true and a key point
............
No it isn't.
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Are you seriously trying to say they would have injured him if he got up and left when asked. Don't be silly.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
They shouldn't have hurt an old man for sure.
-
He wouldn't have gotten hurt had he not physically resisted them.
.......................
Poor comment.
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I don't like to say it VC. I'm not on the airlines side in how they handled this. Sadly, it's true that had he just complied he wouldn't have been hurt.
I didn't mean to imply that he deserved it. There are so many way his injuries could've been avoided. Unfortunately, not physically resisting the officers just doing their job is one of those.
posted on 11/4/17
Obviously. Everyone has said that. Nobody has really given a solution to the situation though.
________________
Apart from those of us who answered your question by proposing solutions to the situation.
E.g. putting the UA staff on another flight - or in a cab.
What's wrong with either of those solutions?
posted on 11/4/17
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 11/4/17
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
Alternatively use other means of transport seeing as the distance wasn't that far and the staff were not needed for work until the next day.
If they didn't want to do that route then they should have not allowed customers onto the plane and worked out the correct compensation package for 4 people willing to take it. If no one was willing to take their low compensation then continue to raise it until someone agreed.
Also when deciding who to pick use a bit of common sense.
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a) the distance is c. 300 miles, so let's say 5 hours in a car
b) as far as i understand - and this may be wrong - airlines are limited, by regulation, in terms of how much they can offer in compensation, and they were at/close to the limit here. whether it works that way in practice i don't know.
c) they didn't pick him, it was entirely random.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 1 minute ago
Obviously. Everyone has said that. Nobody has really given a solution to the situation though.
________________
Apart from those of us who answered your question by proposing solutions to the situation.
E.g. putting the UA staff on another flight - or in a cab.
What's wrong with either of those solutions?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You've missed his point (again).
He asked what the airline could have done, after they had committed to the course of action they took?
After the point at which they had made the poor judgement to remove four customers at random, and after getting the compliance of three of those four, what could/should they have done differently?
That's what he's asking.
...and no, he isn't suggesting for a moment that the right course of action was to manhandle a pensioner out of his seat (another lapse in judgement).
posted on 11/4/17
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
I still have no sympathy with the bloke. Mistakes have been made but refusing to cooperate will not fix them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Assaulted and humiliated in front of a packed airline the video of which has gone viral around the world
I suspect theres many a judge in the States that will sympathise with what was done to him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah good luck with that, it is perfectly legal to remove someone from a flight, even in these circumstances.
It simple really, if a member of the law asks you to do something, do it or accept the consequence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck with what ?
I will be surprised if this isn't settled in favor of this gentleman before it even gets before a judge
posted on 11/4/17
I don't like to say it VC. I'm not on the airlines side in how they handled this. Sadly, it's true that had he just complied he wouldn't have been hurt.
................
Why should he comply. I wouldn't if I was that age ( I am not, and not even close yet, despite popular belief) and was being separated from my wife (who was 8 rows back).
As I keep telling you ignorant people on here, the Airline should not have boarded the passengers in the first place.
And non compliance by the passenger is not an excuse for what happened to him.
posted on 11/4/17
Nothing at all and in hindsight, I'm sure they would do that. It had gone beyond that though.
.................
You will get there eventually GT.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 1 minute ago
Obviously. Everyone has said that. Nobody has really given a solution to the situation though.
________________
Apart from those of us who answered your question by proposing solutions to the situation.
E.g. putting the UA staff on another flight - or in a cab.
What's wrong with either of those solutions?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You've missed his point (again).
He asked what the airline could have done, after they had committed to the course of action they took?
After the point at which they had made the poor judgement to remove four customers at random, and after getting the compliance of three of those four, what could/should they have done differently?
That's what he's asking.
...and no, he isn't suggesting for a moment that the right course of action was to manhandle a pensioner out of his seat (another lapse in judgement).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They did what they have been doing for years, this man is probably not the first to be removed by the authorities either. And it was the authorities that injured the man, i doubt the airline expected anyone to get hurt.
posted on 11/4/17
just doing their job
_______________
yea...so you keep saying.
It's funny how the US Department of Transportation takes a very different view.
“The incidence on United Flight 3411 was not in accordance with our standard operating procedure and the actions of the aviation security officer are obviously not condoned by the Department,' the department said in a statement.
I wonder why the DOT does not condone people "just doing their jobs"
posted on 11/4/17
I will be surprised if this isn't settled in favor of this gentleman before it even gets before a judge
..................
No way this gets to court.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
I still have no sympathy with the bloke. Mistakes have been made but refusing to cooperate will not fix them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Assaulted and humiliated in front of a packed airline the video of which has gone viral around the world
I suspect theres many a judge in the States that will sympathise with what was done to him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah good luck with that, it is perfectly legal to remove someone from a flight, even in these circumstances.
It simple really, if a member of the law asks you to do something, do it or accept the consequence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck with what ?
I will be surprised if this isn't settled in favor of this gentleman before it even gets before a judge
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I also expect that, it would be an extremely brave or desperate lawyer that took this one on. The airline acted within the law.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 1 minute ago
Obviously. Everyone has said that. Nobody has really given a solution to the situation though.
________________
Apart from those of us who answered your question by proposing solutions to the situation.
E.g. putting the UA staff on another flight - or in a cab.
What's wrong with either of those solutions?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You've missed his point (again).
He asked what the airline could have done, after they had committed to the course of action they took?
___________________
Then that is a dumb as fack question.
Like this one:-
What could Hitler have done differently after committing to the holocaust?
It shouldn't have happened in the first place - which is precisely what people are saying. Why is that so hard to understand?
posted on 11/4/17
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 11/4/17
Even if you assume that him being 'removed' was somehow the right thing to do (it wasn't), the guy was being dragged like a furrrking sack of potatoes or some shiiit and was apparently bleeding, it was disgraceful how they treated him.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by JFDI (U1657)
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I also expect that, it would be an extremely brave or desperate lawyer that took this one on. The airline acted within the law.
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given that people have won damages for being burned when sticking a cup of coffee between their legs whilst driving, or been made to pay child support after j!zzing in a woman's mouth who then spat it out and shoved it inside her, i would never bet on the outcome of a US lawsuit (!)
posted on 11/4/17
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
I still have no sympathy with the bloke. Mistakes have been made but refusing to cooperate will not fix them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Assaulted and humiliated in front of a packed airline the video of which has gone viral around the world
I suspect theres many a judge in the States that will sympathise with what was done to him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah good luck with that, it is perfectly legal to remove someone from a flight, even in these circumstances.
It simple really, if a member of the law asks you to do something, do it or accept the consequence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck with what ?
I will be surprised if this isn't settled in favor of this gentleman before it even gets before a judge
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I also expect that, it would be an extremely brave or desperate lawyer that took this one on. The airline acted within the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😁
I will bookmark this
posted on 11/4/17
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
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I also expect that, it would be an extremely brave or desperate lawyer that took this one on. The airline acted within the law.
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given that people have won damages for being burned when sticking a cup of coffee between their legs whilst driving, or been made to pay child support after j!zzing in a woman's mouth who then spat it out and shoved it inside her, i would never bet on the outcome of a US lawsuit (!)
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No doubt but i think this goes beyond us law, with the ongoing threat of terrorism and hi jacking, flight safety tends to take precedent, failing to comply and resistong instructions is frowned upon. I expect slapped wrists for some but that's all.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
I still have no sympathy with the bloke. Mistakes have been made but refusing to cooperate will not fix them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Assaulted and humiliated in front of a packed airline the video of which has gone viral around the world
I suspect theres many a judge in the States that will sympathise with what was done to him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah good luck with that, it is perfectly legal to remove someone from a flight, even in these circumstances.
It simple really, if a member of the law asks you to do something, do it or accept the consequence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck with what ?
I will be surprised if this isn't settled in favor of this gentleman before it even gets before a judge
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I also expect that, it would be an extremely brave or desperate lawyer that took this one on. The airline acted within the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😁
I will bookmark this
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Seriously? I'll lose no sleep over this if i am wrong
posted on 11/4/17
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
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I also expect that, it would be an extremely brave or desperate lawyer that took this one on. The airline acted within the law.
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given that people have won damages for being burned when sticking a cup of coffee between their legs whilst driving, or been made to pay child support after j!zzing in a woman's mouth who then spat it out and shoved it inside her, i would never bet on the outcome of a US lawsuit (!)
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No doubt but i think this goes beyond us law, with the ongoing threat of terrorism and hi jacking, flight safety tends to take precedent, failing to comply and resistong instructions is frowned upon. I expect slapped wrists for some but that's all.
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Why would you expect slapped wrists for some ?
posted on 11/4/17
Because of the outrage it has caused. The authorities have already said one of their agents didn't follow the correct procedure and the airline said they would see what they could improve on.
There are always consequences to our actions.
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