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£20k salary additional £130pa
£100k salary additional £1130pa
Not scr3wing ‘the rich’
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Unless that £100k salary is actually £100k rental income.
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How many people do you think are receiving £100k in rental income in the uk? That’s 8 average rentals by the way
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I have no idea. Does it matter? I could have also said a nurse earning £20k pays an additional £130pa, their landlord who earns £20k in rental income pays nothing additional.
Oh and I’m sure we can agree that rich (or poor) is a measure of wealth, not income 👍
It seems consistently counterintuitive for “younger” people to be voting Conservative;
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheIFS/status/1435221853371576325
I don't think anyone disagrees that we as citizens need to pay more for the services we want so in that regard for once in my life I agree with a Tory priority.
That's immediately negated by how they have decided to raise the money.
The Care Quality Commission’s latest figures show that more than one in six care providers are not meeting acceptable standards. According to the charity Age UK, a decade of cuts to the social care budget has left 1.5 million older people with unmet care needs. Thousands of working-age disabled people – on whom half the social care budget is spent – don’t get the care they need either.
Staff vacancies in the care sector could rise to 170,000 this year, according to the National Care Association, up from 112,000 last year. This is hardly surprising: 70% of care workers are paid less than £10 an hour and one-quarter of staff are on zero-hours contracts. A lack of staff compounds low standards of care and can have lethal results for care home residents. One recent study by the London School of Economics found that the risk of death from Covid-19 in UK care homes was 13 times higher than in equivalent institutions in Germany care homes. In England, this is largely because of the way care homes are run and operated: the sector is increasingly dominated by private equity companies whose chief aim is to extract profits from caring for elderly and disabled adults.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/08/social-care-crisis-ni-contributions-tories-property-rights
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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
£20k salary additional £130pa
£100k salary additional £1130pa
Not scr3wing ‘the rich’
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Unless that £100k salary is actually £100k rental income.
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How many people do you think are receiving £100k in rental income in the uk? That’s 8 average rentals by the way
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I have no idea. Does it matter? I could have also said a nurse earning £20k pays an additional £130pa, their landlord who earns £20k in rental income pays nothing additional.
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That’s pretty much what you’re already saying.
My point is that you’re talking about a tiny group of people as opposed to all of us chipping in and some chipping in more. Plus the addition of increasing dividend tax I don’t think pointing out that landlord’s income isn’t going up is a meaningful enough point to be dissatisfied with the changes.
What do you think would happen to rent prices if they increased taxes on landlords (yet again)?
comment by Zachsda( I stand with Heart and Hand) (U1850)
posted less than a minute ago
Labour? Hello? Fancy doing your jobs any time soon? Please provide a tax on the richer side of the country for people to get behind.
The Tories have been shooty in for years and Labour haven't taken the opportunity.
Largely(imo) down to the wrong leadership.
That Corbyn never took a position on Brexit was woefully bad and as "nice" as Starmer is, he thinks charisma is the 25th Dec. Politics is in large part about personality now, he needs to get one quickly.
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https://player.fm/series/full-disclosure-with-james-obrien/jolyon-maugham
Maugham made an interesting point about being a QC.
You're asked to legally represent clients you might not like/agree with, so over time you have to park your personality/humanity do be competent at your job and if you then want to pursue a poltical career its not so easy to get it back and thinks Starmer is struggling.
He explains it far better than I've just attempted to.
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 16 minutes ago
Some interesting reactions to the tax raise. I'm still not sure if everyone who has a house will never have to sell it to pay for their care? If they don't I may support it, if not no way. Some nasty reactions though " why should children who have done no work inherit a house". Why do some people struggle so much with the concept of ownership. Asserts shouldn't go back to the state when people die, they should go to their children to ensure the family has a house. Definitely need to pressure them for a tax on richer people too? Labour? Hello? Fancy doing your jobs any time soon? Please provide a tax on the richer side of the country for people to get behind.
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Can we define ‘rich’?
Can we also remember that we already have a progressive tax system which results in the top 1% of tax payers contributing nearly a third of all income tax
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said above-inflation increases in the personal allowance to £12,500 a year meant 42% of adults paid no income tax.
Meanwhile, the share of income tax paid by the top 1% of taxpayers – a smaller slice of the population because so many people pay no income tax – has risen from 24% of the total in 2007-08 on the eve of the financial crisis to 30% currently.
“Unlike the increases in previous decades, this has not been driven by a rising income share at the top,” the thinktank said in a briefing paper. “Rather, it reflects policy reforms: there have been income tax rises for high-income individuals (the additional rate of income tax above £150,000, the withdrawal of the personal allowance above £100,000, substantial cuts in income tax relief for pension contributions, and a net real reduction in the higher-rate threshold), even while increases in the personal allowance have reduced or eliminated income tax for those with lower incomes.”
Before taxes and benefits were taken into account, the highest 20% of earners had incomes that were 12 times as high as the poorest fifth of the population. After the inclusion of cash benefits and the deduction of the main personal taxes – income tax, employee and employer NICs and council tax – the ratio came down to five, the IFS said. Benefits accounted for about 80% of the reduction, while direct taxes accounted for 20%
EVIL TORIES FKING OVER THE POOR AND LOOKING AFTER THEIR RICH MATES!!!
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 48 seconds ago
I've said it before, but the calculations are wrong. Work from what is a minimum amount to live on, then tax those above. Is 12.5k really an amount that is livable?
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How about no thanks ?
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said above-inflation increases in the personal allowance to £12,500 a year meant 42% of adults paid no income tax.
That is a horrible stat.
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That was my thought too, it suggests 42% of the population get by on just ~£250 a week, or less.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said above-inflation increases in the personal allowance to £12,500 a year meant 42% of adults paid no income tax.
That is a horrible stat.
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That was my thought too, it suggests 42% of the population get by on just ~£250 a week, or less.
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Part-time workers gents
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said above-inflation increases in the personal allowance to £12,500 a year meant 42% of adults paid no income tax.
That is a horrible stat.
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That was my thought too, it suggests 42% of the population get by on just ~£250 a week, or less.
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Part-time workers gents
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That’s over 8,000,000 people FYI
Yesterday's press conference was an insight into the government's plans.
Laura Kuenssberg- "Not everyone will pay, in fact the poorest will pay."
Johnson, "Yes but everyone will benefit."
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said above-inflation increases in the personal allowance to £12,500 a year meant 42% of adults paid no income tax.
That is a horrible stat.
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That was my thought too, it suggests 42% of the population get by on just ~£250 a week, or less.
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Part-time workers gents
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That’s over 8,000,000 people FYI
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I think it's fair to assume that many of those 8m adults have dependents of some sort, and it's not difficult to see why so many children are raised in near poverty.
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EVIL TORIES FKING OVER THE POOR AND LOOKING AFTER THEIR RICH MATES!!!
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You're finally getting it
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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EVIL TORIES FKING OVER THE POOR AND LOOKING AFTER THEIR RICH MATES!!!
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You're finally getting it
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Lmao
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EVIL TORIES FKING OVER THE POOR AND LOOKING AFTER THEIR RICH MATES!!!
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Bingo
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posted on 8/9/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
£20k salary additional £130pa
£100k salary additional £1130pa
Not scr3wing ‘the rich’
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unless that £100k salary is actually £100k rental income.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How many people do you think are receiving £100k in rental income in the uk? That’s 8 average rentals by the way
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have no idea. Does it matter? I could have also said a nurse earning £20k pays an additional £130pa, their landlord who earns £20k in rental income pays nothing additional.
posted on 8/9/21
Oh and I’m sure we can agree that rich (or poor) is a measure of wealth, not income 👍
posted on 8/9/21
It seems consistently counterintuitive for “younger” people to be voting Conservative;
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheIFS/status/1435221853371576325
posted on 8/9/21
I don't think anyone disagrees that we as citizens need to pay more for the services we want so in that regard for once in my life I agree with a Tory priority.
That's immediately negated by how they have decided to raise the money.
posted on 8/9/21
The Care Quality Commission’s latest figures show that more than one in six care providers are not meeting acceptable standards. According to the charity Age UK, a decade of cuts to the social care budget has left 1.5 million older people with unmet care needs. Thousands of working-age disabled people – on whom half the social care budget is spent – don’t get the care they need either.
Staff vacancies in the care sector could rise to 170,000 this year, according to the National Care Association, up from 112,000 last year. This is hardly surprising: 70% of care workers are paid less than £10 an hour and one-quarter of staff are on zero-hours contracts. A lack of staff compounds low standards of care and can have lethal results for care home residents. One recent study by the London School of Economics found that the risk of death from Covid-19 in UK care homes was 13 times higher than in equivalent institutions in Germany care homes. In England, this is largely because of the way care homes are run and operated: the sector is increasingly dominated by private equity companies whose chief aim is to extract profits from caring for elderly and disabled adults.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/08/social-care-crisis-ni-contributions-tories-property-rights
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
£20k salary additional £130pa
£100k salary additional £1130pa
Not scr3wing ‘the rich’
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unless that £100k salary is actually £100k rental income.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How many people do you think are receiving £100k in rental income in the uk? That’s 8 average rentals by the way
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have no idea. Does it matter? I could have also said a nurse earning £20k pays an additional £130pa, their landlord who earns £20k in rental income pays nothing additional.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s pretty much what you’re already saying.
My point is that you’re talking about a tiny group of people as opposed to all of us chipping in and some chipping in more. Plus the addition of increasing dividend tax I don’t think pointing out that landlord’s income isn’t going up is a meaningful enough point to be dissatisfied with the changes.
What do you think would happen to rent prices if they increased taxes on landlords (yet again)?
posted on 8/9/21
comment by Zachsda( I stand with Heart and Hand) (U1850)
posted less than a minute ago
Labour? Hello? Fancy doing your jobs any time soon? Please provide a tax on the richer side of the country for people to get behind.
The Tories have been shooty in for years and Labour haven't taken the opportunity.
Largely(imo) down to the wrong leadership.
That Corbyn never took a position on Brexit was woefully bad and as "nice" as Starmer is, he thinks charisma is the 25th Dec. Politics is in large part about personality now, he needs to get one quickly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://player.fm/series/full-disclosure-with-james-obrien/jolyon-maugham
Maugham made an interesting point about being a QC.
You're asked to legally represent clients you might not like/agree with, so over time you have to park your personality/humanity do be competent at your job and if you then want to pursue a poltical career its not so easy to get it back and thinks Starmer is struggling.
He explains it far better than I've just attempted to.
posted on 8/9/21
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 16 minutes ago
Some interesting reactions to the tax raise. I'm still not sure if everyone who has a house will never have to sell it to pay for their care? If they don't I may support it, if not no way. Some nasty reactions though " why should children who have done no work inherit a house". Why do some people struggle so much with the concept of ownership. Asserts shouldn't go back to the state when people die, they should go to their children to ensure the family has a house. Definitely need to pressure them for a tax on richer people too? Labour? Hello? Fancy doing your jobs any time soon? Please provide a tax on the richer side of the country for people to get behind.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can we define ‘rich’?
Can we also remember that we already have a progressive tax system which results in the top 1% of tax payers contributing nearly a third of all income tax
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said above-inflation increases in the personal allowance to £12,500 a year meant 42% of adults paid no income tax.
Meanwhile, the share of income tax paid by the top 1% of taxpayers – a smaller slice of the population because so many people pay no income tax – has risen from 24% of the total in 2007-08 on the eve of the financial crisis to 30% currently.
“Unlike the increases in previous decades, this has not been driven by a rising income share at the top,” the thinktank said in a briefing paper. “Rather, it reflects policy reforms: there have been income tax rises for high-income individuals (the additional rate of income tax above £150,000, the withdrawal of the personal allowance above £100,000, substantial cuts in income tax relief for pension contributions, and a net real reduction in the higher-rate threshold), even while increases in the personal allowance have reduced or eliminated income tax for those with lower incomes.”
Before taxes and benefits were taken into account, the highest 20% of earners had incomes that were 12 times as high as the poorest fifth of the population. After the inclusion of cash benefits and the deduction of the main personal taxes – income tax, employee and employer NICs and council tax – the ratio came down to five, the IFS said. Benefits accounted for about 80% of the reduction, while direct taxes accounted for 20%
posted on 8/9/21
EVIL TORIES FKING OVER THE POOR AND LOOKING AFTER THEIR RICH MATES!!!
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 48 seconds ago
I've said it before, but the calculations are wrong. Work from what is a minimum amount to live on, then tax those above. Is 12.5k really an amount that is livable?
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How about no thanks ?
posted on 8/9/21
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said above-inflation increases in the personal allowance to £12,500 a year meant 42% of adults paid no income tax.
That is a horrible stat.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was my thought too, it suggests 42% of the population get by on just ~£250 a week, or less.
posted on 8/9/21
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said above-inflation increases in the personal allowance to £12,500 a year meant 42% of adults paid no income tax.
That is a horrible stat.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was my thought too, it suggests 42% of the population get by on just ~£250 a week, or less.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Part-time workers gents
posted on 8/9/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said above-inflation increases in the personal allowance to £12,500 a year meant 42% of adults paid no income tax.
That is a horrible stat.
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That was my thought too, it suggests 42% of the population get by on just ~£250 a week, or less.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Part-time workers gents
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That’s over 8,000,000 people FYI
posted on 8/9/21
Yesterday's press conference was an insight into the government's plans.
Laura Kuenssberg- "Not everyone will pay, in fact the poorest will pay."
Johnson, "Yes but everyone will benefit."
posted on 8/9/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said above-inflation increases in the personal allowance to £12,500 a year meant 42% of adults paid no income tax.
That is a horrible stat.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was my thought too, it suggests 42% of the population get by on just ~£250 a week, or less.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Part-time workers gents
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That’s over 8,000,000 people FYI
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I think it's fair to assume that many of those 8m adults have dependents of some sort, and it's not difficult to see why so many children are raised in near poverty.
posted on 8/9/21
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 23 minutes ago
EVIL TORIES FKING OVER THE POOR AND LOOKING AFTER THEIR RICH MATES!!!
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You're finally getting it
posted on 8/9/21
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 23 minutes ago
EVIL TORIES FKING OVER THE POOR AND LOOKING AFTER THEIR RICH MATES!!!
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You're finally getting it
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Lmao
posted on 8/9/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 38 minutes ago
EVIL TORIES FKING OVER THE POOR AND LOOKING AFTER THEIR RICH MATES!!!
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Bingo
posted on 8/9/21
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