comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Old melted welly face getting angry and doing what top tories do, lie at the despatch box.
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I thought Lisa Nandy was excellent opposite him. Spoke on practicalities and highlighted the shameless attempts by the Conservative government to claim credit for their “DIY asylum” scheme which has not been properly funded, which has not had proper engagement from councils or charities. They dithered and dallied for weeks while Europe got on with it, and with all that dithering and dallying they still have a poorly thought out system.
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Certainly problems on the asylum front from H.O and govt, in contrast to British public wanting to bring refugees in to their own homes.
Boris is quite popular in Ukraine and receives plaudits for supplying weapons to their armed forces, so UK did better on that front.
I noticed while reading about Abbott and Corbyn on nato and western expansion causing the friction with Putin, their line and that of the far left as Rosso, crouchy and black hawk agreed, that Sturgeon was under pressure for sharing power with anti-Nato Green party in Scotland.
What is your take on the Green party NATO stance in Scotland and among the Corbynista faction?
I also note Ireland remains neutral in this, according to Irish PM on BBC Sunday morning, and will not answer Zelensky and Ukraine calls for arms to take on Putin.
Is it time for Ireland to ditch neutrality in face of the Putin threat?
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Spinny McSpinface has nothing to add about another Tory lying at the despatch box, the Hostile Environment was born under conservative Home Sec Theresa May.
But but but popularity in Ukraine, Corbyn/Abbot and the Republic of Ireland, tbab bingo HOUSE!
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Old melted welly face getting angry and doing what top tories do, lie at the despatch box.
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I thought Lisa Nandy was excellent opposite him. Spoke on practicalities and highlighted the shameless attempts by the Conservative government to claim credit for their “DIY asylum” scheme which has not been properly funded, which has not had proper engagement from councils or charities. They dithered and dallied for weeks while Europe got on with it, and with all that dithering and dallying they still have a poorly thought out system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly problems on the asylum front from H.O and govt, in contrast to British public wanting to bring refugees in to their own homes.
Boris is quite popular in Ukraine and receives plaudits for supplying weapons to their armed forces, so UK did better on that front.
I noticed while reading about Abbott and Corbyn on nato and western expansion causing the friction with Putin, their line and that of the far left as Rosso, crouchy and black hawk agreed, that Sturgeon was under pressure for sharing power with anti-Nato Green party in Scotland.
What is your take on the Green party NATO stance in Scotland and among the Corbynista faction?
I also note Ireland remains neutral in this, according to Irish PM on BBC Sunday morning, and will not answer Zelensky and Ukraine calls for arms to take on Putin.
Is it time for Ireland to ditch neutrality in face of the Putin threat?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You are right to point out how out of touch the Conservative government is with the wider British public.
I support NATO.
I would support an independent scotland being in NATO.
I am uncomfortable with a large nuclear base containing nuclear weapons being located 30 miles from Scotlands largest city.
Ireland, like the UK, is a part of NATO, and thus by definition neutral in the war. As I’ve said, NATO peacekeepers on the ground and a no fly zone enacted by Ukraine and supported by NATO would be my preference.
Finally for now, Michael Palin was on the old Marr slot with Sophie Rayworth talking to a Ukraine nationalist Palin met in 1994.
Palin had been in Ukraine and Crimea, where he met Russian people who lived there and he remarked on the Russian presence in crimea, which is historical fact and yet no reason to invade, of course.
There are 7 million ethnic Russians in Ukraine, so that is more than the population of Scotland or Ireland and quite a minority....again, no excuse for Putin to invade, but s reality that will be dealt with, along with Crimea when both sides sit down to talk.
There appears to be almost hysterical Russophobia about now, with anything Russian banned now and a whole people and nation demonized, and there does appear to be open hatred of Russians and Russia among Ukrainians, not just against Putin, which is justified.
When I spoke of the dangers of ultra Ukraine nationalism or Russian or Irish or British nationalism, my point was the dangers involved in this ideology that takes on sinister forms and needs a hate target, rather than being just a movement of civic nationalism promoting self-determination and national sovereignty.
Celtic posters such as Tully, Mighty and Silver have alluded to the two sides of the Ukraine Russia story and other posters have sought to go beyond joining some anti-Russian bandwagon, and this is welcome....Just Shoot too spoke of the need to give Russia way out of this horror, because we will end up talking around a table in the end.
While we focus on Russia and all things Russia, China is backing Putin up, and so I wonder do we now start hating China and treating them as we now do the Russian people, because that is the next logical step, followed by Saudis, Iranians and Afghans?
Just my thoughts.
With the Sarah everard r@pist and killer, one would hope that prison officers could identify that the r@pist and killer is a clear and present threat to the other prisoners, not because of any self identification, but because, you know, they r@ped and killed a woman.
If we’re basing it on risk, do an individual risk assessment. If said individual is deemed to be a risk to the general population because of what they’ve said or what crimes they’ve committed (or potentially also just accused of) then don’t house them with the wider prison population.
If there was a huge 6 foot 8, 300lb guy who was in prison for raping and killing men, that person should not be housed with other men. It’s simple really 🤷♂️
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Old melted welly face getting angry and doing what top tories do, lie at the despatch box.
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I thought Lisa Nandy was excellent opposite him. Spoke on practicalities and highlighted the shameless attempts by the Conservative government to claim credit for their “DIY asylum” scheme which has not been properly funded, which has not had proper engagement from councils or charities. They dithered and dallied for weeks while Europe got on with it, and with all that dithering and dallying they still have a poorly thought out system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly problems on the asylum front from H.O and govt, in contrast to British public wanting to bring refugees in to their own homes.
Boris is quite popular in Ukraine and receives plaudits for supplying weapons to their armed forces, so UK did better on that front.
I noticed while reading about Abbott and Corbyn on nato and western expansion causing the friction with Putin, their line and that of the far left as Rosso, crouchy and black hawk agreed, that Sturgeon was under pressure for sharing power with anti-Nato Green party in Scotland.
What is your take on the Green party NATO stance in Scotland and among the Corbynista faction?
I also note Ireland remains neutral in this, according to Irish PM on BBC Sunday morning, and will not answer Zelensky and Ukraine calls for arms to take on Putin.
Is it time for Ireland to ditch neutrality in face of the Putin threat?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You are right to point out how out of touch the Conservative government is with the wider British public.
I support NATO.
I would support an independent scotland being in NATO.
I am uncomfortable with a large nuclear base containing nuclear weapons being located 30 miles from Scotlands largest city.
Ireland, like the UK, is a part of NATO, and thus by definition neutral in the war. As I’ve said, NATO peacekeepers on the ground and a no fly zone enacted by Ukraine and supported by NATO would be my preference.
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Cheers👍
Have to do some work, will reply more later buddy.
Tbbab - do you think the Russians should have crimea?
Hi TBAB,
Hope all is well. Just to confirm, Micheal Martin (BBC politics) stated they were *only militarily neutral* as they are not part of NATO. But have given humanitarian aid etc as well as signing up for the EU refugee resettlement scheme.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Old melted welly face getting angry and doing what top tories do, lie at the despatch box.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I thought Lisa Nandy was excellent opposite him. Spoke on practicalities and highlighted the shameless attempts by the Conservative government to claim credit for their “DIY asylum” scheme which has not been properly funded, which has not had proper engagement from councils or charities. They dithered and dallied for weeks while Europe got on with it, and with all that dithering and dallying they still have a poorly thought out system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly problems on the asylum front from H.O and govt, in contrast to British public wanting to bring refugees in to their own homes.
Boris is quite popular in Ukraine and receives plaudits for supplying weapons to their armed forces, so UK did better on that front.
I noticed while reading about Abbott and Corbyn on nato and western expansion causing the friction with Putin, their line and that of the far left as Rosso, crouchy and black hawk agreed, that Sturgeon was under pressure for sharing power with anti-Nato Green party in Scotland.
What is your take on the Green party NATO stance in Scotland and among the Corbynista faction?
I also note Ireland remains neutral in this, according to Irish PM on BBC Sunday morning, and will not answer Zelensky and Ukraine calls for arms to take on Putin.
Is it time for Ireland to ditch neutrality in face of the Putin threat?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spinny McSpinface has nothing to add about another Tory lying at the despatch box, the Hostile Environment was born under conservative Home Sec Theresa May.
But but but popularity in Ukraine, Corbyn/Abbot and the Republic of Ireland, tbab bingo HOUSE!
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/16/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
Hi TBAB,
Hope all is well. Just to confirm, Micheal Martin (BBC politics) stated they were *only militarily neutral* as they are not part of NATO. But have given humanitarian aid etc as well as signing up for the EU refugee resettlement scheme.
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Ah they’re not in NATO? I was not aware of this, thank you for clarifying!
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Old melted welly face getting angry and doing what top tories do, lie at the despatch box.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I thought Lisa Nandy was excellent opposite him. Spoke on practicalities and highlighted the shameless attempts by the Conservative government to claim credit for their “DIY asylum” scheme which has not been properly funded, which has not had proper engagement from councils or charities. They dithered and dallied for weeks while Europe got on with it, and with all that dithering and dallying they still have a poorly thought out system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly problems on the asylum front from H.O and govt, in contrast to British public wanting to bring refugees in to their own homes.
Boris is quite popular in Ukraine and receives plaudits for supplying weapons to their armed forces, so UK did better on that front.
I noticed while reading about Abbott and Corbyn on nato and western expansion causing the friction with Putin, their line and that of the far left as Rosso, crouchy and black hawk agreed, that Sturgeon was under pressure for sharing power with anti-Nato Green party in Scotland.
What is your take on the Green party NATO stance in Scotland and among the Corbynista faction?
I also note Ireland remains neutral in this, according to Irish PM on BBC Sunday morning, and will not answer Zelensky and Ukraine calls for arms to take on Putin.
Is it time for Ireland to ditch neutrality in face of the Putin threat?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spinny McSpinface has nothing to add about another Tory lying at the despatch box, the Hostile Environment was born under conservative Home Sec Theresa May.
But but but popularity in Ukraine, Corbyn/Abbot and the Republic of Ireland, tbab bingo HOUSE!
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/16/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices
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"What we are proposing here will, I think, flush illegal migrants out. We are trying to create a much more HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT in this country if you are here illegally," said Mr Byrne. "We have to make Britain much less of an attractive place if you are going to come here and break the rules.
I capitalised it for you Hector
"We are trying to create a much more hostile environment in this country if you are here illegally"
Theresa May
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
Hi TBAB,
Hope all is well. Just to confirm, Micheal Martin (BBC politics) stated they were *only militarily neutral* as they are not part of NATO. But have given humanitarian aid etc as well as signing up for the EU refugee resettlement scheme.
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Ah they’re not in NATO? I was not aware of this, thank you for clarifying!
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Yeah, although understand they are part of a NATO partnership for peace programme which focuses on humanitarian aid etc.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 57 seconds ago
"We are trying to create a much more hostile environment in this country if you are here illegally"
Theresa May
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office_hostile_environment_policy
“Although the origins of the policy were first set out in the announcement of a government consultation document by Labour immigration minister Liam Byrne in May 2007, the Home Office policy was first announced in 2012 under the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition.”
So it was never Labour enacted policy, but there was a consultation document under Labour. It was Conservative enacted policy.
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 57 seconds ago
"We are trying to create a much more hostile environment in this country if you are here illegally"
Theresa May
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office_hostile_environment_policy
“Although the origins of the policy were first set out in the announcement of a government consultation document by Labour immigration minister Liam Byrne in May 2007, the Home Office policy was first announced in 2012 under the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition.”
So it was never Labour enacted policy, but there was a consultation document under Labour. It was Conservative enacted policy.
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Did gove say enacted? No
He said invented which I think is pretty clear from Liam in 2007 that it was.
Oh yeah it was Labour also….
That was all that Gove was saying and he was absolutely right to do so.
Invented a phrase perhaps, Invented a policy, that on May. Go Home van's ffs!
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
Invented a phrase perhaps, Invented a policy, that on May. Go Home van's ffs!
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"What we are proposing here will, I think, flush illegal migrants out. We are trying to create a much more HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT in this country if you are here illegally," said Mr Byrne. "We have to make Britain much less of an attractive place if you are going to come here and break the rules.
A pilot scheme launched yesterday provides a telephone helpline for employers, with staff from the Identity and Passport Service and the Borders and Immigration Agency to help companies check on the immigration status of their staff.
Mr Byrne said the decision to issue identity cards for foreign nationals resident in Britain from next year would enable employers to be sure they were employing people legally. "We will insist that businesses do the right checks. It is not acceptable anymore to breaks the rules and turn a blind eye," he said.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour
V respected Iranian reporter here saying UK has paid its £400m debt to Iran and UK Iranian dual nationals Nazanin Zaghari Ratcliffe and Anoosheh Ashoori will be released.
good news
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
Invented a phrase perhaps, Invented a policy, that on May. Go Home van's ffs!
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"What we are proposing here will, I think, flush illegal migrants out. We are trying to create a much more HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT in this country if you are here illegally," said Mr Byrne. "We have to make Britain much less of an attractive place if you are going to come here and break the rules.
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Satters you’re floundering here a bit pal 😂😂😂
It was a CONSULTATION DOCUMENT. It was NEVER official Labour Party policy. It was NEVER enacted on. Even the guardian article you link to notes that it was due to be launched in 2008, but we know it wasn’t.
Do you even have the consultation document to point out where it references “hostile immigration”? Or is it just one word one minor minister said? I mean, deary me bud I know you like to protect folk like Michael Gove but this is a stretch even for you.
The Hostile Immigration Policy was designed, launched, enacted and embedded by a conservative Home Secretary.
You really think you're a clever diiick sometimes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office_hostile_environment_policy
Sole bloke said something once but didn't enact policy versus Theresa May who obviously did 🤔
Tulip Siddiq @TulipSiddiq
I am very pleased to say that Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has been given her British passport back.
She is still at her family home in Tehran. I also understand that there is a British negotiating team in Tehran right now.
I will keep posting updates as I get them.
#FreeNazanin
huge development
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
Invented a phrase perhaps, Invented a policy, that on May. Go Home van's ffs!
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"What we are proposing here will, I think, flush illegal migrants out. We are trying to create a much more HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT in this country if you are here illegally," said Mr Byrne. "We have to make Britain much less of an attractive place if you are going to come here and break the rules.
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Satters you’re floundering here a bit pal 😂😂😂
It was a CONSULTATION DOCUMENT. It was NEVER official Labour Party policy. It was NEVER enacted on. Even the guardian article you link to notes that it was due to be launched in 2008, but we know it wasn’t.
Do you even have the consultation document to point out where it references “hostile immigration”? Or is it just one word one minor minister said? I mean, deary me bud I know you like to protect folk like Michael Gove but this is a stretch even for you.
The Hostile Immigration Policy was designed, launched, enacted and embedded by a conservative Home Secretary.
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Aye a total gotcha that doesn't reflect real world events
comment by Harry Ambrose (U11781)
posted 29 seconds ago
Tulip Siddiq @TulipSiddiq
I am very pleased to say that Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has been given her British passport back.
She is still at her family home in Tehran. I also understand that there is a British negotiating team in Tehran right now.
I will keep posting updates as I get them.
#FreeNazanin
huge development
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That is genuinely tremendous news if that is the case!!! No idea why it took the Conservative government so long to resolve this (although I have strong suspicions) it is a genuine good news story 👍
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posted on 15/3/22
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Old melted welly face getting angry and doing what top tories do, lie at the despatch box.
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I thought Lisa Nandy was excellent opposite him. Spoke on practicalities and highlighted the shameless attempts by the Conservative government to claim credit for their “DIY asylum” scheme which has not been properly funded, which has not had proper engagement from councils or charities. They dithered and dallied for weeks while Europe got on with it, and with all that dithering and dallying they still have a poorly thought out system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly problems on the asylum front from H.O and govt, in contrast to British public wanting to bring refugees in to their own homes.
Boris is quite popular in Ukraine and receives plaudits for supplying weapons to their armed forces, so UK did better on that front.
I noticed while reading about Abbott and Corbyn on nato and western expansion causing the friction with Putin, their line and that of the far left as Rosso, crouchy and black hawk agreed, that Sturgeon was under pressure for sharing power with anti-Nato Green party in Scotland.
What is your take on the Green party NATO stance in Scotland and among the Corbynista faction?
I also note Ireland remains neutral in this, according to Irish PM on BBC Sunday morning, and will not answer Zelensky and Ukraine calls for arms to take on Putin.
Is it time for Ireland to ditch neutrality in face of the Putin threat?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spinny McSpinface has nothing to add about another Tory lying at the despatch box, the Hostile Environment was born under conservative Home Sec Theresa May.
But but but popularity in Ukraine, Corbyn/Abbot and the Republic of Ireland, tbab bingo HOUSE!
posted on 15/3/22
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Old melted welly face getting angry and doing what top tories do, lie at the despatch box.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I thought Lisa Nandy was excellent opposite him. Spoke on practicalities and highlighted the shameless attempts by the Conservative government to claim credit for their “DIY asylum” scheme which has not been properly funded, which has not had proper engagement from councils or charities. They dithered and dallied for weeks while Europe got on with it, and with all that dithering and dallying they still have a poorly thought out system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly problems on the asylum front from H.O and govt, in contrast to British public wanting to bring refugees in to their own homes.
Boris is quite popular in Ukraine and receives plaudits for supplying weapons to their armed forces, so UK did better on that front.
I noticed while reading about Abbott and Corbyn on nato and western expansion causing the friction with Putin, their line and that of the far left as Rosso, crouchy and black hawk agreed, that Sturgeon was under pressure for sharing power with anti-Nato Green party in Scotland.
What is your take on the Green party NATO stance in Scotland and among the Corbynista faction?
I also note Ireland remains neutral in this, according to Irish PM on BBC Sunday morning, and will not answer Zelensky and Ukraine calls for arms to take on Putin.
Is it time for Ireland to ditch neutrality in face of the Putin threat?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You are right to point out how out of touch the Conservative government is with the wider British public.
I support NATO.
I would support an independent scotland being in NATO.
I am uncomfortable with a large nuclear base containing nuclear weapons being located 30 miles from Scotlands largest city.
Ireland, like the UK, is a part of NATO, and thus by definition neutral in the war. As I’ve said, NATO peacekeepers on the ground and a no fly zone enacted by Ukraine and supported by NATO would be my preference.
posted on 15/3/22
Finally for now, Michael Palin was on the old Marr slot with Sophie Rayworth talking to a Ukraine nationalist Palin met in 1994.
Palin had been in Ukraine and Crimea, where he met Russian people who lived there and he remarked on the Russian presence in crimea, which is historical fact and yet no reason to invade, of course.
There are 7 million ethnic Russians in Ukraine, so that is more than the population of Scotland or Ireland and quite a minority....again, no excuse for Putin to invade, but s reality that will be dealt with, along with Crimea when both sides sit down to talk.
There appears to be almost hysterical Russophobia about now, with anything Russian banned now and a whole people and nation demonized, and there does appear to be open hatred of Russians and Russia among Ukrainians, not just against Putin, which is justified.
When I spoke of the dangers of ultra Ukraine nationalism or Russian or Irish or British nationalism, my point was the dangers involved in this ideology that takes on sinister forms and needs a hate target, rather than being just a movement of civic nationalism promoting self-determination and national sovereignty.
Celtic posters such as Tully, Mighty and Silver have alluded to the two sides of the Ukraine Russia story and other posters have sought to go beyond joining some anti-Russian bandwagon, and this is welcome....Just Shoot too spoke of the need to give Russia way out of this horror, because we will end up talking around a table in the end.
While we focus on Russia and all things Russia, China is backing Putin up, and so I wonder do we now start hating China and treating them as we now do the Russian people, because that is the next logical step, followed by Saudis, Iranians and Afghans?
Just my thoughts.
posted on 15/3/22
With the Sarah everard r@pist and killer, one would hope that prison officers could identify that the r@pist and killer is a clear and present threat to the other prisoners, not because of any self identification, but because, you know, they r@ped and killed a woman.
If we’re basing it on risk, do an individual risk assessment. If said individual is deemed to be a risk to the general population because of what they’ve said or what crimes they’ve committed (or potentially also just accused of) then don’t house them with the wider prison population.
If there was a huge 6 foot 8, 300lb guy who was in prison for raping and killing men, that person should not be housed with other men. It’s simple really 🤷♂️
posted on 15/3/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Old melted welly face getting angry and doing what top tories do, lie at the despatch box.
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I thought Lisa Nandy was excellent opposite him. Spoke on practicalities and highlighted the shameless attempts by the Conservative government to claim credit for their “DIY asylum” scheme which has not been properly funded, which has not had proper engagement from councils or charities. They dithered and dallied for weeks while Europe got on with it, and with all that dithering and dallying they still have a poorly thought out system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly problems on the asylum front from H.O and govt, in contrast to British public wanting to bring refugees in to their own homes.
Boris is quite popular in Ukraine and receives plaudits for supplying weapons to their armed forces, so UK did better on that front.
I noticed while reading about Abbott and Corbyn on nato and western expansion causing the friction with Putin, their line and that of the far left as Rosso, crouchy and black hawk agreed, that Sturgeon was under pressure for sharing power with anti-Nato Green party in Scotland.
What is your take on the Green party NATO stance in Scotland and among the Corbynista faction?
I also note Ireland remains neutral in this, according to Irish PM on BBC Sunday morning, and will not answer Zelensky and Ukraine calls for arms to take on Putin.
Is it time for Ireland to ditch neutrality in face of the Putin threat?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You are right to point out how out of touch the Conservative government is with the wider British public.
I support NATO.
I would support an independent scotland being in NATO.
I am uncomfortable with a large nuclear base containing nuclear weapons being located 30 miles from Scotlands largest city.
Ireland, like the UK, is a part of NATO, and thus by definition neutral in the war. As I’ve said, NATO peacekeepers on the ground and a no fly zone enacted by Ukraine and supported by NATO would be my preference.
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Cheers👍
Have to do some work, will reply more later buddy.
posted on 15/3/22
Tbbab - do you think the Russians should have crimea?
posted on 15/3/22
Hi TBAB,
Hope all is well. Just to confirm, Micheal Martin (BBC politics) stated they were *only militarily neutral* as they are not part of NATO. But have given humanitarian aid etc as well as signing up for the EU refugee resettlement scheme.
posted on 15/3/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Old melted welly face getting angry and doing what top tories do, lie at the despatch box.
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I thought Lisa Nandy was excellent opposite him. Spoke on practicalities and highlighted the shameless attempts by the Conservative government to claim credit for their “DIY asylum” scheme which has not been properly funded, which has not had proper engagement from councils or charities. They dithered and dallied for weeks while Europe got on with it, and with all that dithering and dallying they still have a poorly thought out system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly problems on the asylum front from H.O and govt, in contrast to British public wanting to bring refugees in to their own homes.
Boris is quite popular in Ukraine and receives plaudits for supplying weapons to their armed forces, so UK did better on that front.
I noticed while reading about Abbott and Corbyn on nato and western expansion causing the friction with Putin, their line and that of the far left as Rosso, crouchy and black hawk agreed, that Sturgeon was under pressure for sharing power with anti-Nato Green party in Scotland.
What is your take on the Green party NATO stance in Scotland and among the Corbynista faction?
I also note Ireland remains neutral in this, according to Irish PM on BBC Sunday morning, and will not answer Zelensky and Ukraine calls for arms to take on Putin.
Is it time for Ireland to ditch neutrality in face of the Putin threat?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spinny McSpinface has nothing to add about another Tory lying at the despatch box, the Hostile Environment was born under conservative Home Sec Theresa May.
But but but popularity in Ukraine, Corbyn/Abbot and the Republic of Ireland, tbab bingo HOUSE!
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/16/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices
posted on 15/3/22
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
Hi TBAB,
Hope all is well. Just to confirm, Micheal Martin (BBC politics) stated they were *only militarily neutral* as they are not part of NATO. But have given humanitarian aid etc as well as signing up for the EU refugee resettlement scheme.
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Ah they’re not in NATO? I was not aware of this, thank you for clarifying!
posted on 15/3/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Old melted welly face getting angry and doing what top tories do, lie at the despatch box.
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I thought Lisa Nandy was excellent opposite him. Spoke on practicalities and highlighted the shameless attempts by the Conservative government to claim credit for their “DIY asylum” scheme which has not been properly funded, which has not had proper engagement from councils or charities. They dithered and dallied for weeks while Europe got on with it, and with all that dithering and dallying they still have a poorly thought out system.
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Certainly problems on the asylum front from H.O and govt, in contrast to British public wanting to bring refugees in to their own homes.
Boris is quite popular in Ukraine and receives plaudits for supplying weapons to their armed forces, so UK did better on that front.
I noticed while reading about Abbott and Corbyn on nato and western expansion causing the friction with Putin, their line and that of the far left as Rosso, crouchy and black hawk agreed, that Sturgeon was under pressure for sharing power with anti-Nato Green party in Scotland.
What is your take on the Green party NATO stance in Scotland and among the Corbynista faction?
I also note Ireland remains neutral in this, according to Irish PM on BBC Sunday morning, and will not answer Zelensky and Ukraine calls for arms to take on Putin.
Is it time for Ireland to ditch neutrality in face of the Putin threat?
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Spinny McSpinface has nothing to add about another Tory lying at the despatch box, the Hostile Environment was born under conservative Home Sec Theresa May.
But but but popularity in Ukraine, Corbyn/Abbot and the Republic of Ireland, tbab bingo HOUSE!
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/16/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices
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"What we are proposing here will, I think, flush illegal migrants out. We are trying to create a much more HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT in this country if you are here illegally," said Mr Byrne. "We have to make Britain much less of an attractive place if you are going to come here and break the rules.
I capitalised it for you Hector
posted on 15/3/22
"We are trying to create a much more hostile environment in this country if you are here illegally"
Theresa May
posted on 15/3/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
Hi TBAB,
Hope all is well. Just to confirm, Micheal Martin (BBC politics) stated they were *only militarily neutral* as they are not part of NATO. But have given humanitarian aid etc as well as signing up for the EU refugee resettlement scheme.
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Ah they’re not in NATO? I was not aware of this, thank you for clarifying!
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Yeah, although understand they are part of a NATO partnership for peace programme which focuses on humanitarian aid etc.
posted on 15/3/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 57 seconds ago
"We are trying to create a much more hostile environment in this country if you are here illegally"
Theresa May
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office_hostile_environment_policy
“Although the origins of the policy were first set out in the announcement of a government consultation document by Labour immigration minister Liam Byrne in May 2007, the Home Office policy was first announced in 2012 under the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition.”
So it was never Labour enacted policy, but there was a consultation document under Labour. It was Conservative enacted policy.
posted on 15/3/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 57 seconds ago
"We are trying to create a much more hostile environment in this country if you are here illegally"
Theresa May
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office_hostile_environment_policy
“Although the origins of the policy were first set out in the announcement of a government consultation document by Labour immigration minister Liam Byrne in May 2007, the Home Office policy was first announced in 2012 under the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition.”
So it was never Labour enacted policy, but there was a consultation document under Labour. It was Conservative enacted policy.
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Did gove say enacted? No
He said invented which I think is pretty clear from Liam in 2007 that it was.
posted on 15/3/22
Oh yeah it was Labour also….
That was all that Gove was saying and he was absolutely right to do so.
posted on 15/3/22
Invented a phrase perhaps, Invented a policy, that on May. Go Home van's ffs!
posted on 15/3/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
Invented a phrase perhaps, Invented a policy, that on May. Go Home van's ffs!
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"What we are proposing here will, I think, flush illegal migrants out. We are trying to create a much more HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT in this country if you are here illegally," said Mr Byrne. "We have to make Britain much less of an attractive place if you are going to come here and break the rules.
posted on 15/3/22
A pilot scheme launched yesterday provides a telephone helpline for employers, with staff from the Identity and Passport Service and the Borders and Immigration Agency to help companies check on the immigration status of their staff.
posted on 15/3/22
Mr Byrne said the decision to issue identity cards for foreign nationals resident in Britain from next year would enable employers to be sure they were employing people legally. "We will insist that businesses do the right checks. It is not acceptable anymore to breaks the rules and turn a blind eye," he said.
posted on 15/3/22
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour
V respected Iranian reporter here saying UK has paid its £400m debt to Iran and UK Iranian dual nationals Nazanin Zaghari Ratcliffe and Anoosheh Ashoori will be released.
good news
posted on 15/3/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
Invented a phrase perhaps, Invented a policy, that on May. Go Home van's ffs!
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"What we are proposing here will, I think, flush illegal migrants out. We are trying to create a much more HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT in this country if you are here illegally," said Mr Byrne. "We have to make Britain much less of an attractive place if you are going to come here and break the rules.
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Satters you’re floundering here a bit pal 😂😂😂
It was a CONSULTATION DOCUMENT. It was NEVER official Labour Party policy. It was NEVER enacted on. Even the guardian article you link to notes that it was due to be launched in 2008, but we know it wasn’t.
Do you even have the consultation document to point out where it references “hostile immigration”? Or is it just one word one minor minister said? I mean, deary me bud I know you like to protect folk like Michael Gove but this is a stretch even for you.
The Hostile Immigration Policy was designed, launched, enacted and embedded by a conservative Home Secretary.
posted on 15/3/22
You really think you're a clever diiick sometimes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office_hostile_environment_policy
Sole bloke said something once but didn't enact policy versus Theresa May who obviously did 🤔
posted on 15/3/22
Tulip Siddiq @TulipSiddiq
I am very pleased to say that Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has been given her British passport back.
She is still at her family home in Tehran. I also understand that there is a British negotiating team in Tehran right now.
I will keep posting updates as I get them.
#FreeNazanin
huge development
posted on 15/3/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
Invented a phrase perhaps, Invented a policy, that on May. Go Home van's ffs!
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"What we are proposing here will, I think, flush illegal migrants out. We are trying to create a much more HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT in this country if you are here illegally," said Mr Byrne. "We have to make Britain much less of an attractive place if you are going to come here and break the rules.
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Satters you’re floundering here a bit pal 😂😂😂
It was a CONSULTATION DOCUMENT. It was NEVER official Labour Party policy. It was NEVER enacted on. Even the guardian article you link to notes that it was due to be launched in 2008, but we know it wasn’t.
Do you even have the consultation document to point out where it references “hostile immigration”? Or is it just one word one minor minister said? I mean, deary me bud I know you like to protect folk like Michael Gove but this is a stretch even for you.
The Hostile Immigration Policy was designed, launched, enacted and embedded by a conservative Home Secretary.
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Aye a total gotcha that doesn't reflect real world events
posted on 15/3/22
comment by Harry Ambrose (U11781)
posted 29 seconds ago
Tulip Siddiq @TulipSiddiq
I am very pleased to say that Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has been given her British passport back.
She is still at her family home in Tehran. I also understand that there is a British negotiating team in Tehran right now.
I will keep posting updates as I get them.
#FreeNazanin
huge development
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That is genuinely tremendous news if that is the case!!! No idea why it took the Conservative government so long to resolve this (although I have strong suspicions) it is a genuine good news story 👍
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